I'm amazed you would post such a thing and then when called on it wouldn't even try to explain why the numbers don't add up.
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reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 10:13 AM by outrageousfortune
reply to post by Essan
Sorry, I forgot to mention that there are statistics we never get to see. For example, ice accumulation in winter versus meltoff each and every year leaves MORE ice at the poles. The situation that we're spoon-fed all the "truths" they want us to believe isn't exactly new. But it's very easy to read up on the Berhand Eastlund patent of 87 and the fact that if they manage to shield only one percent of solar radiation a new ICE AGE could be in our very near future. Just imagine oil profits from a freezing earth! Earth's albedo has diminished significantly in the last ten years. Remember the three flight-free days after 911? Weather stations all over earth detected increased albedo in that short period of three days. I don't see a plausible reason to not accept that fact as proof for the total weather-manipulation we are subjected to. There is no global warming that's caused by humanity. And our "masters" absolutely cannot be trusted to be in control of the situation. Earth's weather being the complex system it is, there is absolutely no way of foretelling where this might lead.
For a moment, entertain the thought that perhaps a group similar to what I - for lack of a better term - call the NWO a couple of thousand years ago masterminded the crash of civilization they tell us happened due to natural causes at the end of the ice age thirteen thousand years ago. They perhaps did it to get rid of the competition. No way for us to check any of the extremely scarce data which might all come from one and the same source. Nobody volunteers to explain the presence of tropical plants and animals in the Antarctic? Whatever happened to this planet we do not know, neither will we ever be told. If ever there was the question for the meaning of life, finding out about our real past is a clear favorite. Finding out would reveal the "masters" in all their deceitfulness and utter disregard for humanity.
If they cannot control all sides they prefer to start with a clean slate. Yes, they most probably should all be hauled away to the loony bin so that humans could continue to develop in a positive way.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that there are statistics we never get to see. For example, ice accumulation in winter versus meltoff each and every year leaves MORE ice at the poles. The situation that we're spoon-fed all the "truths" they want us to believe isn't exactly new. But it's very easy to read up on the Berhand Eastlund patent of 87 and the fact that if they manage to shield only one percent of solar radiation a new ICE AGE could be in our very near future. Just imagine oil profits from a freezing earth! Earth's albedo has diminished significantly in the last ten years. Remember the three flight-free days after 911? Weather stations all over earth detected increased albedo in that short period of three days. I don't see a plausible reason to not accept that fact as proof for the total weather-manipulation we are subjected to. There is no global warming that's caused by humanity. And our "masters" absolutely cannot be trusted to be in control of the situation. Earth's weather being the complex system it is, there is absolutely no way of foretelling where this might lead.
For a moment, entertain the thought that perhaps a group similar to what I - for lack of a better term - call the NWO a couple of thousand years ago masterminded the crash of civilization they tell us happened due to natural causes at the end of the ice age thirteen thousand years ago. They perhaps did it to get rid of the competition. No way for us to check any of the extremely scarce data which might all come from one and the same source. Nobody volunteers to explain the presence of tropical plants and animals in the Antarctic? Whatever happened to this planet we do not know, neither will we ever be told. If ever there was the question for the meaning of life, finding out about our real past is a clear favorite. Finding out would reveal the "masters" in all their deceitfulness and utter disregard for humanity.
If they cannot control all sides they prefer to start with a clean slate. Yes, they most probably should all be hauled away to the loony bin so that humans could continue to develop in a positive way.
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 10:35 AM by rhinoceros
reply to post by TheRedneck
What part of this doesn't add up:
Total incoming = 343 W/m^2
Total outgoing = 103 W/m^2 + 240 W/m^2 = 343 W/m^2
?
Think of the 1st law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed, but cannot be created or destroyed.
Ever heard that before? Maybe at school? You know.. in science class. The same place where they also told you about greenhouse effect. Can you see what part greenhouse effect plays in the picture? I bet you can't. Here's a hint: not all of the outgoing energy really goes out
[edit on 6-12-2009 by rhinoceros]
What part of this doesn't add up:
Total incoming = 343 W/m^2
Total outgoing = 103 W/m^2 + 240 W/m^2 = 343 W/m^2
?
Think of the 1st law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed, but cannot be created or destroyed.
Ever heard that before? Maybe at school? You know.. in science class. The same place where they also told you about greenhouse effect. Can you see what part greenhouse effect plays in the picture? I bet you can't. Here's a hint: not all of the outgoing energy really goes out
[edit on 6-12-2009 by rhinoceros]
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 01:34 PM by dragonridr
reply to post by rhinoceros
What happens when you bombard o2 with uv radiation do you know? guess what it creates o3.And guess what that can do absorb infra red radiation.
