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Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by fatdeeman
Well I think Jim is one of the few people to believe it is a missile but ISN'T a failure so I don't know why you're acting like that.


I got the impression that Jim believes this missile may have how shall we say.... classified abilities.


Correct. Let me dig out earlier -- decades earlier -- eyewitness accoun ts of spirals -- and compare them. Of course these pictures are the best ever -- because people are getting better and better cameras.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions while some issues remain open, about the nature of the spiral. The association of the apparition with the missile flight is very strong. The explanation of any possible secondary activities, with what was seen, remains open.

If it is connected with countermeasures to future US anti-missile weapons, it rises to the highest levels of national security.

As an example in this country, it seems that similar-purpose hardware malfunctions in an Atlas launch back in the 1960s led to the 'Big Sur' UFO story by Jacobs. His account always seemed sincere and straightforward, but his interpretation may have been totally out of whack.

We're revisiting the same technology development, and the same out-of-whack-iness, all over again here.




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by digifanatic

Originally posted by Jordan River
I have some alternative theory on this dilemma.

Heres the first LHC DOORWAY IN/OUT

The LHC compiled it's strongest round that night LHC POWER OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!

how do u get youtube video numbers?


[edit on 12-12-2009 by Jordan River]


Good theory...my question that stems from this is: If this happened as a result of a 2 TeV run, then what will happen when they do the 7 TeV runs?? Link


7 is a sacred number as well. we all know.

I wanted to tell you all as well that Hell is closer than Heaven. I hope we can see this through our negative world/war/drama/sickness/etc/etc.

I also want to know if they are using dark energy/mass within this theory of the LHC. does the LHC minipulate dark energy at all?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Russians are now saying that there is no connection between the spiral, and the failed rocket launch.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Blender
Russians are now saying that there is no connection between the spiral, and the failed rocket launch.


truly? source?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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some possibilities



#1) Spiral Over China
www.disclose.tv...

#2) Spiral UFO Coming Out of Wormhole or Hyperspace? Tomsk Russia (Note: Several
Trails Open)
www.youtube.com...

#3) UFO Leaving Wormhole Amazing Footage
www.youtube.com...\
ndex=42&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

#4) UFO Sighting In Yosemite Park Near Area 51
www.youtube.com...

#5) Wormhole UFO in Vandenburg Air Force Base
www.youtube.com...

#6) UFO Entering Wormhole?
www.youtube.com...

#7) www.carnicom.com...


[edit on 12-12-2009 by spinkyboo]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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double post

2nd line

[edit on 12-12-2009 by game over man]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by Blender
Russians are now saying that there is no connection between the spiral, and the failed rocket launch.


truly? source?



Yes I want to hear more about this.


Best footage I've seen yet:

Best footage of Norway Spiral 50 sec approx

Website (dailymail UK) from where I got the video from. Larger video player for the same clip here, (scroll down).



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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could it be the HAARP project?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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reply to post by stevoren
 


Sure it could. They probably saw Jessie Ventura's show and decided to give us a show as long as the truth was out, anyway.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Great footage. I didn't realize how much it seems like that blackness pushes out the grey. And I have been trying to figure out if the 'rocket' was supposedly in space, or in the atmosphere. In this vid it is so hard to tell, but it seems like it is still in the up arc.

Also, if the 'missile' wasn't traveling directly towards the cameras, how do we see the spiral head on?

Or was it?



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Blender
Russians are now saying that there is no connection between the spiral, and the failed rocket launch.


The quality of documentation by numerous posters in this discussion -- all contributing to advancing our common understanding of this puzzle -- ought to have taught you that without a verifiable link, a comment such as your is useless.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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This thread has advanced so quickly, I forget to thank the poster who tracked down the IR cloud cover images and posted them a day or two ago -- excellent work, extremely valuable in understanding what downrange eyewitness reports to expect, or not expect. Well done!!! The quality of useful contributions from so MANY different participants is breathtaking in its power. Gosh, I hope this thread sets standards we can aspire to on other controversies.

THANK YOU to everyone who has contributed.

As for imaginative suggestions, they too ARE VALUABLE and are APPRECIATED. It may be premature to argue for ANY particular theory but that's understandable. But jumping too soon to ANY interpretation is a formula for inadvertent evidence editing and manipulation, during the phase we should be voraciously searching for raw perceptions and reports. But raising the explanatory possibilities as soon as they are imagined has the value that we think about the kinds of criteria needed to differentiate among the theories, and often that evidence is horribly ephemeral -- if we don't look for it within a few hours or days of an event, we'll NEVER be able to obtain it later.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by beebs
reply to post by game over man
 


Great footage. I didn't realize how much it seems like that blackness pushes out the grey. And I have been trying to figure out if the 'rocket' was supposedly in space, or in the atmosphere. In this vid it is so hard to tell, but it seems like it is still in the up arc.

