Why is Everyone Against the Masons?

I grew interested in Masons because I wanted to find out who Albert Pike was. He is from where I live, there is a statue and a street here named after him. One day I was curious as to who Albert Pike was, and set off on a journey.

Its been awhile since I have read Morals & Dogma, I haven't read it cover to cover. I could dig it out if I need to but, doesn''t it go in to great detail about how its higher levels lie to the lower level, and so on until at the bottom you are just working your way through finding out "truths?"

Does it not also say that although Masonry as a whole is "religionless" that the enlightened at the top of the pyramid (scheme?) infact do worship "Lucifer the light bearer"?

I'm not intending to throw stones, just clear up my interpretation as it were.

Not at all. Pike doesn't believe in a devil...Pike explains it this wayMan created "Lucifer" as a way to explain away the bad things that happen in the world. But God is supreme, and evil cannot exist without his permission. It is this duality that is later explained by Pike.

[edit on 10/27/2009 by JoshNorton]

No. Pike believed that the Masons were derived from the Knights Templar, and that the historical link was hidden in the high degrees for protection. He further believed that those who wrote the Blue Degrees "intentioanlly misled" the new member by not mentioning the Templars.

Pike's ideas in this regard have long since been shown to be in error, and there is o longer any serious debate about it within the Masonic fraternity.



No. Pike never said anything about "worshiping Lucifer". In one passage, Pike quotes another author (Eliphas Levi) in translating "Lucifer" as "light bearer", which of course is true.

Concerning the other post, "Lucifer" is a term used for Jesus in the Latin Vulgate, not KJV.

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll be digging my copy out so I can try to understand the context more.

What people do not know they fear, and when someone fears something they usually resort to saying it is this or that because they don't really know what it is.

reply to post by Masonic Light

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Doh! Got the wrong version

Anyways, as to the templars the biggest case against them is that there is a very long time span between the conviction of the templars and the creation of masonry. And there is no evidence of any "missing link".. I know history is not absolute, but without any evidence you cannot just assume your version, or another version you found on the internet is correct... its just nonsense..

Thats because most people base their lives on religion, we are all crazy and do not know what we want and what is right or wrong. So we listen to people and prophets (like Obama, Zuma, Kim Jong-il, Bible etc) and follow their lead willingly and blindly with the exception of a few people who realise that something is wrong (very dangerous and unpatriotic. Might even get you killed) who rebel or refuse to follow.

This is what happened to the Masons. They were the "rebels" and didn't follow.

reply to post by Rockpuck

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What's your opinion, then, on the Regius Poem? Put's Masonry back as far as 924.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I like Lucifer, i read into him soudns like someone that had a hard time because he gave knowledge to us. If you were to become a freemason can you say you follow Lucifer? or has it got to be organised God's?

I doubt you'd get very far. And I've never met a Lucifarian who thought that Lucifer was the Grand Architect of the Universe, the creator of all things, and the Supreme Being. In every mythology that includes him, he's not top dog...he's subservient to a higher power, and it's that power you have to recognize to become a Mason.

I wonder, is Lucifer the Prometheus of Christianity?

So the "key of Solomon", care to elaborate on that? How masons worship 3 stars, Isis, Osiris, and Horus. The checkered floor, and how every president is sworn in on one? How ever bloody president is a Freemason/Satanist.

I got nothing against lowly Freemasons, I only have a problem with the majority.

You know my friend I love history. I try to find out as much about everything from history as I can. It's challenging because history changes as regimes and conquerers and winners sometimes write it. History can be confusing for that reason too as you go back in time to older sources in actual books that were written in various periods of time.

You can't always be sure whether subsequent information was found that can change the story and if that information is valid or not, or whether someone is deliberately changing the story for political purposes.

The truth is uniquely subjective. I am just a mere mortal, and an agnostic. I believe there is a higher power than my own, I haven't a clue as to what that is because I am earth and flesh bound and only have a narrow view of the universe because of that.

If Lucifer was a really great cook or had a really great Restaurant I would follow him, because truly the way to a man's heart is through his stomach.

The truth is I hold no allegiance to any God or Government, movement, society but reserve judgement on most things and reserve the right to change my mind.

Some people take all those things seriously, I don't. They don't cook me dinner!

Thankfully I am a great cook and don't need them too! Yeah for me!

care to elaborate how we worship 3 stars? And I can't wait for your interpretation of how you will prove that every president is/was a Freemason and a satanist.

Sincerely,

a lowly Freemason. (but part of the majority)

Likely written in the 1400s; has nothing to do with King Solomon.Isis, Osiris and Horus were ancient Egyptian gods, not stars. No Masons worship them (unless that particular Mason happens to follow an ancient Egyptian religion, which is perfectly within his rights to do so...)First I've heard of that. And easy enough to prove with photos that Obama was sworn in on a blue carpet...14 out of 44 presidents have been Freemasons. As far as I know, 0 out of 44 presidents have been Satanists.

Loco Hombre in your first post you wrote that:
The masons actually even understand sacred writings better than their followers. they realize that humans were made in the image of god, therefore we are gods.

This interpretation of humans being made in the image of God therefore making us Gods, could not be more far off. If these Masons claim to believe in God like they say, they would acknowledge the fact that God created man to serve him, not to be on the same level as him.


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reply to post by Rockpuck

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To rephrase my earlier statement, the Regius Poem is dated itself to around 1390. It contains mentions of Freemasonry that would date back to 900 or so BC.
The Templars were disbanded in 1314, and if you take for granted that Masonry then in some form preceded the document then you don't have such a large gap.

reply to post by KSigMason

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Possibly. there are many names that can be placed in the same context as Lucifer, as a bringer of knowledge, or light...

Native American legends Coyote is the bringer of fire from the heavens to man. Prometheus, as you mentioned. There are surely many, many others.

Not quite right there, Rockpuck. Niagara Lodge #2 in Niagara on the Lake, Ontario (Upper Canada back in the day) like almost all the buildings in NOTL was burned as the U.S. forces retreated back across the Niagara River on December 10th, 1813.

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