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Yes he has a valid point and those that have been fooled are doing more harm to themselves than to anyone else...... Many of them that bear the brunt of being combatants or medical care givers will have memories that will haunt them until they die and the masters of war will profit off of their children and grandchildren in the future just as they have on so many previous generations of young people blinded by patriotic zeal.
Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
All of you are hopeless. And maybe I'm just as bad for assuming that at some point you would have enough common sense to realize that you're being manipulated into participating in this thread.
You're not going to change the OP's stance, and maybe, judging from some of the reactions that I've seen on this thread...MAYBE HE HAS A POINT.
Personally, I respect all those who have served in the armed forces...but, I certainly don't agree with them serving under the last 2 administrations. As soon as 911 happened, people jumped on a bandwagon without really looking at the evidence, or,...lack thereof.
Those who can be so easily fooled into defending this country without adequately weighing the facts are the types that do more harm to the image of our military than helping.
Originally posted by Ulala
As to “the Veterans” I come to it from this angle. You, those who fought recently, can describe yourselves as a Veteran to your hearts content. But that doesn't make you one, despite your best attempts to tag onto the coattails of real heroes.
I class Veterans as being those who fought against the most terrible odds in wars of survival such as WW2. The Veterans of those wars have my greatest respect and I haven't said anything to the contrary. Those guys (and many women too) ensured we are free today. Those who protect liberty deserve nothing but the highest praise and I'm not shy in giving it either, both in word and deed.
Originally posted by Ulala
Should you be accorded praise or should your opinions be given special hearing because of your self appointed “Veteran” status ? No. They bloody well shouldn't. No-one held a gun to your heads to join up and unless you've buried your head in the sand over the last eight years it won't come as much of a surprise to learn that the conflicts into which you freely walked don't have universal support.
Originally posted by VelvetSplash
Surely if there's any forum on the internet where such an opinion is majority, it should be one like this.
Aren't there scores of threads and hundreds of posts about how wars are engineered for one vile end or another - arms sales, profit, money, oil, land etc.
The soldiers are the pawns in this war, the drones used against each other for the gain of the folks pulling the strings. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing honourable in being a mindless pawn, following orders regardless of motivation and reason. It's weak and soldiers are mindless murderers whos crimes are sanctioned by their corrupt leaders.
Your patriotism is misplaced. If humanity is going to evolve at all - isn't it time we stop listening to those who tell us the people on the other side of imaginery lines want to destroy us? Even if they do, it's only because they're also listening to their leaders telling them the same thing. And the people that allow these cretinous leaders to bring their desires to reality are the pawn soldiers who mindlessly carry out their bidding for them.
If there were no armies, the leaders who just slapping each other with their handbags, not bombing the f-ck out of thousands of innocent people year in year out.
Originally posted by thomasc83
Which is why everyone should boycott the armed forces and then when Cuba, Canada, Mexico, or whoever gets here first takes over, we'll all join and fight for our new country..lol.
Originally posted by MkUltraman
"People sleep comfortably in their beds at night because rough men stand by ready to do violence on their behalf"