The Clone Conspiracy: Royal and Presidential Clones

Originally posted by cushycrux
Arkadi Gaydamak and David Bowie look completely different - and others too, sorry.

Hi CishyCrux,

Thanks for chiming in. Of course we honor your opinion, and surely others will find significant discrepancies between alleged cloned leaders and their alter egos. This thread has no pretense of being either exhaustive or definitive. When a poster, myself or another, proposes a possibility of a leader being cloned, then we must pay attention to whether there is any plausibility to any of such incidences. It could be they all look very different and there is no remote similarity of appearance. It could be they look almost identical but have entirely different DNA and cannot thus be clones. It could be that there are sufficient frequencies of sufficient similarities in appearance to bring us to ask ourselves questions without necessarily finding correct answers or even incorrect ones.

Thanks for your time, and happy browsing through the threads.

Originally posted by someotherguy
I think the Fox show "Fringe" is worth mentioning on this thread, too. It talks about "shape-shifting" entities from another dimension/universe coming in here. Their first wave of invasion is being led by robotoids/clones.

Full episodes here: www.fox.com...

Hi Someotherguy,


Thanks for the suggestion, I'm definitely going to take the time out to view the series you mention. Sometimes they hide this stuff in our face, if only to be able to rebuke our claims by saying... "Oh, so you think it's just like that stupid Sci-Fi series The Fringe? Ha, ha, ha! Gimme a break."


Meanwhile, to quench the thirst of others here still far from convinced that there is such a thing as a cloned leader, despite quite a few palpable comparisons, here is another tidbit for public consumption.


We were recently confronted with one of the most corrupt European politicians, on the take from George Bush Jr who paid him off with much indiscretion and who is probably going to take the plunge for his role in the Global Financial breakdown. He was a front runner to be designated, after being endorsed by ReichFuhrer Ratzinger Pope Benedict XVI, as the new Regional Leader of the world's leading economic powerhouse, Europe. The British Press nicknamed him the future King of Europe.


Tony Blair crowned King of Europe



President Blair of Europe


However, given his tardy collaboration with investigative teams for whom he sang the song, he was discarded and left to his impending fate which involves unsavory events such as financial restitution of bribes and lengthy stays in no star hotels with summary room and board.


This goes to show that the British Crown's plan to preserve its authority, wealth, final power and extravagant civil lists were perhaps well served by using Cloned British Royals or loyal lieges but that they could not further their influence across the entire continent. Unfortunately for us, this is going to be done now, not through the British Royal Bloodline Illuminati Satanist stooges of the Devil, but by these evil forces themselves. This is the man who is now at the Top of the Pecking Order for today's dominant Continent.


Alien Golem Herman van Rompuy nicknamed "The Goblin"



The man we were spared the rule of, and through whom the misnamed false British Windsor Queen Elizabeth II and correctly named German Saxe-Coburg-Gotha demon possessed bloodline sought to consolidate her role as an Alien lackey, is himself the clone of former British King George IV.


George IV and Tony Blair



Looking at his twin descendent



Rich and Fat or Lean and Mean



There is definitely a distinct Clone Conspiracy where our Political Leaders are bred and groomed to rule over us at the service of Illuminati Bloodlines and today even more directly than ever for an Alien Occupant.


We should observe very closely who is picked as the next "Regional President" be it for Africa, Latin America, Asia or another Continent. If the situation in Europe is a precedent, it will most likely be a direct control of our World Affairs by the Aliens themselves. Clones were apparently a transitional phase in awaiting to run the show directly. Those in secondary positions of power ALL KNOW THIS. They all know and none dare speak, none have the courage to warn us of the danger befalling humanity. Remember this when comes the time for apologies.


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Originally posted by someotherguy
About 1/2-way, David Icke talks about Repts:

Thanks for the link. What David Icke says is that there is already today on Earth a Massive Alien Presence. This confirms what we are seeing. He mentions that the current Royal Bloodline or cloned Royal Bloodline leaders and celebrities are what he terms "Half Humans" meaning hybrids between humans and aliens due to historical genetic manipulation and cross breeding. What we are also seeing is fully possessed Clones, with 100% Alien Beings inhabiting their bodies, and we are also today seeing plain old basic GHOULS or Goblin types such as European Council President Herman van Rompuy.





Apparently he has no character, no soul, and vows to never have any form of conscience weigh in on matters of vital importance to the hundreds of millions of people with whose destiny he has been entrusted with by the treacherous cloned leaders of the European Community.

Here is a posting which bears a significant implication for our current research into a globally manipulating Extraterrestrial presence among Earth's leaders of Aliens and their agents. It refers to these Aliens as having created an alliance between numerous shadow governments behind the scenes worldwide. While the report refers to the human elements who act as direct accomplices to this Alien Invasion as being members of a Military Industrial Complex running our governments from behind the scenes and associated with a certain Alien power, we should consider from the evidence in our own research that this human Alliance with demonic Aliens is at a higher level than the stricto-senso Military Industrial Complex.


It is an alliance between the Illuminati and the Aliens.


The demon possessed royal bloodlines and cloned leaders are the class of Illuminati highest degree Masonic Luciferian satanist ALLIES OF THE ALIENS.

The report distinguishes between these extraterrestrial races on the basis of their belonging to one of either two distinct groups. The first group contains extraterrestrial races with which ‘shadow governments’ responsible for extraterrestrial affairs, have reached agreements with and even collaborated in a number of joint projects.

The extensive set of interlocking agreements between these races and the ‘shadow government’ in the US and elsewhere suggests the existence of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex of interests.


Motivations and Activities of Extraterrestrial Races

This is an alarming report which I had already read over a year ago but considered to be highly speculative and without significant evidence to sustain its allegations given that we were still far away from any form of UFO disclosure. But they don't need to disclose what is dangling in front of our eyes every time there is a conference of our cloned leaders, or now when we see them in the form of poorly disguised Aliens such as Herman van Rompuy President of the Council of Europe. He warned us that the "dissidents would be dealt with" only we don't know if this means that we will be summarily executed, arbitrarily imprisoned on false charges, or eaten as Goblin food.