Wavelengths less than ~240 nanometers are absorbed by oxygen molecules (O2), which dissociate to give O atoms. The O atoms combine with other oxygen molecules to make ozone: O2 + hv -> O + O (wavelength < 240 nm) O + O2 -> O3
What is ozone the protective layer that not only provides uv protection but also traps ir from leaking back into space.Nasa has proved through the use of Airborne Visible and Infrared Imaging Spectrometer that o3 has more impact on global temp then co2.This is why several scientists have thought of the idea of waekening the ozone to prevent global warming.
Only problem is you will end up getting skin cancer but hey the earth will cool down.
What happens when you bombard o2 with uv radiation do you know? guess what it creates o3.And guess what that can do absorb infra red radiation.
Wavelengths less than ~240 nanometers are absorbed by oxygen molecules (O2), which dissociate to give O atoms. The O atoms combine with other oxygen molecules to make ozone: O2 + hv -> O + O (wavelength < 240 nm) O + O2 -> O3
What is ozone the protective layer that not only provides uv protection but also traps ir from leaking back into space.Nasa has proved through the use of Airborne Visible and Infrared Imaging Spectrometer that o3 has more impact on global temp then co2.This is why several scientists have thought of the idea of waekening the ozone to prevent global warming.
Only problem is you will end up getting skin cancer but hey the earth will cool down.
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 02:45 PM by rhinoceros
reply to post by dragonridr
I know this is a bit of a cliche, but how old are you? I'm thinking not old enough to realize that you can be wrong. If only you'd think before you post.
O3 can absorb IR. Yes that is true. Do you know how much O3 there is in the atmosphere? It makes more sense to say it in PPB than PPM since the figure isn't even 1 PPM. Wasn't your original point that oxygen was way worse than CO2 because there was so much more of it? For every O3 molecule there are over 500 CO2 molecules and every single one of them is about 75% more potent as a greenhouse effect causing agent. But it's not just that. O3 can act as a greenhouse gas only when present in the troposphere. Vast majority (> 90%) of O3 can be found from the stratosphere.
[edit on 6-12-2009 by rhinoceros]
I know this is a bit of a cliche, but how old are you? I'm thinking not old enough to realize that you can be wrong. If only you'd think before you post.
O3 can absorb IR. Yes that is true. Do you know how much O3 there is in the atmosphere? It makes more sense to say it in PPB than PPM since the figure isn't even 1 PPM. Wasn't your original point that oxygen was way worse than CO2 because there was so much more of it? For every O3 molecule there are over 500 CO2 molecules and every single one of them is about 75% more potent as a greenhouse effect causing agent. But it's not just that. O3 can act as a greenhouse gas only when present in the troposphere. Vast majority (> 90%) of O3 can be found from the stratosphere.
[edit on 6-12-2009 by rhinoceros]
reply posted on 6-12-2009 @ 11:18 PM by dragonridr
reply to post by rhinoceros
I'm just trying to point out the absurdity of the whole issue. Do you realize in the 70s and early 80sglobal cooling was the big threat.Serious scientists argued the use of cf cs destroyed the ozone and we needed to repair it now.even reported about the holes over antartica which later NASA decided was in fact normal.And there conclusion is this would make the earth uninhabitable due to UV exposure and global cooling.They believed this would send the earth into an ice age they even calculated it could take the earth past what they called the tipping point.Where unlike previous ice ages the entire global would cover in ice and could not thaw due to the reflective properties of ice.
Went as far as to predict by the year 2000 according to there sat data and temprature records. Guess what they were wrong even though there were scientific papers studies and so forth sound familiar?
[edit on 12/6/09 by dragonridr]
I'm just trying to point out the absurdity of the whole issue. Do you realize in the 70s and early 80sglobal cooling was the big threat.Serious scientists argued the use of cf cs destroyed the ozone and we needed to repair it now.even reported about the holes over antartica which later NASA decided was in fact normal.And there conclusion is this would make the earth uninhabitable due to UV exposure and global cooling.They believed this would send the earth into an ice age they even calculated it could take the earth past what they called the tipping point.Where unlike previous ice ages the entire global would cover in ice and could not thaw due to the reflective properties of ice.
Went as far as to predict by the year 2000 according to there sat data and temprature records. Guess what they were wrong even though there were scientific papers studies and so forth sound familiar?
[edit on 12/6/09 by dragonridr]
reply posted on 7-12-2009 @ 10:43 AM by TheRedneck
reply to post by rhinoceros
This doesn't: where is the energy that is supposedly warming the planet? You have a remainder of 0, which will not raise the temperature at all.
Maybe you should think about it. You just answered your own question and didn't even realize it.
