Mysteries and secrets have been around since the beginning of time, if we had the experts at ATS there when the questions were first asked, they would
have been defused within a day. No more mystery of the pyramids etc, there have been many OPINIONS on these mysteries, by some of the greatest minds
on Earth over the years, but one personal opinion does not solve a mystery, NO-ONE knows it ALL and can spout off a solution instantly, only a Spin
Doctor.
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reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 01:01 PM by silent thunder
Let's see here...
) Attention spans continued to be shattered by a general blitz of media overload and lord knows what else (chemicals?).
2) The lingo on the net is becoming similar to Orwell's "Newspeak," an abbreviated form of communication designed to limit thought through reduction of vocabulary. Sound familiar? ("lol rotflmao epic do0d")
3) Screeching and thundering simplistic views is seen as strength, while engaging in nuanced, measureed arguments is seen as a form of weakness ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passsionate intensitiy" -W.B. Yeats)
4) Concurrent with the breakdown in any sense of physical community, people are becoming cranky, arrogant, unable to interact politely, and utterly self-absorbed, both on the streets and on the net.
In other words, TBTB's plans to dumb down the public and shatter any possible resistance are going swimmingly.
[edit on 12/13/09 by silent thunder]
) Attention spans continued to be shattered by a general blitz of media overload and lord knows what else (chemicals?).
2) The lingo on the net is becoming similar to Orwell's "Newspeak," an abbreviated form of communication designed to limit thought through reduction of vocabulary. Sound familiar? ("lol rotflmao epic do0d")
3) Screeching and thundering simplistic views is seen as strength, while engaging in nuanced, measureed arguments is seen as a form of weakness ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passsionate intensitiy" -W.B. Yeats)
4) Concurrent with the breakdown in any sense of physical community, people are becoming cranky, arrogant, unable to interact politely, and utterly self-absorbed, both on the streets and on the net.
In other words, TBTB's plans to dumb down the public and shatter any possible resistance are going swimmingly.
[edit on 12/13/09 by silent thunder]
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 01:34 PM by DGFenrir
reply to post by Dagar
They are loonies if they don't back up their claims with logical explanations.
Then they need to be more specific. And they shouldn't start a new thread for that.
I have pointed their flaws out. They simply ignore it all because it doesn't support the Flying-Spaghettimonster theory.
There's still one member who constantly says that the russians tested their missile over Norway. While in reality it all happened over the White Sea or the Barentsz Sea. Several members have pointed out that the spiral did not appear over Norway. It was seen on the horizon not overhead.
They are loonies if they don't back up their claims with logical explanations.
Then they need to be more specific. And they shouldn't start a new thread for that.
I have pointed their flaws out. They simply ignore it all because it doesn't support the Flying-Spaghettimonster theory.
There's still one member who constantly says that the russians tested their missile over Norway. While in reality it all happened over the White Sea or the Barentsz Sea. Several members have pointed out that the spiral did not appear over Norway. It was seen on the horizon not overhead.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 02:28 PM by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by DGFenrir
We are not talking about the occasional skeptic who needs evidence to be convinced. We are talking about the people who join ats *to argue for the sake of arguing* against any given conspiracy.
We are talking about people with *dishonest intentions*! Yes they are not always easy to spot but people who frequent ATS on a more-or-less frequent basis know them for who they are. I don't know how much proof you need to understand that and singling out people by name is silly and/or pointless.
We are not talking about the occasional skeptic who needs evidence to be convinced. We are talking about the people who join ats *to argue for the sake of arguing* against any given conspiracy.
We are talking about people with *dishonest intentions*! Yes they are not always easy to spot but people who frequent ATS on a more-or-less frequent basis know them for who they are. I don't know how much proof you need to understand that and singling out people by name is silly and/or pointless.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 03:07 PM by captiva
reply to post by DGFenrir
Calling people loonies Im afraid does nothing for your own credibility. Also, pointing out their flaws is not learning anyone, merely creating your own importance. especially if you dont have the evidence to back up your claim that their views are flawed.
Me personally I have yet to see any proof that the spiral in Norway was a missile. I have seen evidence based on probablility but that is not safe evidence.
Respects
Calling people loonies Im afraid does nothing for your own credibility. Also, pointing out their flaws is not learning anyone, merely creating your own importance. especially if you dont have the evidence to back up your claim that their views are flawed.
Me personally I have yet to see any proof that the spiral in Norway was a missile. I have seen evidence based on probablility but that is not safe evidence.
Respects
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 03:42 PM by Demoncreeper
Originally posted by Teeky
reply to post by Demoncreeper
That's not true because people here seem to fond of Phage.
There's a difference between a debunker and using logic to analyze a theory.
[edit on 13-12-2009 by Teeky]
T'is a good statement for sure.
Phage has been called every one of those names and more, though.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 06:24 PM by davesidious
reply to post by Teki187
Some folks here don't want their theories debunked. They cling to them like some kind of life raft. That's why those people attack others who act rationally - rational minds are a dangerous thing when you value irrational thought.
