What is wrong with the ATS membership right now ? !!, page 11

reply to post by rexusdiablos

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"TRUST ME! THE INTERNET AS YOU KNOW IT WILL NOT BE AROUND WHEN THINGS BEGIN TO GET A LITTLE MORE CRITICAL TOWARDS THE END OF NEXT YEAR!"

If so, and I agree this is the goal...this is why cass sunstein was selected for the role; if this is so, I put forth that the thread starter is attempting to point out this fact, as well as stop the trend. He is not shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre. He/she is shouting fire in a mossad/cia controlled world, and they should be forcibly made to stand down.

The net is the first and last defense against them, and for anyone to allow them to change anything for their advantage is inconceivable. Is it not enough that they monitor every computer click, every phone call, every brainwave that they can access?

You have NO IDEA what tools they are now employing toward their goal of world control.

For them to DARE to attempt to place the burden of proof or justification of thought on the blogger when they have a gleaming lie-making machine in every house in the world chattering like a meth-fueled monkey, turning on a dime and guessing we won't notice, means they deserve to be met with nothing less than Godly force, set to destroy!

Trust you on this? You are assimilating, and will finally contort yourself to role of hangman. Not for me. No thanks. I am happy you found work, however.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by davidmann]

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

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1. Presenting of orthodox opinions is perfectly fine. It's when they're presented as fact that we have a problem. The site's line is 'deny ignorance', and yet if we don't say anything, we're encouraging it.

You mean unorthodox, right? And I concur, opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Some people are not very honest with their presentation and indeed that becomes a problem sometimes.

Originally posted by davesidious
2. If someone's opinion is not based in fact, or arrived at by critical thinking, then that should be brought up, as a service to the person holding the opinion at least. Again, we have to deny ignorance, not foster it.

I agree but who is going to seperate opinions from facts? I think it is up to each reader to make up their own minds rather than have a supposed authority dictate it.

Originally posted by davesidious
3. No, they don't. I've yet to see a conspiracy theory of any kind discussed on ATS that actually had any basis in real life. Not one. If you want to show me one, please go ahead. I'll be right here.

Maybe you are a new member? I cannot believe you would make such an ignorant response otherwise. I mean really, that is pathetic by any standard........

Originally posted by davesidious
4. Nope - if anyone participates on ATS, they have a moral duty to keep the signal-to-noise ratio on the site as great as possible, otherwise the site will degrade into separate chatrooms where people are free to make up any reality they want. It will cease being Above Top Secret, but Above Top Sanity.

I agree! Some people try harder than others.

Originally posted by davesidious
5. Why? The site promises critical analysis of evidence and claims. Why should people just give in to the fruitcakes and let them run riot, claiming chemtrails and the such are real? If people can't stand having their hypotheses criticised, they should keep them to themselves. Nothing is learned by shielding a hypothesis from critical analysis.

Well some hypothesis are not easily testable due to a lack of evidence.

The lack of evidence itself may signify a conspiracy. Normally a conspiracy means things are done in the backroom with near absolute secrecy so finding evidence is like chasing ghosts...hit or miss!

reply to post by Teki187

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My response was not directed entirely upon you. It was partially directed at you because you fit many of characteristics described in my earlier post. With hindsight I should have made a general reply rather than a direct reply.

Please accept my apology!

Originally posted by thesneakiod


Excellent post. I agree 100% I see nothing wrong with ridiculing someone (as long as its in the T&Cs) if they post a pointless thread, mainly all the moon rock threads.

From the T & C

2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

I could be wrong, but I assume that purposefully ridiculing someone that you disagree with can be considered a violation of the T & C. Ridiculing is abusive and can be seen as attacking someone for their personal beliefs.

It's possible to disagree with someone without having to also belittle them in the process.

You said in an earlier post to the OP (I believe it's on the first page? I believe it was you) that you were sick of threads like these, told the OP that the simple solution was to not enter them, yet you chose to come into a thread with a topic that annoys you just so you could ridicule the OP.