TheRedneck
What part of this doesn't add up:
Total incoming = 343 W/m^2
Total outgoing = 103 W/m^2 + 240 W/m^2 = 343 W/m^2
This doesn't: where is the energy that is supposedly warming the planet? You have a remainder of 0, which will not raise the temperature at all.
Think of the 1st law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed, but cannot be created or destroyed.
Maybe you should think about it. You just answered your own question and didn't even realize it.
TheRedneck
reply posted on 7-12-2009 @ 11:08 AM by rhinoceros
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by rhinoceros
What part of this doesn't add up:
Total incoming = 343 W/m^2
Total outgoing = 103 W/m^2 + 240 W/m^2 = 343 W/m^2
This doesn't: where is the energy that is supposedly warming the planet? You have a remainder of 0, which will not raise the temperature at all.
The answer was right there in my post, but you failed to quote that part. Why is that?
Here it's again:
Can you see what part greenhouse effect plays in the picture? I bet you can't. Here's a hint: not all of the outgoing energy really goes out
Amazing!
It says so in the picture too very clearly: Some of the infrared radiation is absorbed and and re-emitted by the greenhouse gas molecules.
I don't see much point in continuing this lovely debate with you since you obviously lack even the most basic comprehension skills.
[edit on 7-12-2009 by rhinoceros]
reply posted on 7-12-2009 @ 04:02 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by rhinoceros
OK, how much of that outgoing energy gets reflected? Would that not decrease the outgoing energy?
Nevermind, you're not going to get it....
While the EPA is regulating carbon dioxide and Copenhagen is closing the door on freedom through Cap & Trade, you're here arguing over a silly picture.
Let me just congratulate you on the victory of TPTB and remind you: if this fails, it's on your head, not mine.
TheRedneck
OK, how much of that outgoing energy gets reflected? Would that not decrease the outgoing energy?
Nevermind, you're not going to get it....
While the EPA is regulating carbon dioxide and Copenhagen is closing the door on freedom through Cap & Trade, you're here arguing over a silly picture.
Let me just congratulate you on the victory of TPTB and remind you: if this fails, it's on your head, not mine.
TheRedneck
reply posted on 8-12-2009 @ 03:09 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by andrewh7
I know, their should be about 10,000 threads on Global Warming since it is the biggest conspiracy story in the past 100 years.
All thanks to the culmination of the largest tax and control maneuver in the history of mankind.
I know, their should be about 10,000 threads on Global Warming since it is the biggest conspiracy story in the past 100 years.
All thanks to the culmination of the largest tax and control maneuver in the history of mankind.
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 12:41 PM by piddles
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by onlylonely
Are you being funny?
No, according to the Global Warming agenda, the jury has been out since they instituted their plans.
Just follow the money. Who will benefit?
Watch a couple of videos on YouTube and return and give me your view than.
Hell, watch this one-
how can you possibly be taken seriously if you're going to reference FOX news?
You can't possibly expect to have a real unbiased discussion if your source is a huge group of hate mongers.
What, you got a video if the KKK denying global warming too?
reply posted on 13-12-2009 @ 07:24 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by piddles
Did you watch the video? It was just the first one I found. I was talking about how the GW backers always say that the argument is over. Also the guy backing GW on this video, Guess what? He is a Carbon Credits man. Head of a firm all set up and ready to go.
Yeah, no total scam here. People like Gore and everyone else pushing this will make billions. With no real pollution controls.................again.
Gotta love corporatism and corrupt capitalism. Go Gore!
Did you watch the video? It was just the first one I found. I was talking about how the GW backers always say that the argument is over. Also the guy backing GW on this video, Guess what? He is a Carbon Credits man. Head of a firm all set up and ready to go.
Yeah, no total scam here. People like Gore and everyone else pushing this will make billions. With no real pollution controls.................again.
Gotta love corporatism and corrupt capitalism. Go Gore!
reply posted on 29-12-2009 @ 09:42 PM by Subjective Truth
reply to post by piddles
Wow hate mongers and KKK members I think you might need to get your head examined and I am not just saying that really get some help. Fox news just like and main stream media it is biased for sure but to go as far as to say KKK members you are in need of some mental help. I am willing to bet I am not the first to say this to you so please listen. And I totally agree with the OP label this crap for what it is a HOAX. Maybe this is why you are going to such the deep end of the swimming pool with your outlandish comments. I figured the nuts would shake of the tree with this big of a shake.
Wow hate mongers and KKK members I think you might need to get your head examined and I am not just saying that really get some help. Fox news just like and main stream media it is biased for sure but to go as far as to say KKK members you are in need of some mental help. I am willing to bet I am not the first to say this to you so please listen. And I totally agree with the OP label this crap for what it is a HOAX. Maybe this is why you are going to such the deep end of the swimming pool with your outlandish comments. I figured the nuts would shake of the tree with this big of a shake.
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