Originally posted by 13579
Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by spellbound
Jesus was God in flesh.He took the worlds' sins upon Himself and allowed
Himself to be nailed to the cross.We all had a debt we couldn't pay and
Jesus paid our sin debt for us.Salvation is a gift from God and no man
can come to the Father except through Jesus.
ok let me understand this..
Jesus through the farther, that was god took the worlds sins upon him because we all had a debt to pay? and jesus aka god gave us salvation as a gift?
now i am confused![]()
The confusion arises because of a cultural drift in the meanings of words that occurred during the Christian era...
...that was essentially in place by the third century...
...and was unwittingly embraced into Protestantism.
There is a Hebrew word tsedaqah and a Greek word dikaiosune...
...these are usually translated 'Justice' or 'Righteousness'.
The original meaning referred to justice in the sense of a persons responsibility in a relationship or fulfilling a promise or agreement...
...that has some similarities to our modern 'contract law'.
This concept of Justice became confused with Greko/Roman concepts of Justice...
...which was essentially concerned with punitive law and punishment...
...this was then read back into the New Testament manuscript references...
...and embedded in modern Christian theology.
God who was simply keeping a promise to Abraham...
...becomes then a celestial Shylock demanding His 'pound of flesh'...
...and pouring His wrath on Jesus as substitute.
Essentially you have identified a confusion that really exists...
...that has had the effect of causing Christendom to proclaim another gospel.
The original Christian Gospel was that the Spirit who make the worlds historically expressed Himself in true human form...
...so by dying, He could defeat death and restore the World of Men as a New Creation...
...that is then given as a gift to all who who believe it.