This may be brash, but intentions like these degrade the integrity of this site which has such strict T & C and heavy moderation for a reason. That reason is so that people can freely and openly discuss and debate theories and ideas that are not mainstream, some can be considered fringe. However, it's also a place for people to disagree with those theories and the T & C is there to keep the discussion from descending into chaos (which is likely to happen without the proper conditions set in place when people disagree with eachother), which they often do as of late, so that it's not a hostile environment and so that people WANT to come here.

I hate that I lately have to brace myself when I decide to enter the world of ATS. I used to get excited at learning new information. I still come here for that, but instead of excitement it's more like a reservation I have. I can't help but wonder when I enter into a thread, whose calling who what and which wayward direction the discussion has gone (that is most clearly not the one it was intended for).

What happens as this goes on is that those who actually have intelligent content, theories, ideas to contribute/debate wind up staying away from ATS completely so that what happens is it turns into a forum like so many other forums that are empty shells in which meaningless banter takes place and real fringe lunatics like to loiter in. The forums that seem more like a YouTube comments section.

reply to post by nunya13

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I think you missed my point. I, like many others here have been abusive towards other members to a certain degree. And when I say abusive I mean attacking their subject opinions, not their personality. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

As stated in an earlier post, the moon rock threads are a perfect example. While one person sees moon bases another sees just rocks. Aren't we allowed to pour scorn on something we personally believe to be untrue? Can't we show a controlled burst of ridicule towards that poster if we think they are stretching their imaginations a tad to far?

And yes I appreciate the irony of me posting in a thread that I don't agree with, but these type of threads are the exact opposite of what ATS is all about. Namely freedom of speech.

[edit on Monday20092009-12-14T15:16:20-06:00pm3116200912 by thesneakiod]

reply to post by LSDomino

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Thats what i feel if you want to make sensationalist claims then write a novel. The only reason i joined this sight was to have a place that was grounded to discuss theorys that are already fighting just to hold clout. When a fellow atser rights of the reptilian uprising and we give it clout by not calling them out then what is the point of searching for truth. How will any real conspiracy be unfirled if we do not even attempt factual reporting.
If the local news anchor went on tv and claimed imenet alien invasion cause they had a dream. Would you beleive them? and if you choose yes then you might as well beleive all the other lies the media and govrnment spews. While i admit its nice to have the freedom to ride the fringe to do so irresponsibly is nothing more then lieing. Why create fantastic lies when there is so much fantastic truth to be found.

reply to post by thesneakiod

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If you think they are stretching their imagination, it's okay to tell them. It's another to ridicule them.

Here's the thing I've come to realize about ATS and free speech. It technically does not exist. Just like there's no free speech in my house when a visitor wants to call me names (hasn't happened yet thankfully ), I'm a visitor to ATS which is owned by someone who has set the rules of engagement.

I mean, if you came into my house and started berating me and I threw you out would you claim I was suppressing your free speech?

This isn't a public area. It's a private forum that we have been granted access to. The owner's can unfortunately kick any one of us out whenever they want.

And just to be clear (in case you weren't sure) I wasn't saying you shouldn't be in this thread if you don't like the subject matter; rather, as you noticed, I was just pointing out the irony.

edit: typo

[edit on 14-12-2009 by nunya13]

reply to post by nunya13

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Insulting people and berating them isnt a form of free speech, it's just being abusive, especially if there's no reason for the outburst.

What I meant is that it's (IMO) OK to tell someone very strongly that you believe they are wrong. And in most cases, instead of letting it roll off them, the recipient complains that they are getting abusive treatment.

What im trying to say is that I personally think that some members here need stonger backbones.

reply to post by thesneakiod

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You're essentially saying that people should roll over and take the abuse. THAT shows lack of backbone. Most people don't like being treated poorly and will stand up for themselves when they are.

reply to post by mantisfan72

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It's not debate people take issue with. It's the way those that disagree with them do so that people are getting tired of.

This goes for both sides.

Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by thesneakiod

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You're essentially saying that people should roll over and take the abuse. THAT shows lack of backbone. Most people don't like being treated poorly and will stand up for themselves when they are.

Maybe not in the real world no. But in the virtual world, you are essentially being abused by a computer. Its hardly an infringement on your life. If you think it is (i don't necessarily mean you) you should get out more.

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