However, this report states that there is another group of alien races who seek to help us surmount this situation and extract ourselves from the clammy claws of those Alien monsters fomenting Satanism and inhuman acts of barbaric proportions.

There is also a second grouping of extraterrestrial races that lie outside of this web of clandestine agreements between extraterrestrial races and ‘shadow governments’/national security agencies. Most ‘contactees’ report these races to be ‘friendly’ to human interests suggesting a more ethical approach to the challenges confronting humanity as it prepares for the truth about the extraterrestrial presence and challenges posed by advanced extraterrestrial technology.

Significant Extraterrestrial Races Interacting with Humanity

The source for this information is person who spent 22 years in the United States Army and was involved in covert extraterrestrial operations in that capacity. Clifford Stone shared his knowledge of our current extraterrestrial situation over a decade ago, revealing a total of 57 extraterrestrial races known to the US military.


A second military source, Bob Dean, made the following declarations after working at SHAPE allied forces headquarters in Europe at the height of the Cold War.

There was a group that looked exactly like we do. There was a human group that looked so much like us that that really drove the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had contact with them, there had been abductions, there had been contacts. These people looked so much like us they could sit next to you on a plane or in a restaurant and you'd never know the difference. And being military and being primarily paranoid, that bothered the generals and the admirals a little bit. That the fact that these intelligent entities could be involved with us, walking up and down the corridors of SHAPE, walking down the corridors of the Pentagon. My God, it even dawned on a couple of them that these guys could even be in the White House!

Enough said, this should help others here weigh very carefully their dissent when scoffing of the idea of a Clone Conspiracy, such technology being within human reach and mastery at this time and having been obviously within the reach of any more advanced civilizations visiting us in former times.


It also explains the conspiracy of silence surrounding the Elite Illuminati accomplices of these demonic beings, they are scared out of their wits at being the next meal at one of their rituals, or worse yet. Otherwise they are so perverse that they actually enjoy their Pact with the Devil.


Next time you read about Illuminati satanism, the CIA running child abduction rings, Masonic occult rituals summoning demonic spirits, the Military Industrial Complex running countries from behind the scenes or witness your own elected politicians using their usurped power to the benefit of this demonic Alien Occupation of Earth instead of to defend your safety and sovereignty, take it back!


This is our World. It is not theirs to sell out to Alien Invaders.

The military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex (MIEC) of interests currently controls most information concerning the extraterrestrial presence; and dominates government institutions around the planet, financial interests, the mass media, and is responsible for systemic global problems.

Michael E. Salla, Exopolitics: Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial Presence, chs. 2 & 3.

Short Greys might be the Aliens race most involved in the Clone Conspiracy. "According to Col Corso, the Grays were involved in agreements with the Eisenhower administration that military officials saw as a form of ‘negotiated surrender’, where the Grays gained permission for abducting civilians and ‘expanding’ their biological program."


This means that Greys have been actively engineering our Cloned Leaders, Cloned Presidents and Premiers as shown in Sarkozy's portrait by his father.



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We saw above the evidence of the Alien Grey in his portrait of President Sarkozy - the French President is eloquently pointing at the Alien Grey inside his head - painted by the alleged "father" of his possessed cloned bloodline ruler alleged "son".





We also remember the viewing of Alien Greys in George W. Bush press conferences, once in front of the White House with the Alien standing indoors and seen through the window in the video feeds of several different TV networks, and again during a press conference held inside the White House, with the Alien in front of the President, located next to the filming TV camera and seen reflected in the window to the right of the screen.


Small Grey indoors behind G.W. Bush Clone



Grey reflected to the right of G.W. Bush Clone



This posting is a call for video or other forms of evidence establishing that our current world leaders, Cloned Presidents and Premiers, are being manipulated and controlled by Aliens.


Thanks in advance for your contributions!


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Here is a conference briefing about John F. Kennedy working to get to the bottom of the Military-Industrial-Extraterrestrial Complex secret government and plot to control Earth.


Michael Salla in November 2009 - Part 2



One of the conclusions is that JFK was killed for trying to create a joint cooperation between NASA and the Soviet Space Agency to deal with the Alien question.


This exposure links the CIA with the Alien takeover of World Governments. It also shows that Psychological Warfare was Kennedy's key to accessing Alien information in the Rogue Intelligence Agencies, because their Mind Control Psychological Operations were directly related to the Alien Agenda.


In Part 3 Michael Salla exposes the MJ-12 Draft Directive in a letter by CIA Director Allen Dulles which implicitly states the assassination of President John F. Kennedy using what is known today as a "Wet Team".


Michael Salla in November 2009 - Part 3



In Part 5 Salla reveals that the day after Khrushchev's agreement on a joint US/USSR Space Collaboration on November 11th, 1963 Kennedy issued National Security Action Memorandum 271 sent to the NASA Administrator titled "Cooperation with the USSR on Outer Space Matters".


The same day Kennedy sent the CIA Director a recently declassified Top Secret Memo titled "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security". In this memo he stated "I would like an interim report on the data review no later than Feburary 1, 1964."


Michael Salla in November 2009 - Part 5



We must remember, as stated in this conference, that James Angleton was in charge of the Alien Operations and UFO Files as Head of the CIA's Counter Intelligence Corps. Angleton was present with the Dulles brothers at the founding of the CIA by the merger of the United States Navy OSI and the Nazi Intelligence Organization of Reinhart Gehlen, who officially went on to head the CIA's international operations at former I.G. Farben Headquarters in Frankfurt Germany with a full Nazi staff. James Angleton is also noted for having founded the Mossad before founding the German spy agency the BND.


From his key role as coordinator between the Nazi secret service, the Zionist Mossad agency and the US Industrial Military Extraterrestrial Complex, James Angleton was probably a shill for the Alien Invasion Agenda. Hitler with his satanic occult beliefs, his close ties to British Intelligence Operative and leading satanist Aleister Crowley, his obsession with ancient archeology and mystical ruins, and his experimentation with cloning and building his own UFOs, namely the well known 3 series of Hannebu troup transport saucers, had claimed to have had contact with a Master Race of Superior Beings.


