Truth be told: Music on trial.

I want to devote my self again onhatred, bigotry and disagreement

The more controversy, the more likely for a debate to spark and for creativity to step in.

Thus, this section will be dedicated in order to embraces our anti-liberal views and witness how far our views are good enough to be justified.

I will not write a papyrus on my personal "Whys" at the start until I find the right state of mind to do so.

When I was young, I used to be extremely rightwing, misogynist and misanthropic; all of these traits of personality had one thing in common; extreme; thus metal music.

It took me 3-4 years to get out of this psychotic, mentally disturbing and unbalanced of point of you, this abomination.

I was glorious to anniliate per se the culture of Metal, its own distinctive Media and its so called "evolutionary Messiahs".

In my moments of clarity, I would argue an Apocalypsis; revelation, I stopped following them, listening to them and worshiping them like Righteous Men.

No you are not.

You are like religion; living in the 70s and 80s and thinking that you are somewhat the last remainings of a samurai culture.

Wrong.

Your decay is so observered as the Global Warning Phenomenon.

No macho-men do for me and neither do for society.

To add on, in my list of total loathe are Punks.

Go you hardcore anarchists.

Give me more blood to to see.

Or give into me more self-judgement rather bitching, whining and crying over the broken society.

Who is head-bagging now eh?

I agree metal music is nothing but nonsense and a bunch of noise. Out of all the musical genres out there, Metal is the hardest to listen to.

It amazes me what people are into these days.

Idk, man. Bagging a whole genre of music because most of it is crap is a bit one-sided. If you're going to have that mentality, you might as well not listen to any music because the majority of the music industry is pretty dismal. Some metal is good, most sucks. Some ska is good, most sucks. Some punk is good, most sucks.

Originally posted by mooseinhisglory
Idk, man. Bagging a whole genre of music because most of it is crap is a bit one-sided. If you're going to have that mentality, you might as well not listen to any music because the majority of the music industry is pretty dismal. Some metal is good, most sucks. Some ska is good, most sucks. Some punk is good, most sucks.

Bwahaha.

I knew the whole drama of "personal preferences" would be there; abstract, naive and "boringly" general.

I said justify; I didnt say which music genre you like in terms of "melody" or "sound"; I asked to give ideological respect or disrespect; not aesthetic judgement.

That's amazing, I found most metal music to be progressive and rather "liberal". Whilst it can be said to be violent at times, it seems lots of the metal bands I have heard would at least like that violence to eventually lead to a better world.

Most speak out against police states and military industrial complex. They seem to support individuality and not herd mentality(the musicians I mean).

My turn:

Gangsta rap is the lowest common denominator in music ever. Whilst I can appreciate their dedication it is probably the most poser ridden genre in all of the music industry. I just can't take a millionaire ina flashy music video trying to sing about a hard knock life. next.

Hey, that's awesome.
I write heavy metal music about all those things you speak of.

Bad attention is attention nonetheless.

Any music is the means to express what is inside your thoughts, feelings and all that nonsense.

By the time it is commercialized, it only represents the almighty $$.
I wish I had some of those.
That being said, most people aren't exposed to the genres that still hold true to the expression aspect. They have to seek it out themselves.

Why? Because sheeple buy mainstream music. Are exposed to the commercialism of it on every radio/T.V./Video game...bla bla
They are somehow convinced to believe that it is exciting.

I like the bone crushing of metal, because it is angry, and I am angry..not with my life and circumstances but with the over all condition of the globe. It is aggressive and I am aggressive. and bla bla. It is the easiest genre to release what I have. And believe it or not, good metal is much more complex musically, than most think.

If you spend enough time surfing through genres on "underground" or "indie" sites, you'll find meaning in any genre of your preference. They still write with emotion.

I'm not sure if I was traveling down the right road here...but yeah.

Edited to add.... It's Headbanging. \m/

[edit on 22-11-2009 by bad man incorporated]

The ideology behind mainstream Hip-Hop is just as detrimental as Metal. It has taught a generation to shoot and steal. To slang and bang. It has taught them to value the dollar above all else. The whole concept is "Get rich or die trying."

I say mainstream for a reason, as there is alot of very intelligent Hip-Hop out there, however, you'll never see it on MTV.

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You beat me to it....

2nd...

Originally posted by SS.Invictus
I want to devote my self again onhatred, bigotry and disagreement

The more controversy, the more likely for a debate to spark and for creativity to step in.

