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Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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reply to post by DGFenrir
 


HAARP works by emitting millions of watts of HF radio waves into the
atmosphere. (Some folks say that it can also emit ULF waves into the earth.)

I personally don't know what HAARP is capable of. But of course I AM a
rocket scientist (I once taped two bottle rockets to a fire-cracker), AND NOT
an auroral phenomenon theoreologist.

Hmmmm, I wonder if thats how you spell theoreologist?




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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Okay.. It's HAARP then. Case closed.. Not!


How does that emitted power create a spiral? Your current explanation isn't sufficient.
Did you choose HAARP as an explanation because you'd liek it to be an extraordinary event or do you really believe that it's HAARP/EISCAT/HIPAS/Sura?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by anti72
 


The huge literally perfect spirals on a few photos were a result of the camera's settings when taking the picture. (Shutter speed/Exposure time)

[edit on 12/12/2009 by DGFenrir]


well that was my first thought. are there any detailed infos of the taken photos available?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by anti72

Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by anti72
 


The huge literally perfect spirals on a few photos were a result of the camera's settings when taking the picture. (Shutter speed/Exposure time)

[edit on 12/12/2009 by DGFenrir]


well that was my first thought. are there any detailed infos of the taken photos available?



So how does longer exposure make the spiral more perfect?

I thought longer exposure makes shapes more blurry and less perfect.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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There has been a lot of talking about this stuff.
More than one footage.
It looks kinda like we have been in kindergarden all along you know.
Sure its interesting.
I do not thing thats rocket launching.
that would be grasping stupidity.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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2 Timothy 3

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

OH, i left out number 6.

6. Believers in rubbish stories conveyed on ATS



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf 




Did you watch this video...

I think that the people who dont think its a rocket to watch it!

I used to think otherwise till I saw this video!



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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:...How does that emitted power create a spiral? Your current explanation
isn't sufficient. Did you choose HAARP as an explanation because you'd like
it to be an extraordinary event or do you really believe that it's
HAARP/EISCAT/HIPAS/Sura? ..."


You sir, are very inquisitive, indeed.

First, this a conspiracy website. Official explanations are questioned here.
Especially ones wherein there seems to be a gap between ~what is
plausible~ and what is reported in the MSM.

The gap here IMHYVFSO (myhumbleyetveryfirmlystated) in quite wide.

A: I don't know anything more about HAARP than your average layman,
I do however believe that HAARP (or similar technology) would be an
ORDINARY explanation, given the evidence...A rocket, IMHYVFSO, would
be EXTRA-ordinary.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Hongkongphooey
reply to post by Phage
 
So where is the Rocket or at least the debris? Initially the Russians denied that they had any rockets tests on that day and then changed their tune, why? Where is the radar evidence btw? Rockets may swirl, I admit, they also have fuel burning out of the bottom, but they certainly do not, in any way, project a light from or to the ground (behind the mountain)! So what is it, if it's not a rocket? You want everything to fit into your tidy little box mind when sometimes questions just cannot be answered at this stage! Maybe it was just swamp gas or the planet venus which has been described previously to play tricks on peoples mind by appearing to change colour, spin, fly across the night sky at various altitudes, change shape and appear to be metalic or tri-angular structured craft, even to sober wide awake people!



[edit on 11-12-2009 by Hongkongphooey]





Sweet jumping jellyfish wearing sparkly red clogs ... now, I don't drink but if I saw Venus performing tricks like that in the sky ... well, I might just have to start.


Woody



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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100.000 rockets in 10seconds
)

check out how many of the rocket start spinning what would cause a spiral to accure in stratosphere.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by chriskeptik]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Point of No Return

Originally posted by anti72

Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by anti72
 


The huge literally perfect spirals on a few photos were a result of the camera's settings when taking the picture. (Shutter speed/Exposure time)

[edit on 12/12/2009 by DGFenrir]


well that was my first thought. are there any detailed infos of the taken photos available?



So how does longer exposure make the spiral more perfect?

I thought longer exposure makes shapes more blurry and less perfect.


That all depends on how steady the camera is, these spiral shots have all been taken with the use of a tripod and are as steady as a rock. A long shutter speed with the camera held in the hand will produce blurry images because the camera itself is moving. With a tripod only the actual movement of the object is recorded and because the movement is being burned onto the sensor constantly throughout the exposure the layers build up and become smooth and less angular, this covers up small irregularities and makes shapes appear more exact than they are.