Hitler was an agent for Alien world domination using the Nazi human extermination machine as a plan to clear the planet for occupation by another species. CIA director George H.W. Bush was yet another such agent of the Alien plot to take over the Earth under the revised guise of the New World Order, a renaming of the former Thousand Year Reich. The new team running the invasion force has again rebaptized it Global Governance to quote its current front man Alien hybrid or full-fledged Alien who is the latest walking Belgian Joke, Herman van Rompuy "NOMINATED" by Treasonous Cloned Alien Accomplices as President of Europe.


Hitler is dead, but the ANTI-HUMAN Alien agenda is alive and kicking in Presidential Palaces the world over. They have infiltrated all intelligence agencies, they are among the top brass in the military, they are CEOs of Multinationals, the run the news networks and media brainwashing centers, they are among the satanist Illuminati elite of Royal Bloodlines and they have cloned many of our leaders and celebrities.


We do not yet have details of their ultimate agenda, but from what they have already done and are doing today, it is clear that it is not an endeavor to benefit humanity or to free our destiny from the cruel yoke of economic and governmental slavery. They have dumbed down education, they have poisoned our water and food supplies, they have drugged our bodies and are brainwashing our minds, they have abducted, mutilated, violated and genetically engineered innocent victims, they have cloned the dead and the living, they have replaced our leaders and idols with robotoids, clones and unleashed possessed mind controlled Golems in positions of power and influence. They incessantly wreak havoc on humanity and as such should be considered our common enemy to be opposed and combated with all means at our disposal.


Kennedy tried to save us from the Alien Nazi Zionist plot to replace the human presence on Earth with Extraterrestrials served by genetically engineered clones slave races. Our extinction is planned and their Eco-Fascist Globalist Agenda would have us mourn for lost species of insects while they work away at extinguishing us.


We have been clearly warned by their use of Royal and Presidential Clones, and we must respond. All motions to act upon this information are vividly encouraged, both in a concerted manner and in autonomous ways. However, the utmost care must first be taken to ensure that those put into question are indeed either Aliens or their Agents. This thread is only meant as an indication of a process. All photos and allegations within it are only intended to point to the distinct possibility of such an occurrence. No certainty has been established for any of the personalities in question, and such certainty must be first determined before any irreversible actions are taken.

Originally posted by Getsmart
It is an alliance between the Illuminati and the Aliens.

Something I've been trying to work out is whether it is an alliance, or whether the Illuminati ARE the aliens.

This is an alarming report which I had already read over a year ago but considered to be highly speculative and without significant evidence to sustain its allegations given that we were still far away from any form of UFO disclosure.

I think the ET Motivations has some good information, but I'm a little skeptical about Bob Dean & some of the others who have military backgrounds. They may have had access to good information, but they may also be disinfo agents. Also, I don't agree w/ something it said about Vishnu/Krishna coming from Vega. According to the Hindu texts, the "highest heaven" where the "gods" are from is called Brahmaloka.

...Janah, Tapah, and Satyam constitute Brahmaloka, or the highest heaven, where fortunate souls repair after death and enjoy spiritual communion with the personal God, and at the end of the cycle attain liberation, though a few return to earth again...

HINDUISM
by Swami Adiswarananda
Part 4
www.ramakrishna.org...

My information is that the "gods" come from a place called Lukr, which is close to Loka linguistically-speaking (& related to "location"). Brahman is what they call the Creator God. I don't know much Sanskrit, but I'm guessing Brahmaloka = "place of God?" But anyway, the beings known as the Hindu "gods" are helping us. I'm kind of surprised no one really talks about them. That article was one of the few places I've seen them mentioned...

Anyway, the article is good in that it helps us focus on some of the players. It looks like these guys are cooperating in the clone conspiracy to control/manipulate the masses - w/ the Draconian Reptilians sitting at the top of the hierarchy:

Short Grays (Zeta Reticulum & Orion): genetic experiments, cloning and creation of human-Gray hybrids

‘Tall Grays-Whites’ (Orion): Genetic experiments, creating a hybrid human-Gray race

Indigenous Reptilians (Earth): Manipulating human elites

Draconian Reptilians (Alpha Draconis): Controlling human elites, manipulating Grays and Earth Reptilians

(from the Report on ET Motivations)


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[edit on 2-1-2010 by someotherguy]

Originally posted by someotherguy

Short Grays (Zeta Reticulum & Orion): genetic experiments, cloning and creation of human-Gray hybrids

‘Tall Grays-Whites’ (Orion): Genetic experiments, creating a hybrid human-Gray race

Indigenous Reptilians (Earth): Manipulating human elites

Draconian Reptilians (Alpha Draconis): Controlling human elites, manipulating Grays and Earth Reptilians

Hi Someotherguy,


Thankfully you always arrange to rendez-vous in this thread to help the exploration advance. I wish others would join in constructively, maybe in time...


The above list was known to me years ago and it led me to cough and jeer bemusedly. Now I see its importance as a possible determination of their point of origination and their likely appearance. However this list, which might be perfectly accurate, fails nonetheless to explain why they are here and what they're really up to. Messing with us, for sure. But with what goal in store for our destiny as a genetically modified species? Humans are fast becoming the latest GMO. A slave race? We've been that as far back as history can show, with only a fleeting illusion of freedom in recent decades. Food for Aliens? They wouldn't be poisoning their own food supply. Purveyors of genetic material? They've had plenty of time to collect tons. An experiment? Some weird lengthy laboratory test to say the least. Do they see us as just Containers grown to host invading Alien souls flown in from outer space ?


This last option seems to stick best. It might also help to explain the presence on Earth for centuries of satanic occult rituals of demonic possession and the use of genetically engineered bloodlines most prone to possession.


While they could just use clones, they'd take time and money to grow. It is likely that the Alien souls seeking to be hosted on Earth are so numerous that we could refer to them as Legion. Legion is the name used by Occultists indulging in demonic possession ceremonies to describe the Devil which is called upon to take possession of the sorcerer's or witch's body and mind.


The Aliens are here to steal and destroy our Souls, take over our bodies and minds and rule Earth.


Are Clones reserved for the hosting of Elite Aliens groomed for leadership positions? This would explain the use of Cloned leaders and celebrities. They are the Alien Elite used to further the Alien cause and granted "The Good Life" here on Earth with total access to the full advantages of money, power and fame.