Thus, this section will be dedicated in order to embraces our anti-liberal views and witness how far our views are good enough to be justified.

I will not write a papyrus on my personal "Whys" at the start until I find the right state of mind to do so.

When I was young, I used to be extremely rightwing, misogynist and misanthropic; all of these traits of personality had one thing in common; extreme; thus metal music.

How strange, i have metalhead friends who are leftwing, caring,sharing decent folk.

It took me 3-4 years to get out of this psychotic, mentally disturbing and unbalanced of point of you, this abomination.

So you admit it wasn't the music, it was YOUR point of view?

I was glorious to anniliate per se the culture of Metal, its own distinctive Media and its so called "evolutionary Messiahs".

In my moments of clarity, I would argue an Apocalypsis; revelation, I stopped following them, listening to them and worshiping them like Righteous Men.

Fair enough, i did exactly the same with happy hardcore (just what was i thinking? it's just poor mans rave music.)

No you are not.

You are like religion; living in the 70s and 80s and thinking that you are somewhat the last remainings of a samurai culture.

Are we addressing ALL metal heads here?

Wrong.

Wrong eh?

Your decay is so observered as the Global Warning Phenomenon.

Nothing is permanent, even stone turns to sand. What's your point?

No macho-men do for me and neither do for society.

Nor me, what are we on about again?

To add on, in my list of total loathe are Punks.

But punk music isn't metal.

Go you hardcore anarchists.

Not all punks are anarchists, i thought you were on about RIGHT wing?

Or give into me more self-judgement rather bitching, whining and crying over the broken society.

So you'd rather everyone did or said nothing?

Who is head-bagging now eh?

Only against my computer screen.

You sure showed me. What's the main point of this anyway? You went off metal heads because you think its a semi-religious trend, you hate punks and you generalise everyone's political leaning with an associative musical label?

Am i warm here?

Originally posted by Davidius
I agree metal music is nothing but nonsense and a bunch of noise. Out of all the musical genres out there, Metal is the hardest to listen to.

That's subjective, i find cheesy chart music the hardest to listen to. Metal certainly has a very edgy approach and can be very heavy, but i've heard darker psytrance and heavier tekno and gabber. Have you never heard of Aphex twin, Squarepusher, Borgore, Yab Yum.... All heavy as hell NON-METAL artists.

It amazes me what people are into these days.

Yeah it's beautiful isn't it... all this individual tase. Sure as hell beats monotony and single mindedness.

Originally posted by Seiko
That's amazing, I found most metal music to be progressive and rather "liberal". Whilst it can be said to be violent at times, it seems lots of the metal bands I have heard would at least like that violence to eventually lead to a better world.

Most speak out against police states and military industrial complex. They seem to support individuality and not herd mentality(the musicians I mean).

My turn:

Gangsta rap is the lowest common denominator in music ever. Whilst I can appreciate their dedication it is probably the most poser ridden genre in all of the music industry. I just can't take a millionaire ina flashy music video trying to sing about a hard knock life. next.

You know what is funny, is GR culture is a lot like conservative ideology.
Rule #1 Me first
Rule #2 Its a dog eat world
Rule #3 Trust your own
Rule #4 shoot first ax questions later
Rule #5 Respect is everything


I could go on and on with the parallels

I will tell you, the street is free market theory to the extreme - just remove any legal concerns or pomp.

begin sarcasm/What's this??? no one wants the links to my metal? Its free for download, AND has no hidden frequencies or subliminal messages. haha.

I would love to create a new genre of music that isn't based on what is already out there.

How to do that? You wanted to spark some creativity with this thread, right?

How can music take the next leap forward, rather than stagnantly sit and get over commercialized?

Originally posted by bad man incorporated

I would love to create a new genre of music that isn't based on what is already out there.

How to do that? You wanted to spark some creativity with this thread, right?

How can music take the next leap forward, rather than stagnantly sit and get over commercialized?

IT usually done by re - visiting the past and putting a new spin on it, it is a matter of spirit and attitude.

There are only 12 notes in western music which means musical innovation has much to do with the presentation and timbre (physical sounds).

In the last fifty years or more, technology/equipment has helped create most of the shifts in musical "progress" - via timbre. But now days there are not many uncharted sounds to be utilized to help spur a new sound.

Another problem is that musicians are becoming increasingly dependent on technique and have very little understanding or exposure to Harmonic considerations. Or in laymen terms, the bag of tricks keeps getting smaller, melodies are confined to
basic progressions and PRODUCTION is used now to augment poor writing and bland/"safe" performances.