A good example is running water, with a fast shutter speed all the individual drops and splashes stand out and look chaotic but with a longer shutter speed the water appears smooth and uniform.

Example here

Also a good way of demonstrating it is light trails from cars/planes/trains anything really, by using a slow shutter speed you end up with seconds of time burned onto one image and the result is something that looks nothing like it would to the naked eye.

Here's an example of an aeroplane taken with a long exposure:

Plane

When you imagine how far removed that looks from how the plane does in real life it's easier to understand how these photos are not accurately showing what happened at any given time.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Those pics still look the same in the outlining, only a bit blurrier.

I can't imagine this effect making a messy spiral perfect.

Besides, your example is the wrong way around.

Also there are lots of vids that show the same perfect spiral, so your explanation makes no sense at all.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by Point of No Return]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by fatdeeman
 


Those pics still look the same in the outlining, only a bit blurrier.

I can't imagine this effect making a messy spiral perfect.

Besides, your example is the wrong way around.

Also there are lots of vids that show the same perfect spiral, so your explanation makes no sense at all.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by Point of No Return]


Find me a video of the spiral where it looks as big and perfect as it does in the photos!

It's not even open to dispute, it's a fact, the spiral you see in the videos is smaller and less precise, but in the photos the long shutter speed has smoothed it out and made it look larger than it is by capturing several seconds or even minutes of it's lifespan into a single image that can be taken in instantaneously.

The photos are in no way an accurate depiction of what was seen by people with the naked eye.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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What was the status on the LHC that time and that day? need to know



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf 

Originally posted by Wolf 




Did you watch this video...

I think that the people who dont think its a rocket to watch it!

I used to think otherwise till I saw this video!




Who took these photos? Are these from a cell phone? Can we have an update 116 pages in? They look photoshopped to me, are there anymore photographs?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Scroll down to CNN Moscow video

Google Video Results for Norway Spiral

^
If someone can imbed the CBS video, has great footage, amazing.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by game over man]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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If it's too good to be true than it can't be. A failed rocket would indeed go zig zag in a random direction.


what was the status of the LHC that day? and time



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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I think the video that Wolf posted clearly shows a perfect spiral, maybe not as clear as in the picture you are talking about, but from the moving image you can still see the spiral is too perfect.

I still don't see how overexposure makes the spiral look bigger.

Btw, I'm not saying the pic isn't overexposed, just that the overexposure isn't the reason that the spiral looks perfect.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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I just posted this on ChemBreathers thread:


1. The most probable explanation is a rocket.

2. That being said, this is like no rocket that has ever been seen.

3. A similar phenomenon has been discovered 20 years ago in China, although the spiral is less 'clean'. Please only address the footage, not the man presenting it.



4. This could be evidence for it being a rocket, it could be evidence for something else.

5. This video appears to correctly model the envisioned trajectory pattern for the rocket theory:



However, this video does not address the assumption that the rocket has TWO sources of particle/phenomena emission. I mean, why would a rocket be creating two phenomena? I can see fuel out the back, but why would a conventional rocket be spewing something from the front? Is that equivalent to the front of the rocket disturbing the atmosphere on re-entry? What is creating the HUGE grayish spiral in the most popular pictures? Is this particles in space, and why would the front of the rocket be emitting these?

6. This was also posted on this thread(kudos to those responsible for bringing this information to light: pixanomaly, genius/idiot, Blaine91555) and I think this is where the heart of the research should be spent:
Superconductor forcefield to shield re-entering spacecraft?

Magnetic heat shield test could use Russian launcher




This, I think, would easily account for the phenomenon that is seen in the sky over Norway.

1. The rocket then has a reason for creating a spiraling phenomenon from the FRONT of the device. A typical rocket, I think in most peoples minds(who are not rocket 'buffs') would have no reason for creating the spiral disturbance near perfection.

2. This magnetic technology would explain why there is little distortion of the spiral. Smoke is subject to wind and other disturbances. A magnetic field is more likely to stay in structure through atmospheric disturbances, for example light travels through air perfectly. Electromagnetic waves are not so much subject to air disturbances.

3. I believe the Norway Spiral was probably a test of a highly-technical new breed of rockets. Perhaps not so new, given the footage from China. Or maybe not new because I am not a rocket expert.

4. The question we are now left with(and I think much more important) is WHY?

Perhaps it is to get us to look up more...



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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It isn't so much,how the spiral was created but how it goes away


[edit on 12-12-2009 by genius/idoit]

[edit on 12-12-2009 by genius/idoit]



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