So we can probably say that once a Leader has become Possessed, they are an ALIEN. We can say that once a Celebrity has been cloned and replaced, they are an ALIEN. We can assume that most if not all of the Illuminati are ALIENS, at least their leaders, those remaining human in such an inhuman organization suffering a thousand deaths and risking at all times their physical and eternal life. Whether Possessed or Cloned, the Royal Bloodlines are probably Alien either by Origin or by recent Arrival.


To reply succinctly to your question we must consider the strong likelihood that the Illuminati 13 families along with the Committee of 300 families are an ALIEN COLONY on Earth. Either ancient or more recent, either reviving through family history their unearthly origins or directly in contact with extraterrestrials, they are doing the work of Aliens AGAINST HUMANITY.


Throughout the past ten thousand years of Earth's history the Illuminati bloodlines have enslaved humanity, exploited us, massacred and tortured us, imprisoned us and treated us as so many heads of cattle. This is typical of the colonization of a subservient species.


Genocide is not a natural social exchange within any species in nature. Mankind is no worse than animals, who do not wage war against one another or engage in cruel and unusual punishments against their own species. War is the work of Aliens culling the herd. Slavery is an invention of Aliens to subjugate humanity, harnessing their every movement to a titled master or to a tax man and credit card company. Political authority is their tool of direct oppression and the State has become their Farm. Financial wizardry is used to fabricate false motives and fictional conditions for the human experience, subjugating all enterprise to the arbitrary rule of the dominant Alien power. Religious and cultural manipulation are so many links in the chains which bind our movements, cloud our minds and distract our senses to prevent us from waking up and getting smart.


THE ILLUMINATI ARE THE ALIEN INVASION.



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Have been reading this and the Doppleganger thread piecemeal over the past 12 hours or so. Will have to re-read more fully when time allows -- and look forward to doing so

Thank you for these threads and for all the time and effort that's gone into them. Obviously the OP and principals know all the information they've so generously provided here, so it's for others they've devoted so much time and effort. Greatly appreciated

It does seem though (don't you feel?) that if taking over the world was the agenda, then they would and could have done so eons ago, with ease

When we read old texts, we see that 'they' (whatever they are) have been visiting earth and making their presence known for a very long time. The old church in the UK, for example, which sports (or did for considerable time) a heavy anchor near the entry -- said to be tangible evidence of one of these altercations between humans and literal aliens

It's claimed that parishoners on their way to the church were astonished to see a sailing ship making its way across the sky a few hundred feet (approx.) above the surrounding countryside. Witnesses claimed that the occupants of the sailing ship waved to the humans below. Several of the humans grabbed the rope from which an anchor dragged, in an attempt perhaps to hold the ship fast, or perhaps intending to climb up to the ship.

According to accounts, the ship kept going through the sky. It's a while since I read the story, so perhaps the ship picked up pace in an attempt to evade the earthlings. Whatever the case, it's said that several humans fell from the rope and back to earth, at which point (from memory) the aliens released the anchor and rope which also fell to earth, with the anchor being dragged to a point outside the entry to the church as testimony to the event

Wish I could remember which book detailed this account. If I find it amongst my collection, I'll post it, although the passage of time has dimmed my memory at the same time as my library has increased

Regardless, there are numerous similar accounts which have been passed down to us throughout the millenia -- too great a number, imo, for all of them to be false

Therefore, with technology which has appeared always to be contemporary yet slightly in advance to our own, it would seem that these non-human entities could at any time have established themselves as overt rulers of humanity or ... destroyed humanity, had they so wished

Atrocities of course are the grist of history: Vlad the Impaler being a particularly gory episode despite being just one example of the demonic tantrums thrown by seeming humans who nevertheless displayed few if any human characteristics such as basic compassion

The window-tax imposed in Britain is another example of barbaric rule under which humans have had to labour and suffer and there are still old dwellings which even today reveal bricked-in cavities as mute evidence of the reality of the window tax which caused so many deaths through consumption, etc

Serfdom, feudalism, slavery, etc. All evidence that earth, throughout recorded history, has been basically a hell for its human occupants

Seems to me that those who've imposed this hellish existence have done so because they wanted to, were able to and enjoyed it

Little wonder that many lose their religion.

So perhaps that is the agenda ?

And as many would be aware, when God or The gods appear to have failed humankind, some turn to the dark arts

Doubtless, the dark gods and their human accomplices are only too willing to assist

So, the question is, basically -- is the situation any worse now than in the past ? Or does it merely appear to be worse through the agent of mass communication ?

The depravities of the Inquisition, for example -- as dark and foul as anything currently occurring on earth ?

Continued next post

Continued from last post


So ... are these entities really intent upon seizing control of Earth and disposing of its human occupants ?

Or is it business-as-usual, with Earth being a last-ditch post held by creatures determined to prevent as many souls as possible from escaping a particular dimension ?

Not making myself very clear. Apologies. Writing in a rush

But, it seems to me (at times) that this dimension or 'place' which we call Earth (and it doesn't matter which) is the final war-zone -- the final grab for souls before they 'lift off'

Maybe older belief systems guessed as much. Whatever the case, the truth or message appears to have become garbled -- very possibly deliberately so, so that humans (or whatever we actually are) are programmed (basically) to believe that this (earth, dimension) is the be-all and end-all --- the 'only' life, the 'only' of God's creation, the centre of all

Whereas, this dimension/earth may well be the last chance for many -- a final opportunity to redeem themselves or be forever condemned to a cyclic and hellish material world controlled (through the eons) by opportunistic dark forces who themselves have been expelled forever from the higher dimensions (?)

At the same time, entities (brave, compassionate missionary types) may volunteer to spend time in this dimension/Earth in order to support and save as many as possible (?)

Then again (because the possibilities are endless) it may be that the dark forces are prevented from seizing total control of this planet or its occupants, by (take your pick)

Maybe these dark forces don't have as much power as we give them credit for possessing, but nevertheless push the envelope to its ultimate boundaries, like a bunch of depraved criminals who call in all favours and exploit every form of corruption -- all the while driven by a strong sense of survival ? They may appear unstoppable. But are they ? LOL. No. They're bullying cowards, for sure. But there are lines they're unprepared .. afraid .. to cross. Or --- they would have done so eons ago

Looks as if we're in a very tough school, here, at the mercy of cowardly, brutish gangs.

