It all started when I was driving around town with one of my friends. We are the type of guys that could care less about pop culture and discuss "important" subjects such as spirituality, conspiracies, secret societies, you know, the stuff ATS is usually associated with.

There was something about this car drive that was different, very different. We were discussing freemasonry and what our views were. I asked him, "So man, what do you think about them masons?" What he said next shook my world. "David, I am a mason."

This was very shocking to me because we have always spoken about the subject in a negative fashion. He would even contribute to the discussion by saying how the majority of the presidents are masons and how they are building a New World Order etc. etc.

We talked all afternoon that day on how he became a mason and how his father was a mason and why he wanted to join. He was telling me how we don't have a clue of what they do and it was only until you became one would you understand their true "secrets". It made sense, after-all, everything on the internet is just speculation. We can never know for sure until we actually become one.

I was intrigued and decided to become a mason myself. I looked up the contact details for the local lodge in town and met up with the secretary of the lodge at a nearby restaurant. We sat down and we discussed freemasonry and how its a brotherhood of people who just want to be better people and help out each other. He showed me his masonic ring, the masonic handshake and even told me a story on how General Santa Anna escaped death because he flashed a masonic hand sign to Sam Houston (Texas History).

I was given some handouts to fill out and was invited to eat dinner at their lodge. The next month, I entered a masonic lodge for the first time and met the other fellow masons. I talked to some of them and was very interested in all the artwork displayed on the walls. I didn't feel welcome however. The Worshipful Master didn't even speak to me. My friend told me that was how he felt the first time he came in so I did not worry about it.

I was invited to eat dinner with them 2 more times and was interviewed so that they could finalize my application. The next month, I got an email informing me I was a mason and that the initiation would be done soon. However, because I was only 18 and was going to leave for college, I had to find another lodge.

This is where it gets juicy. On my last invitation to eat dinner, I had a VERY strange vibe pulsating through all my body. It did not feel right. When it was time for the guests to leave (those interested in freemasonry) so that the real meeting would begin, I was not shown the way out like before, no one shook my hand except my friend and his dad. What his dad said was very interesting aswell. "Whatever you do in the outside world, do it with good heart." And that was that.

It was as if I was not welcome in their lodge. But according to masonic beliefs, anyone who is interested in becoming part of the brotherhood must be welcomed and treated with great respect, something that I did not feel.

So I went my way and decided to look for that lodge in my college town. I contacted the secretary by email and told him I was interested in becoming a mason. Now, instead of receiving a "We are glad to hear that! Blah Blah" I was questioned if I really wanted to become a mason. I insisted I did and gave him my contact details. I never heard from him again. Once again it was as if there was a force preventing me from becoming a mason.

I never again tried to become a member. A mason should be treated as a brother, even those who are interested. Something I certainly did not receive.

Perhaps there is something more to these masons than meets the eye.

Thoughts?

really, though until you a trusted member of the brotherhood, you will not have any better relationships with them, or have any status, or be saved in time of need. You need the ring. Also, they probably are not sure if you really want to be a Mason "for the right reasons". It likely also depends on the city and the lodge.

And for the most part. you are no one special until you at least reach the third degree or above

I am pretty sure everyone that comes out of Skull and Bones at Yale University is a Mason.

That would make the last Mason President, George Bush Jr., not Ford.

Also Jr's father, and grandfather, and other relatives. Prescott Bush is the most interesting one to study in my opinion. Yea, I am pretty sure Skull and Bones at Yale is the highest lodge in America.

what are masons? freemasons? do they build cinderblock structure for free? don't masons work with mortar and concrete or something like that? why on earth would you want to do hard labor if you're going to college?

i was a mason once, it wasn't fun but i didn't have to go to the gym. now i have a better job, thank god. and why the hell do you have to pay dues just to get dirty and have mortar eat the skin on your hands away?

Originally posted by DOADOA
what are masons? freemasons? do they build cinderblock structure for free? don't masons work with mortar and concrete or something like that? why on earth would you want to do hard labor if you're going to college?

Because a gift received is seldom appreciated as much as a reward honestly earned.

i was a mason once, it wasn't fun but i didn't have to go to the gym. now i have a better job, thank god. and why the hell do you have to pay dues just to get dirty and have mortar eat the skin on your hands away?

If you're not willing to put in the hard work, I'd hate to see what you built. Probably fallen apart by now.

Originally posted by Rockpuck


Skull and Bones is a fraternity at Yale, albeit, corrupt, but just that, a club.. it is not affiliated with Masonry.

While it is true that the Bushes are not Masons and that Skull and Bones is not connected to Freemasonry, why would you say that the Skull and Bones are corrupt? Outside of some pretty far out conspiracy theories, I've never heard them be accused of anything unseemly, at least not rationally.

To the OP:

It's sort of hard to say. I've visited some Lodges where I was basically ignored, and others where I was made to feel like a long lost brother. It all depends on the members of the individual Lodge, I suppose.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by Masonic Light]

Rockpuck is correct. You may have submitted a request to be consider for Freemasonry, but until you have actually gone through the whole process and been raised - you are not a mason. You may have received a letter saying that you were approved for training and sometime after your approval and before your training could begin your true motive for attempting to join must have been discovered. If your friend was really a mason perhaps he had a change of heart about recommending you knowing that you were probably only doing it so you could come back here and do a tell all expose. Idol curiosity is no reason to join any organization.

Originally posted by Mr No One
Idol curiosity is no reason to join any organization.

Why ever not?

Line taken from The Walking Charge.

"Your particular reason for becoming member of this grand and noble Order is known only to yourself. It may have been the prompting of idle curiosity. That being so, your curiosity is now satisfied, in part, for if you so choose, Freemasonry has much more to offer."

[edit on 13-11-2009 by iwasasked2b1]

[edit on 13-11-2009 by iwasasked2b1]

Maybe they did some "checking" on you in the interim and decided you were not the right material. This could be due to your lack of any position or status that might be advantageous to "the cause" in some way.

Maybe they do not like curiousity seekers. Maybe there is a moritorium on new memberships at this time. Maybe the door has closed since we are so "near the end". Maybe they are concerned about those that might infiltrate and leak information.

However, being an initiate, I doubt you would be in a position to hear anything leak worthy. The blue people are always kept in the dark.

Perhaps they already initiated you and you did not realize it. Were you asked to do anything that you did not comply with? It would have been asked in a social off-hand manner. Were you asked by any of your friends or aquaintances to do something that ever so slightly compromised your integrity or principles?

When a lodge votes on your application for the degrees of Masonry, they must decide if you are capable of fulfilling the obligations that you would take.

If they did in fact vote against allowing you to join their lodge, it sounds like it may have been because they were not sure you would be sticking around long enough to learn the catechism or go through their program of the 1st three degrees.

If they mentioned that you would have better luck joining a lodge closer to where you will be attending school then perhaps they decided that your Masonic journey would be better suited there than having you join their lodge, then transfer, and continue your journey with a new set of brothers. Ideally you want to graduate under the same officers that you joined under.

It's nothing against you, and nothing saying you can't petition another lodge. And while lodges do communicate between each other, each lodge is independent and does not take instructions from other lodges. The only reason you would be rejected permanently is if you had some criminal history or conduct unbecoming of a Mason that was made public.

I wish you luck.....you're already a Mason, you just don't know it yet.