Aside from their ceremonies the masons which have an somewhat (harmless and) odd flavor to them. They actually do quite a bit of good in their
respective communities. They are a positive force for good. They do more works of good and kindness then bad and evil that is reported part of the
problem is this nutjob David Icke who slanders everyone who strikes his fancy.
The masons Can't be chanting in their cloaks holding odd ceremonies all the time, and when they are not I submit that they are acting out a true love
of their fellow man and serving selfless and charitably.
Why is Everyone Against the Masons?, page 3
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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 01:17 PM by Voyager1
reply to post by ThaLoccster
Here is that quote from Morals and Dogma on the Templar/ Mason connection-
In his book, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite", Pike states, "Therefore, it was that the Sword and the Trowel were the insignia of the Templars, who subsequently, as will be seen, concealed themselves under the name of Brethren Masons. This name, Freres Macons in the French, adopted by way of secret reference to the Builders of the Second Temple, was corrupted in English into Free-Masons ..." [Page 816]
It sounds logical that it could have panned out this way and more interesting I suppose to think so.
Here is that quote from Morals and Dogma on the Templar/ Mason connection-
In his book, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite", Pike states, "Therefore, it was that the Sword and the Trowel were the insignia of the Templars, who subsequently, as will be seen, concealed themselves under the name of Brethren Masons. This name, Freres Macons in the French, adopted by way of secret reference to the Builders of the Second Temple, was corrupted in English into Free-Masons ..." [Page 816]
It sounds logical that it could have panned out this way and more interesting I suppose to think so.
reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 01:21 PM by JoshNorton
reply to post by Voyager1
And this is actually the point Masonic Light brings up here quite a bit. Pike was mistaken. The whole bit about low level Masons not being told the truth that would be revealed at higher degrees was written because there's no mention of the Templars in the first 3 degrees, yet they factor in to some of the Scottish Rite degrees. He believed that the Masons were descended from the Templars, but there's not really any historical evidence to back up that claim.
And this is actually the point Masonic Light brings up here quite a bit. Pike was mistaken. The whole bit about low level Masons not being told the truth that would be revealed at higher degrees was written because there's no mention of the Templars in the first 3 degrees, yet they factor in to some of the Scottish Rite degrees. He believed that the Masons were descended from the Templars, but there's not really any historical evidence to back up that claim.
reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 01:28 PM by seagull
reply to post by raknjak
Those accusations have been circulating about the masons since, well, forever...
It runs contrary to everything the masons in my experiences hold dear. Of course, being an organization founded by, and run by humans with all our faults, there will always be one or two bad apples.
I'm not a mason, but I know several, six at last count...and a better group of men you'd be hard pressed to find. Not that they're perfect, they're not, but good men nonetheless.
Those accusations have been circulating about the masons since, well, forever...
It runs contrary to everything the masons in my experiences hold dear. Of course, being an organization founded by, and run by humans with all our faults, there will always be one or two bad apples.
I'm not a mason, but I know several, six at last count...and a better group of men you'd be hard pressed to find. Not that they're perfect, they're not, but good men nonetheless.
reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 06:02 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by raknjak
Sure, you're my brother, however you are not my Brother. If that makes sense?
Twice in my life thus far I was given extra preference for being a Mason. Both times by a Non Mason. The first guy's father was a Mason, and he grew up around them and considered them very respectable, I being so young he thought it exceptional I would go so far to join this organization when I have no historical ties to it. Perhaps not because I was a Mason but rather I "went the extra mile" for a selfless cause?
The second time was a Woman, she had no idea what Masonry was and in the interview she asked why I wore so many strange rings (I only wear two..) so I went on to explain the whole point of the Fraternity, she she found it very interesting as far as I could tell.
When I moved to Oregon I was unemployed. One of the first things I did was visit some Masonic lodges.. I met a few Brothers who showed me the regional job posting sites, a .Gov site, as well as offer to help with my Resume, since competition is tougher. I went 9 months with no job, I never asked a Mason for special treatment nor did I receive any, nor would I have expected any.
I cannot say whether I would hire a Mason over a Non Mason, usually you can tell active Masons from non Active, which would probably effect my judgment, an Active Mason, like anyone active in selfless charity or Fraternity, it shows character in my opinion. But then that begs to question: Are Masons often times by nature more qualified for certain positions, not for their affiliation but character and intellect? Each Mason is an individual, and since that's what it ultimately comes down to, Masonry probably doesn't play to much of a roll.
Depends on the person, the company, etc.. I would say in most cases no, though it would be ignorant to assume it never happens.
Sadly, not much....
You are all my brothers and sisters regardless of my beliefs, but am I a brother to the masons? Or am I a brother, but still a level below their true brothers? Where lies their allegiance? With humanity, or first with themselves, and then the rest of us?
Sure, you're my brother, however you are not my Brother. If that makes sense?
Will a hiring mason give preference to a fellow mason or will he choose the best man for the job?
Twice in my life thus far I was given extra preference for being a Mason. Both times by a Non Mason. The first guy's father was a Mason, and he grew up around them and considered them very respectable, I being so young he thought it exceptional I would go so far to join this organization when I have no historical ties to it. Perhaps not because I was a Mason but rather I "went the extra mile" for a selfless cause?
The second time was a Woman, she had no idea what Masonry was and in the interview she asked why I wore so many strange rings (I only wear two..) so I went on to explain the whole point of the Fraternity, she she found it very interesting as far as I could tell.
When I moved to Oregon I was unemployed. One of the first things I did was visit some Masonic lodges.. I met a few Brothers who showed me the regional job posting sites, a .Gov site, as well as offer to help with my Resume, since competition is tougher. I went 9 months with no job, I never asked a Mason for special treatment nor did I receive any, nor would I have expected any.
I cannot say whether I would hire a Mason over a Non Mason, usually you can tell active Masons from non Active, which would probably effect my judgment, an Active Mason, like anyone active in selfless charity or Fraternity, it shows character in my opinion. But then that begs to question: Are Masons often times by nature more qualified for certain positions, not for their affiliation but character and intellect? Each Mason is an individual, and since that's what it ultimately comes down to, Masonry probably doesn't play to much of a roll.
Will masons have a better chance of success when other masons are in control?
Depends on the person, the company, etc.. I would say in most cases no, though it would be ignorant to assume it never happens.
after all I am not a mason, what do I know?
Sadly, not much....
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