We're also at the mercy of their propaganda

They want us to believe they are all-powerful

Obviously they are NOT

So chins up ! It's bad, but it's winnable. It's always been winnable. Humankind limps from one war to the next. But They will never seize victory. Because .. it seems very clear that 'victory' will not be allowed them

Like a bunch of dummy-spitting thugs, they're determined to make it as painful and difficult for us as they possibly can. And that's all they can do. That's the most they can do

We, on the other hand, have the opportunity to escape this hell-hole. 'They' can never leave, by the looks of it

We win

They lose

I like that. It's just. We appreciate justice, don't we ? And that's just one of the characteristics that automatically places us head and shoulders above Them

Welcome to the discussion, Dock9!

Originally posted by Dock9
At the same time, entities (brave, compassionate missionary types) may volunteer to spend time in this dimension/Earth in order to support and save as many as possible (?)

I get that there is a distortion in the energy matrix here, which negatively impacts everyone everywhere in the universe. Some entities are incarnating here to try to repair the distortion by raising the energy vibration. It is, fundamentally, a battle between light & dark very much like that depicted in Star Wars. JMO

opportunistic dark forces who themselves have been expelled forever from the higher dimensions (?)

Some say that the Repts are from 4th dimension. Some of the light-beings are coming in from the higher dimensions.

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Hi Dock9 and thanks for taking the plunge and helping decipher the vast riddle of our human existence in this battlefield called Earth.


You have well resumed much of what might be concluded from extensive research into these matters. I definitely prefer your conclusions over mine. Please note that I often take a hard stand to ensure that my ideas face the consequences of contradictory logic and confrontation with evidence. They are open to revision, and I hope to be able to bend the impression of an ongoing invasion by Aliens. However their presence among us is difficult to deny due to ancient texts and more recent accounts.


There is also a muddled area which needs to at one point be clarified, it is that of the physical Alien presence versus the psychic demonic presence on Earth. Just how dissociated these two are is hard to establish. Someotherguy's earlier link to a Bhagavagita analysis of dimensions, planes of existence or alternative inhabitable planets if you prefer, does much to bridge this gap, and we know how Indian religious texts do refer more than anywhere else to sky visitors in spaceships from the heavens. Also, my statements about religions as sources of brainwashing were directed towards heavily edited and propagated scripture dogma and not proponents of genuine spiritual insight meant to nurture an individual exploration of reality.


While as Someotherguy I am very suspicious of any Military testimonials - - given that officers might lie if given the order or face execution for treason and given that the higher you rise in the Military Industrial Extraterrestrial Complex the greater the likelihood you would propagate intentional disinformation about the Alien Agenda - - there are voices among seemingly humanist members of the intelligence community who think a shift is on the way. The following article concurs with what some elements in the intelligence gathering game claim to be factual, that the Obama agenda, despite all its falsehoods and apparent betrayals is aiming at a reversal of this phenomenon. I remain skeptical but open minded.


U.S. military is liaising with extraterrestrial life according to independent sources


This article claims that there is today an independent bridging ongoing between the Obama Administration and forces loyal to Democratic American Institutions who are entering into direct contact with the Alien beings who have been associated with the Secret Government for the past half century. This means that there might be a genuine Strategic onslaught on the Military Industrial Extraterrestrial Complex aiming at ending the oppression of demonic Illuminati Alien controlled satanists.


We can only hope that this is not another disguised form of simulated reform, to better impose a Globalist Alien Agenda on humanity while defusing our apprehensions and quelling our calls for disclosure. Is this a theatrical operation or are we in genuine times of change? Time will tell, but as Dock9 points out, we will win in the eternal endgame, unless John Lear is correct in assessing that the Moon is used as a soul prison to permanently abduct us upon exiting our Earthly bodies.


John Lear's theory regarding the "Soul Collector"


His theory is unusual to say the least, but might not be entirely contradictory with what we have been considering as possible from other standpoints. Whatever the facts which may some day in the future become widely known, little can be verified today so we must work harder at considering the most diversely plausible theories and confronting them with one another and with our own subjective understanding of worldly events.


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GetSmart, Someotherguy

This is an ambitious thread, but why not ? I vastly prefer this, your holistic approach. Those in control would doubtless prefer that we (we generally) should focus upon the elephant's foot or leathery skin or eyelids, etc. in isolation, whereas you're attempting to encompass the sum of the parts in order to better understand the beast

Getsmart, I do understand your choosing deliberately to adopt a 'hard stand', as you say, with regard to much of the material open to discussion here. Nothing's achieved as a rule, be it in trade or war, unless someone is prepared to lay it out in order negotiation can commence

I'm not sure I have a great deal to contribute, unfortunately. I'm growing old and have passed through countless enthusiasms and theories. That's one of the problems humankind is compelled to confront: our limited life-spans. When we're young, we have little patience with history as taught in school. We believe 'our' time is the most momentous. And we tend to believe (even if we don't give the conviction a lot of thought) that all things will be 'solved' & discovered in our time.

UFOs didn't begin in 1947 though, nor aliens, although they certainly grabbed attention then, which has continued and increased to the point they've become tantamount to religion, for many

Ease of mass communication has had the effect of shrinking the world and this has been exploited by those who control the mass media. People want to see UFOs, want to believe. First They create the need. Then they supply to that created need

Far more people most probably now scan the skies for sign of deliverance via this or that race of aliens than pray to 'saints', for example. And the number of supposedly reliable 'authorities' (State and Church) who have encouraged this new belief system, is unprecedented

But then, cannot most religious teachings and claims be interpreted, if we choose, as communication with/from 'aliens' ? So perhaps little has changed throughout thousands of years, apart from the names ? Substitute aliens for angels and demons, perhaps, to see that everything old becomes new again ?

