Since we are the only country to have had free access to the lunar surface during the peak of the Cold War, that the opportunity for military exploitation was overlooked is highly unlikely. I'm sure that plenty of defense-related gadgetry was left behind, the installation of which and documentation thereof was and perhaps remains secret. And that does not bother me in the least, having lived through that period.

Cool catch, and imaginative 'reconstruction'. Very entertaining.

Not encouraging for the "lessons learned" process, but NASA has never figured out to learn lessons from other people, or even from its own earlier generations. I wrote a chapter on that problem in my 2001 book, "Star-Crossed Orbits" -- the people writing the lessons learned documents are sincere but apparently unable to put them into forms useful to succeeding generations of space workers. Even when they actually get the facts right.

May I ask if you are the real Jim Oberg, who works for NASA? Because he is a disinfo agent for NASA imo. No offense on that.

The Apollo moon landings were faked in the western deserts, likely Arizona. Also, Apollo 1 fire and Apollo 13 were sabotaged by NASA, as well as the Hubble and both Space Shuttles that exploded. Apollo 13 never even went near the moon. The Hubble's mirrors were sabotaged not to reveal evidence of the grays on the near side of the moon. I have much more information I wish to share, including about 9-11 which was done by American secret govt. using remote control.

As well, the explosion of the Vangaurd rocket in 1957 was due to sabotage by Americans to make space travel look difficult. In fact, they had landed on the moon already more than once, on Mars in 1953.

Originally posted by JamesBondLovesLucy
The Apollo moon landings were faked in the western deserts, likely Arizona. Also, Apollo 1 fire and Apollo 13 were sabotaged by NASA, as well as the Hubble and both Space Shuttles that exploded. Apollo 13 never even went near the moon. The Hubble's mirrors were sabotaged not to reveal evidence of the grays on the near side of the moon. I have much more information I wish to share, including about 9-11 which was done by American secret govt. using remote control.

Can't wait

The Russians landed on the moon several times also in the fifties, after US started to. The US first landed on the moon in October, 1952 I believe, under Truman's presidency.

Originally posted by nomadros

Can't wait

Thank you I appreciate it. I will return later with more information I believe I have, and believe the US govt has classified it at about 26 levels above top secret (the grays).

I would add also that the main reason JFK was assassinated was b/c he wanted to go public about these things in his term.
The Bay of Pigs fiasco, where the govt had not intended to help the rebels at all, was a secondary reason.

I have messaged UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon about this, although the UN is a biased organization.

Hi Arbitrageur, (sorry, I couldnt repost your questions as I am only allowed 4000 characters max per post).

The 18-minute and 43-second “hard blackout” in the timeline where there is no contact with MCC Houston over the public channel began at 111:40:00, so in the flight plan timeline you posted, that means the covert S-EVA was conducted when the timeline says the astronauts were supposed to be “describing and photographing the lunar surface through the windows”. The fact is that Conrad and Bean were describing the scene doing during this period, but they were doing it from atop the LM covertly over the “private radio loop”! Notice how the official timeline you posted says that between 111:40:00 and 112:00:00, the astronauts were supposed to be talking with Houston over the public channel, describing the view through the +Z windows? If you check the actual mission transcript timeline, you see that during that 20 minute period of time (111:40:00 to 112:00:00), there is 18 minutes and 43 seconds straight of nothing but DEAD AIR on the public radio loop!

As the official transcript shows, the Apollo 12 crew did not begin to provide their description of the Statio Cognitium site over the public radio loop with Houston until AFTER this nearly 19-minute dead-air blackout period. The official public record description of the landing site from Pete Conrad begins starting at 112:01:44 in the timeline. It was during the earlier black-out period when Conrad and Bean were actually covertly conducting the S-EVA, communicating over the “private radio loop” - which is why the public channel audio and official transcripts record nothing but dead-air during that period.

So, not only do we have an official NASA document from 2006 blatantly admitting that this S-EVA did occur, you can see that there is a massive hole in the audio transcripts with nothing but dead-air over the public loop at precisely the time that, according to the timeline, the astronauts were supposed to be describing the view to the world over the public channel.

As for your other question about the repress/depress requirements. Well, there are two possibilities. The astronauts obviously had to depress the LM when they did the S-EVA, and from a “consumables” perspective you are dead on, it would definitely have made the most sense to not bother with a re-pressurization of the LM and instead, keep the LM depressurized, close the +X top hatch, don the PLSS packs (which could be done without repressing the LM cabin) and then crack the +Z forward hatch and egress down to the surface.

The other option would be to re-pressurize the LM after the S-EVA and just act like they had not done it, going through the site description through the windows, the PLSS donning procedures for the surface EVA, and everything else they claimed to be doing before the declared moonwalk. Personally, I am of the firm belief that the first option - that which has the astronauts beginning their first moonwalk shortly after ending the S-EVA without repressurizing the LM first, is what they did. This of course would mean that Conrad and Bean were on the lunar surface well before the public thought they were, and yes, that would mean that the timeline and audio transcripts were further manipulated. I say that I believe this to be the case simply because of other incidents from other missions that point to these kinds of “tape-delay” games being played that allowed the astronauts onto the surface early, while the public still thought they were in the LM. I don’t expect anyone to believe that just because I say it, as I am the first one to admit that I have not publicly presented any of the other evidence that is out there related to timeline manipulation from other missions at all yet to demonstrate and better explain how they did this. That is my opinion however.

Hope this helps answer your questions my friend,
Cheers,
LunaCognita