Some folks here don't want their theories debunked. They cling to them like some kind of life raft. That's why those people attack others who act rationally - rational minds are a dangerous thing when you value irrational thought.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:23 PM by Brainiac
reply to post by captiva
Well Captiva, your avatar says it all about the way you think...
You believe things simply because they are presented to you, without formulating a logical possible explanation for "whatever".
Since your mind is already setup to accept whatever is posted that supports your belief it's pointless to try to convince you otherwise...
There's a difference between having an open mind, and having a mind closed to rational thinking...
also hitting the ignore button would suggest that your argument isn't valid enough to debate...
[edit on 12/13/2009 by Brainiac]
Well Captiva, your avatar says it all about the way you think...
You believe things simply because they are presented to you, without formulating a logical possible explanation for "whatever".
Since your mind is already setup to accept whatever is posted that supports your belief it's pointless to try to convince you otherwise...
There's a difference between having an open mind, and having a mind closed to rational thinking...
also hitting the ignore button would suggest that your argument isn't valid enough to debate...
[edit on 12/13/2009 by Brainiac]
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:29 PM by Brainiac
reply to post by crichton13
"however, that does NOT mean that all UFO's ARE hoaxes..."
How do you know that? There is more probability to support that what you see is created by a person, than what your told you are seeing...
Magicians have been doing this since time began, Youtube is just the slight of hand for the 21st century...
"however, that does NOT mean that all UFO's ARE hoaxes..."
How do you know that? There is more probability to support that what you see is created by a person, than what your told you are seeing...
Magicians have been doing this since time began, Youtube is just the slight of hand for the 21st century...
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:33 PM by QtheQ
reply to post by spacebot
I think this is just the sort of post captiva was referring to. While you claim to praise logic, your post did not seem to use much, if any, logic. Rather than present anything resembling a reasoned argument you just seemed to think this was your opportunity to gush about your feelings. I don't think I found a single syllogism in your entire post. I've noticed that same phenomena with many of the most vehement dubunkers; their posts are often not much more than rambling gibberish about feelings of animosity to anyone posting in support of the sort of subjects that this site was created to address.
So here's my syllogism: We are here on ATS for the purpose of searching for knowledge. Epistemologically useless terms such as "idiots", "tin hat wearers", "lunatics", "pseudo-scientist", "quack" etc. only interfere with our quest for knowledge. Therefore those debunkers that engage in ridicule attacks spewing forth epistemologically useless terms are interfering with the reason why members are on on this site in the first place.
Dear friend..
Are you kidding yourself?
People got bored! I really admire those people courage. The ones that try to use some leveled thought, some logic for a change.
Look around you!
This site is becoming another Godlikeproductions-dot-com
Like how many of those do we really need?
What happened to reasonable thinking? Ok this is a conspiracy site but then again SO WHAT? Should the conspiracy realm be handed out to the complete idiots?
Should we surrender everything to the stupidity and become a NEW DARK AGE?
Concerning the Norway Spiral issue. Why everything has to be the end of the world, Nibiru, 2012, the aliens that are coming to eat us etc etc??
I understand that Christmas are coming and once more, like every year the last decade, we simply MUST have a flavor of the recent gloom and doom about the end of the world. I mean ,we MUST?! Like everyone should be forced feed to this!?
Should we interpret everything out of the ordinary like being an end of the world sign? Should common sense be banished? Should logic be thrown out of the window?
Well I say enough! Enough with the crap.
Go debunkers!
I think this is just the sort of post captiva was referring to. While you claim to praise logic, your post did not seem to use much, if any, logic. Rather than present anything resembling a reasoned argument you just seemed to think this was your opportunity to gush about your feelings. I don't think I found a single syllogism in your entire post. I've noticed that same phenomena with many of the most vehement dubunkers; their posts are often not much more than rambling gibberish about feelings of animosity to anyone posting in support of the sort of subjects that this site was created to address.
So here's my syllogism: We are here on ATS for the purpose of searching for knowledge. Epistemologically useless terms such as "idiots", "tin hat wearers", "lunatics", "pseudo-scientist", "quack" etc. only interfere with our quest for knowledge. Therefore those debunkers that engage in ridicule attacks spewing forth epistemologically useless terms are interfering with the reason why members are on on this site in the first place.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:40 PM by Brainiac
reply to post by spacebot
and that's why you have people like me here...
I'm a skeptic
I'm not going to state that a "video" i watch is an Alien space craft!
-The first thing I'm going to think is, hmm something flying in the air on Earth, with lights...
You know we've been flying things in the air since 1908 or so, and we've been putting lights on things in the air as far as we've had the ability...
Now you show me a video of a flying object from say 1930 displaying some non-ballistic movements and i'd still be skeptical, but i'd be one step closer to interest in it, than something made with the technical wizardry software available today...