60 years ago would look like (chords)

F7b5 - Abmaj7 - G6/9 - Aminb9 - D7 - Dmin7...

A song 40 years ago

A - E - F# - D - A - E - D - C# - D - A- F#...

now its

E - E - E - B - A - G - E...

[edit on 22-11-2009 by Janky Red]

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For sure.
I guess there is no more progress.

I will still write songs from feelings.

[edit on 23-11-2009 by bad man incorporated]

There's nothing like listening to some great Metallica or Dethklok....


:bnghd:

Originally posted by Namaste
The ideology behind mainstream Hip-Hop is just as detrimental as Metal. It has taught a generation to shoot and steal. To slang and bang. It has taught them to value the dollar above all else. The whole concept is "Get rich or die trying."

I say mainstream for a reason, as there is alot of very intelligent Hip-Hop out there, however, you'll never see it on MTV.

Thanks for the word detrimental.

I was seeking all of this years for a word to be the epitome of my heavy-heated criticism.

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60 years ago would look like (chords)

F7b5 - Abmaj7 - G6/9 - Aminb9 - D7 - Dmin7...

A song 40 years ago

A - E - F# - D - A - E - D - C# - D - A- F#...

now its

E - E - E - B - A - G - E...

Actually, it isn't even chords for some of these yocks. It's powerchords: plain old doublestopping, usually a fifth apart. Two-note 'chords'.

And on top of that, the harmonic movement in the melody runs through all of five notes--a pentatonic scale.

Music for morons.

[edit on 11/12/09 by Astyanax]

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You and Janky red are obviously just looking for muswic in the wrong places, dig a little deeper and you'll see what I mean.

Originally posted by ivzm
reply to post by Astyanax

 

You and Janky red are obviously just looking for muswic in the wrong places, dig a little deeper and you'll see what I mean.

I agree, but i can also understand why Astyanax and Janky Red can say this too. Basically 'forced music' with little creativity is dominating the airwaves with cloned bands and soulless, talentless drones filling the headlines and charts. It's easy to become disillusioned with contemporary music.

BUT as IVZM says, dig a little deeper. (Allow me to remove the topsoil at least).

Off the top of my head some of the more unusual or less known contemporary artists.... (of varying genre)

2007 - en.wikipedia.org...

www.youtube.com...

^^ This song in particular i find extremely relaxing (i suggest headphones).

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I'm assuming your ideas of electronic music is also invariably cliched (no offense) so how about this?

Ambient trance?

www.youtube.com...

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www.youtube.com... (ambient-jazz style 'sunshine recorder' by Boards of Canada)

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www.youtube.com... (venetian snares - Hajnal - SERIOUSLY listen to this one, it's a slow burner until 3:39) - Classical / Breaks

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www.youtube.com... (Burial -Distant lights)

^^ Who says sampling is bad? This is ambient dub-step at its best.

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Okay you just listened to some ambient dubstep, so how about we up the tempo (just so you can see the contrast in one particular genre) and take a look Borgore - saturday night (this will wake you up)

www.youtube.com...

Borgore is an extreme dubstep producer who has developed his own style called 'Gorestep' and just so happens to produce very dubby bass driven tunes but almost in a thrash guitar way (contrasting to the ambient dubby soundscaped i've just shown you) - and Borgore just so happens to drum for an Israeli death metal band too. So essentially this is dubstep but in a death metal stylee...

And then we'll expand our horizons with some psychedelic music

www.youtube.com... (shpongle)

www.youtube.com... (younger brother)

Let me know what you think, i've tried to be eclectic to a degree.

Originally posted by Namaste
The ideology behind mainstream Hip-Hop is just as detrimental as Metal. It has taught a generation to shoot and steal. To slang and bang. It has taught them to value the dollar above all else. The whole concept is "Get rich or die trying."

I say mainstream for a reason, as there is alot of very intelligent Hip-Hop out there, however, you'll never see it on MTV.

That shows just how little you know about real hip-hop.

anywho... bubble gum pop *eg Mylie Cyrus, everything American Idol, Britney Spears, etc...* is what I think should be reaped of it's influence. I view it as if every note is sending forth a vibration of manufactured, calculated synthetic, and fake. It's sole purpose is to pander to the lower consciousness and to part you with your money.

I think sonic bot flies is a great way to view it. The music gets under the skin of real music, gestating, building strength, and emerges from underneath the skin of authentic music... Becoming something entirely different. Yet even more so vampiric.