Our time scale may, for all we know, constitute mere seconds for other entities. In which case, they may peek at Earth and its inhabitants and sigh, ' Oh, same old same old. They're still stuck in the Good vs Evil pattern, only now they've substituted good/bad aliens for their long-held conviction they were pawns of God and Satan. Nothing to see here. It will be ages before they graduate to accepting responsibility for their condition, let alone recognise they don't have a condition and that it's all illusory '

The legend of St.Germain, for example, indicates at least a suspicion held by the 'common folk' that certain creatures had the ability to transcend Time. Yet people were no more credulous five hundred years ago than people of today, despite that there's a tendency to regard those from the 'olden days' as simpletons

The Dali Lama is believed by followers of the faith in question to be the reincarnation of his predecessor and it's far from unique apparently, with many cultures sharing similar beliefs

And this belief of continuity within certain ranks is echoed even within the Bible, which claims that people once lived lives of several hundred years' duration

It would be a mistake, imo, to dismiss myths and legends or 'fairy' and 'childrens' stories, 'nursery' rhymes, etc. When things endure down through the centuries, it's for good reason (again, just my opinion)

Paul vs Faul ? Yes, I'm convinced the original Paul was replaced. Well, it's a no-brainer, isn't it ? You simply need only to look at the original (as opposed to the altered, so-called 'original') photos and film of the genuine Paul, to see the horrifying truth of the lengths to which They will go. At the same time, the extensive plastic surgery tends to contradict cloning

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quote Getsmart: 'There is also a muddled area which needs to at one point be clarified, it is that of the physical Alien presence versus the psychic demonic presence on Earth. Just how dissociated these two are is hard to establish'

Yes, clarification would be appreciated and not only with regard to extraterrestrial aliens, so-called

For example, 20-plus years ago, I had an experience which is almost impossible to classify, involving what would be described as gnomes. I could find dozens of illustrations in children's books which would render them quite accurately

There were perhaps half a dozen of them, both male and female and, appearance aside, the experience was similar to many reported 'alien' scenarios

There were no drugs or alcohol involved. The experience was of approx. 15 minutes duration. For ten years I didn't tell anyone, at which point, to my astonishment, I learned another member of the household had seen the same gnome-like creatures and like me, had said nothing to anyone about it for years

Ten years later again, wanting to create a record of the experience but not knowing to whom I could report it without being regarded as crazy, I finally reported it to a UFO research society. They said they'd received no similar accounts before. Then, very shortly afterwards, the society's spokesperson contacted me to say that within days of receiving my account, they'd been contacted by someone from an entirely different State who, with another witness, was observing very similar creatures in their home as they spoke on the phone. The two witnesses were close to hysteria, as I had been after the gnome-type creatures departed

Do I believe my experience was a dream ? No

Do I believe it was an hallucination ? Possibly. If so, it was an hallucination imposed upon me by the entities

Did I believe in such creatures prior to the experience ? Absolutely not

Do I believe the entities were physically present during the experience ? Impossible to say. They certainly appeared 'real'

Was there any physical, tangible evidence of the experience ? I don't think so. It didn't occur to me to look for any

Do I believe the above experience actually occurred ? I have no doubt whatsoever

T.C. Lethbridge theorised, based on his many experiments with pendulums, that 'Heaven is about the height of an average room above us, and slightly to the left '

Lethbridge also took considerable interest in precognition and theorised, in his book, Power of the Pendulum that, in common with so much in Nature, that Time was spiral and wound its way down to us/this dimension/Earth in spiral form, manifesting here in our dimension events, etc., which had already occurred elsewhere

Those who've experienced accurate precognition are unable afterwards to regard life as they did previously .. or at least that's been my own reaction

There are those who claim or believe that precognition provides merely a framework and that it's possible to alter the outcome. I don't agree with that belief. At least, it has not been my own experience

Should add that I'm not a fan of Fate. In fact, it tees me off. Nevertheless, experiences of precognition (very accurate) have compelled me to accept that in some instances at least, the future is already written. Yes, it tees me off.

Apart from that and far more importantly, of course, is the question which deserves to be shouted, i.e., WHO, WHAT is determining our future and WHY ? Why, if there exists 'free will' ? WHY, if there exists anything approaching justice ?

Do we sign a contract agreeing to accept what transpires when we inhabit human form ? Or do we have no choice .. ever ? Are we cattle ? Part of a game ? Who's game ?

What are we ? We need to know

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Originally posted by Dock9
UFOs didn't begin in 1947 though, nor aliens, although they certainly grabbed attention then, which has continued and increased to the point they've become tantamount to religion, for many

Quite true. There are accounts of vimanas - flying machines - in the Mahabharata from ancient India.

A Tribute to Hinduism - Vimanas
A Tribute to Hinduism
In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called Vimanas. India's national epic, The Mahabharata, is a poem of vast length and complexity. There are no physical remains of ancient Indian aircraft technology but references to ancient flying machines are commonplace in the ancient Indian texts. Several popular ancient epics describe their use in warfare. Depending on one's point of view, either it contains some of the earliest known science fiction, or it records conflict between beings with weapons as powerful and advanced as anything used today.

www.ufoevidence.org...
[more at that link]

But then, cannot most religious teachings and claims be interpreted, if we choose, as communication with/from 'aliens' ?

Yes, this is what I believe. The names of some entities have been recorded, albeit in a form that is somewhat altered from the true name. For ex: Rafael, Michael, Vishnu, Siva, etc.

The Dali Lama is believed by followers of the faith in question to be the reincarnation of his predecessor and it's far from unique apparently, with many cultures sharing similar beliefs

From my experience w/ past life regression, I do believe I've (& others) have been engaging in "body-hopping." It's simply b/c our true nature is infinite, or at least of longer longevity than the physical body we inhabit here.

It would be a mistake, imo, to dismiss myths and legends or 'fairy' and 'childrens' stories, 'nursery' rhymes, etc. When things endure down through the centuries, it's for good reason (again, just my opinion)

Agreed. There is truth in the old tales, even if they have become distorted over time.

Paul vs Faul ? Yes, I'm convinced the original Paul was replaced. Well, it's a no-brainer, isn't it ? You simply need only to look at the original (as opposed to the altered, so-called 'original') photos and film of the genuine Paul, to see the horrifying truth of the lengths to which They will go.

I'm so glad more & more people are seeing it. I've taken a special interest in that one.