Also, if the 'missile' wasn't traveling directly towards the cameras, how do we see the spiral head on?

Or was it?


It does indeed LOOK LIKE the blackness is pushing. But observe the behavior of spewed spiral arcs carefully. They move out from the center at a set rate, and when the center abruptly STOPS emitting white stuff, the already-spewed out stuff continues to retreat and fade exactly as before.

The sudden cutoff of 'white stuff' from the 'missile' (or whatever) strikes me as an argument that the original feed was under positive control, not an accident that might create a feed that would tail off at the end. The spiral-formation feed did NOT tail off, it just abruptly and totally STOPPED.

What that mean still is a mystery to me.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by fatdeeman
Let me try to clarify what I'm saying lol

I'm not saying the spiral didn't span that far or wasn't that big, I'm just saying how it appears in the photos is not the same as how it would have appeared to people watching.

To people watching it would not have had as many rings at any one time and it would not have appeared to cover so much sky.

The photos also do not convey how long the spiral lasted.


In this thread theirs a person whom have witnessed the event. He claims 15minutes which is not what the report said. i heard 2-10minutes (reports) and this man said 15 minutes


The spiral lasted 1-2 minutes, the purple stuff could been seen drifting along the sky for about 15minutes. Looking like ordinary smoke, just purple.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:53 AM
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via: dynamite.eiscat.uit.no...


via: dynamite.eiscat.uit.no...


Has someone a good explanation for this data?

My theory: The Russian missile test was intercepted by means of a focused energy beam sent out from Norway's EISCAT atmospheric heating facility... just a theory though



*the right part of the images is cut off here, open them in a new window to see everything

also notice some of the interesting titles in EISCAT puplications, such as:
www.eiscat.uit.no...

Blagoveshchenskaya, N. F., T.D. Borisova, V. A. Kornienko, T. B. Leyser, M.T. Rietveld, and B. Thide, Artificial Field-Aligned Irregularities in the Nightside Auroral Ionosphere, (in press) Adv. Space Res., 2006

Holma, H., K.U. Kaila, M.J. Kosch and M.T. Rietveld, Recognizing the blue emission in artificial aurora, (in press) Adv. Space Res., 2006

B. Gustavsson, T. B. Leyser, M. Kosch, M. T. Rietveld, A. Steen, B. U. E. Brandstrom, and T. Aso, Electron gyroharmonic effects in ionization and electron acceleration during HF pumping in the ionosphere, Phys. Res. Lett.


Just throwing things in here that i stumble upon and find interesting...
I don't claim to have any definite answers to the phenomena, but an involvement of this EISCAT facility to me doesn't seem too far fetched either...

[edit on 13-12-2009 by feuerziege]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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The blue line emitting from the spiral is Cherenkov Radiation.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by JimOberg

The sudden cutoff of 'white stuff' from the 'missile' (or whatever) strikes me as an argument that the original feed was under positive control, not an accident that might create a feed that would tail off at the end. The spiral-formation feed did NOT tail off, it just abruptly and totally STOPPED.

What that mean still is a mystery to me.



I am positive, that this sighting resulted from something fired from the ground. But I am also positive, that it is NOT a failed mission, but an experiment. Is is likely that the spiral and blue light are a result of some kind of electromagnetic field created by the experiment. Very curious event.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Blender
Russians are now saying that there is no connection between the spiral, and the failed rocket launch.


The quality of documentation by numerous posters in this discussion -- all contributing to advancing our common understanding of this puzzle -- ought to have taught you that without a verifiable link, a comment such as your is useless.

I remember reading the Russian missile denial story also, I'll google it again and maybe I can find it.


[edit on 13-12-2009 by TallWhites]

[edit on 13-12-2009 by TallWhites]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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Your, atmosphere distorting theory, would be plausible only if it happened in the lower parts of the atmosphere. The missile's apogee is 1000km. It can carry 6-10 re-entry vehicles. The warheads that it carries make the re-entry.
The missile failed during the third stage which means that it may have already been in the exosphere.

To all saying that it may have been a successful test:
Even if the spiral was intentional then it isn't successful unless it hit the target.

[edit on 13/12/2009 by DGFenrir]

[edit on 13/12/2009 by DGFenrir]



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Can you provide any source or theory to explain how an electromagnetic spiral can form. A magnetic field is usually a "closed" loop between the north and south poles. Spinning a magnet creates a spinning field but I don't really see how a spiral would be formed.

The magnetic heat shield would create a magnetic "bubble" in front of the vehicle which would repel plasma. I don't think the appearance would be any different from a conventional reentry using an ablative heat shield.



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