There are even people capable of building and flying their own Model Jet Engines... Now with this much engineering ability in the hands of your common person, do you really put belief in what you watch on Youtube??? 
and that's why you have people like me here...
I'm a skeptic
I'm not going to state that a "video" i watch is an Alien space craft!
-The first thing I'm going to think is, hmm something flying in the air on Earth, with lights...
You know we've been flying things in the air since 1908 or so, and we've been putting lights on things in the air as far as we've had the ability...
Now you show me a video of a flying object from say 1930 displaying some non-ballistic movements and i'd still be skeptical, but i'd be one step closer to interest in it, than something made with the technical wizardry software available today...
There are even people capable of building and flying their own Model Jet Engines... Now with this much engineering ability in the hands of your common person, do you really put belief in what you watch on Youtube???
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 08:07 PM by QtheQ
reply to post by captiva
I frequent some other forums but never see the sort of fanatical hostility that seems to be occurring increasingly on this site. The forums I do visit and where civility is the norm are both diy sites; one about repairing the particular make of car I own and the other about my hobby of building your own loudspeakers. Well it occurred to me that the powers that be probably have no vested interest in whether the prevailing belief is that my car wont start because of bad ignition module or fuel injector. The ruling elite probably don't care either whether horn loaded or direct radiator loudspeakers are more popular. As a result there's no need to send paid trolls to lambaste and ridicule someone just because a member is suggesting an unorthodox loudspeaker design; 'they', whoever 'they' are, don't care because it doesn't effect their master plans and it doesn't reveal their secrets. Here on ATS we are probably revealing secrets that the ruling elite do not want us plebeians to posses as that would threaten their power and sense of superiority over us, the great unwashed.
I frequent some other forums but never see the sort of fanatical hostility that seems to be occurring increasingly on this site. The forums I do visit and where civility is the norm are both diy sites; one about repairing the particular make of car I own and the other about my hobby of building your own loudspeakers. Well it occurred to me that the powers that be probably have no vested interest in whether the prevailing belief is that my car wont start because of bad ignition module or fuel injector. The ruling elite probably don't care either whether horn loaded or direct radiator loudspeakers are more popular. As a result there's no need to send paid trolls to lambaste and ridicule someone just because a member is suggesting an unorthodox loudspeaker design; 'they', whoever 'they' are, don't care because it doesn't effect their master plans and it doesn't reveal their secrets. Here on ATS we are probably revealing secrets that the ruling elite do not want us plebeians to posses as that would threaten their power and sense of superiority over us, the great unwashed.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 08:12 PM by davesidious
reply to post by QtheQ
I doubt you get many people in your DIY forum saying they can stick breeze blocks to walls using their mind, or that they made speakers out of alien legs. That's the kind of irrational behaviour and beliefs we have to deal with here, and so you can imagine when people call these folks out on their beliefs, tempers get a little heated.
The number of plainly irrational folks on this board is simply staggering. They believe without evidence first, then expect others to show evidence as to why their beliefs are wrong. They elevate hypotheses to the level of laws, and attack people criticising their lack of rational thought.
ATS is frequently a powder keg waiting to go off. The latest Norway missile test is a great example of that. Lots of evidence showing how it is was a failed missile launch, yet folks still insist on believing it to be something else, even when all the evidence is right in front of their faces.
I doubt you get many people in your DIY forum saying they can stick breeze blocks to walls using their mind, or that they made speakers out of alien legs. That's the kind of irrational behaviour and beliefs we have to deal with here, and so you can imagine when people call these folks out on their beliefs, tempers get a little heated.
The number of plainly irrational folks on this board is simply staggering. They believe without evidence first, then expect others to show evidence as to why their beliefs are wrong. They elevate hypotheses to the level of laws, and attack people criticising their lack of rational thought.
ATS is frequently a powder keg waiting to go off. The latest Norway missile test is a great example of that. Lots of evidence showing how it is was a failed missile launch, yet folks still insist on believing it to be something else, even when all the evidence is right in front of their faces.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 08:24 PM by Muckster
Originally posted by silent thunder
Let's see here...
) Attention spans continued to be shattered by a general blitz of media overload and lord knows what else (chemicals?).
2) The lingo on the net is becoming similar to Orwell's "Newspeak," an abbreviated form of communication designed to limit thought through reduction of vocabulary. Sound familiar? ("lol rotflmao epic do0d")
3) Screeching and thundering simplistic views is seen as strength, while engaging in nuanced, measureed arguments is seen as a form of weakness ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passsionate intensitiy" -W.B. Yeats)
4) Concurrent with the breakdown in any sense of physical community, people are becoming cranky, arrogant, unable to interact politely, and utterly self-absorbed, both on the streets and on the net.
In other words, TBTB's plans to dumb down the public and shatter any possible resistance are going swimmingly.
[edit on 12/13/09 by silent thunder]
Excellent excellent excellent...
Glad to see you still hitting that nail firmly on the head
TPTB are dumbing us down... and what a great job of it they are doing!!
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