Originally posted by Dock9
quote Getsmart: 'There is also a muddled area which needs to at one point be clarified, it is that of the physical Alien presence versus the psychic demonic presence on Earth. Just how dissociated these two are is hard to establish'

Yes, clarification would be appreciated and not only with regard to extraterrestrial aliens, so-called

This is what I think. Entities may be present here in this plane, but unless they have a body, they cannot interact w/ anyone. So, they may see & hear everything that happens, but unless they have a physical body, no one can see them. I think the light-beings can & will manifest a body for themselves in the usual way. Dark ones may or may not manifest a natural human body, but I am sure that they will take over an already existing body by means of "possession." I know someone personally who suffered just such an attack. She is perfectly sane & rational, but for a 10-day period, she battled w/ a dark being for control of her body. Luckily, she knew what was happening, & could call on spiritual help to get rid of it. She hasn't had any problems since.

For example, 20-plus years ago, I had an experience which is almost impossible to classify, involving what would be described as gnomes.

I've had several experiences w/ a cat "ghost." The cat had a physical presence. It had weight & I could feel it move. I just couldn't see it. I think it existed just outside of my visual range of perception, but I could pick up on it w/ my other senses. Many times while sleeping, I've suddenly seen entities that have startled me awake. I could still see them momentarily while my eyes were open. I think I'm just seeing other-dimensional beings that you can't normally see in a waking state.

Those who've experienced accurate precognition are unable afterwards to regard life as they did previously .. or at least that's been my own reaction

This is true. I've had my own experiences w/ pre-cognition - visions, feelings, dreams, or just being told stuff that is going to happen.

Apart from that and far more importantly, of course, is the question which deserves to be shouted, i.e., WHO, WHAT is determining our future and WHY ? Why, if there exists 'free will' ? WHY, if there exists anything approaching justice ?

Do we sign a contract agreeing to accept what transpires when we inhabit human form ? Or do we have no choice .. ever ? Are we cattle ? Part of a game ? Who's game ?

Actually, I think some of us, at least, incarnate here w/ a game plan - that we plan on doing certain things, going certain places, & meeting certain people. Maybe just the "big" events are pre-planned, while all the day-to-day minutiae is left open. I just know for myself that certain big events in my life were pre-destined - probably by me coordinating w/ others so that certain things would happen.

What are we ? We need to know

IMO, souls come from different places & different dimensions in the universe. A soul could be thought of as an "alien" being, if it doesn't originate from 3rd dimensional Earth, right?

' What are we ? We need to know '

Eustachen tubes, Tail bones, incidences of Webbed feet, 'Fish Skin' condition, etc., all indicate non-human or 'animal' ancestry

More and more, actual animals are being discovered to possess 'human-like' emotions. For example, it was recently announced that it had been discovered that 'cats possessed human-thinking' (scientists' term) equivalent to say, a two year old human child. Dogs have been known to starve to death, rather than depart their dead master's/mistresses' side -- that's noble, that's loyalty ! Herds of mammals (elephants, cows) have been known to organise and respond to a distressed younger animal (Cow Rock on the Scottish Coast, for example, where hundreds of years ago, this heroism and concern on the part of cattle was exploited by crofters in order to get cattle to swim across deep, current-ravaged rivers: they placed a calf on a rock on the opposite side of the river). And so on

So, basically, animals have demonstrated repeatedly, despite being compelled to walk on four legs and despite the inability to speak to us, that they are capable of the same type of thought processes as humans. And they often display far more noble sentiments than humans.

Humans, for their part, carry within their physical bodies their animal ancestry.

But for every noble, decent human there's an ignoble, disgusting comparison, i.e., a Kissinger, a Cheyney, a Rumsfeld, a Blair, an Ayotollah Khomeini, a Ted Bundy, a porn 'kingpin', an IDF or US or UK soldier exploiting his uniform and arms to rape, murder, torture and afterwards go back to base to laugh, drink and phone home

Put the soldier in a smart suit, get PR people to gloss him up and put a saccharine script before him on the teleprompt --- and you have a powerful politician pushed to ultimate power by equally disgusting, inhuman cabals and business/military/etc. interest-groups

Do Big Pharma, Big Business, Big Insurance, etc. rape humanity in equal measure to the low-life soldier raping the six year old child in the bombed out ruins ? No question about it, is there ?

Give Big Business and the Big Politician etc. sufficient power and assure them they will not be held accountable, and they will willfully destroy millions of humans before lunch -- and enjoy increased appetite to boot

You take the Big Politician, blood dripping invisibly from his hands as he gnaws chicken and ask him: ' What happened to you, son ? You used to be a nice kid. You wanted to be a veterinarian when you grew up. What happened to you ? '

He stares back at you from behind dead eyes and sneers: 'Nothing happened. I got smart. I got powerful and rich. I got rich and powerful backers and friends. This world is for the ruthless. If it's there on a plate before you, you grab it -- if you have a brain. If I don't do it, someone else will. Or they'll do it to me. You live this filthy life once .. although some of us can postpone death almost indefinitely these days thanks to organ transplants, etc. So why crawl on your knees when you can skate like a king, huh ? I'm smart. I grabbed the opportunities. You would too, if you could. So don't preach to me. If what I'm doing is *SO* bad .. why hasn't your god stopped me .. huh ? LoL '

And the little kid still in the bombed-out ruins, stares at you with hard eyes too, ' The movies make US soldiers look like nice guys, like heroes. So why did the soldier rape me ? What did *I* do to him ? Where was God when he was doing it to me and when he was killing my mother and burning my sister ? Where WAS God then ? Where were the angels ? I have nothing to eat or drink. I hurt. But the soldiers have lots of food and drink. Why didn't God help me ? Why doesn't God give me food ? Why doesn't God take care of my village ? I was loyal to God. I prayed and fasted. I believed. Now I hate God more than the Americans '

Who could blame the boy

Originally posted by Dock9
I'm not sure I have a great deal to contribute, unfortunately. I'm growing old and have passed through countless enthusiasms and theories. That's one of the problems humankind is compelled to confront: our limited life-spans. When we're young, we have little patience with history as taught in school. We believe 'our' time is the most momentous. And we tend to believe (even if we don't give the conviction a lot of thought) that all things will be 'solved' & discovered in our time.

Dock9, you have contributed significantly to the puzzle in the form of the glue which holds it together. Maybe we aren't barking up the wrong tree, if our personal subjective perceptions of the issues fuse into a converging vision. Thus we may not have it entirely wrong, even if we can't get the full picture accurately framed or sufficiently focused to satisfy our urge to learn.

Originally posted by Dock9
But then, cannot most religious teachings and claims be interpreted, if we choose, as communication with/from 'aliens' ? So perhaps little has changed throughout thousands of years, apart from the names ? Substitute aliens for angels and demons, perhaps, to see that everything old becomes new again ?

Our time scale may, for all we know, constitute mere seconds for other entities. In which case, they may peek at Earth and its inhabitants and sigh, ' Oh, same old same old. They're still stuck in the Good vs Evil pattern, only now they've substituted good/bad aliens for their long-held conviction they were pawns of God and Satan. Nothing to see here. It will be ages before they graduate to accepting responsibility for their condition, let alone recognise they don't have a condition and that it's all illusory '

This brings us to consider why the Alien Greys, the Watchers are often seen to act like Guards in our Prison Planet. If this were the case, then we would have to consider that when they are heard to refer to us as "Containers" it would mean that our physical bodies are punitive traps for condemned souls, limited mobility bodies used as carceral soul prisons in the penitentiary rehab program run on this planet.

Originally posted by Dock9
The legend of St.Germain, for example, indicates at least a suspicion held by the 'common folk' that certain creatures had the ability to transcend Time. Yet people were no more credulous five hundred years ago than people of today, despite that there's a tendency to regard those from the 'olden days' as simpletons...

...And this belief of continuity within certain ranks is echoed even within the Bible, which claims that people once lived lives of several hundred years' duration

It would be a mistake, imo, to dismiss myths and legends or 'fairy' and 'childrens' stories, 'nursery' rhymes, etc. When things endure down through the centuries, it's for good reason (again, just my opinion)

I cannot say much about living several centuries, except to confirm that there are numerous accounts of people living far beyond the usual life span in ancient texts and even more recent history. There are those convinced that the human body was purposely changed by "other entities" from its long lasting original form adding an artificially engineered genetic modification today known as the "ageing gene" to purposely reduce our life spans. The same entities would have reduced our capacities to handicap our ability to learn, understand and potentially rebel effectively against the Earthly prison system.


Regarding the legends or historical accounts surrounding the Count of St Germain I refer you to the other thread in the Clone Conspiracy, more specifically addressing Celebrity Clones. The reason for this is that the last sign of his presence, whether fanciful or real, was in the 1970's in the person of Richard Chanfray, companion of French singer Dalida who was herself presumably replaced several times. Here is the link to that posting in the other Clone thread (currently a Placeholder Post soon to be edited with photos and text).


Dalida and the Count of St Germain

Originally posted by Dock9
The Dali Lama is believed by followers of the faith in question to be the reincarnation of his predecessor and it's far from unique apparently, with many cultures sharing similar beliefs

The Dalai Lama is believed to not be the original person who was said to have been reincarnated, but to have been replaced several decades ago by an imposter. The Geostrategic location of his country, Tibet, his utility to sway public opinion about his Chinese neighbor, his ability to influence Eastern and Western belief systems are all potential reasons for his replacement by a simulator, not to mention the possibility that a Stargate, passage to the Inner Earth or Archeological Vestiges on advanced ancient civilizations in the Himalayas which had attracted British and Nazi expeditions in the past needed protecting?


The Dalai Lama Was Replaced

Originally posted by Dock9
Paul vs Faul ? Yes, I'm convinced the original Paul was replaced. Well, it's a no-brainer, isn't it ? You simply need only to look at the original (as opposed to the altered, so-called 'original') photos and film of the genuine Paul, to see the horrifying truth of the lengths to which They will go. At the same time, the extensive plastic surgery tends to contradict cloning

They say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. While visual perception is tributary to filtering and preconceived references or analytical criteria, there are extreme cases which go beyond subjectivity and border on bad faith. While a poster on this page recently stated that he found most of the photos I have posted in this thread to look very dissimilar, possibly to the point of debunking the Clone Conspiracy theory, I believe that this was an intervention in good faith. However, the case is harder when replacing one person with another. Unlike with clones, when a number of environmental factors will cause them to look somewhat different, replacement cannot be the same individual if any noted changes in appearance cannot be explained by surgical intervention. This was the case with Paul McCartney which can be reviewed in the thread exploring the motives for his murder in 1966.


Doppelgangers, replacement body doubles are a different phenomenon from cloned individuals although clones can also be put to similar use and sometimes have, according to researchers in the Doppel boards. However it is probably easier to compare individuals presented as being one and the same, in an identical or at least similar environment or activity, than to compare clones separated from their originators by hundreds of years, different upbringings and unrelated lifestyles. Add to that their potential further manipulation by their "creators" as well as different nutrition as well as mind controlled behaviors and you have a tougher nut to crack than simply proving somebody isn't whom they claim to be. For most who believe Paul McCartney is dead, his replacement is a preposterous imposture with so many incompatible personality traits and inexplicable physical differences that he is a textbook case for Mass Social Engineering through Celebrity Mind Control.


PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney


To follow that thread you may want to take the precaution of placing on IGNORE a number of disruptive users who, despite the LOUD REQUEST at the beginning of that thread, did their utmost to disrupt it hoping to derail the discussion and get it closed. This is a recurring pattern in the case of Paul Is Dead threads in many Internet forums. There seems to be a concerted Cointelpro disinformation effort of Intelligence Operatives who are paid with our tax dollars to deceive the public and warp our minds using Propaganda and Cultural Re-engineering of our Worldview. Ignoring them is the best policy.


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Some people are just born rotten. BORN rotten. I'm guessing you've read about the nurse in NYC who began to keep a book about newborns whom she suspected of being 'born rotten'. It began when she was young and going off shift. Hospital was bursting at the seams, so newborns in their hospital cribs lined the hallway, preparatory to being placed in the overcrowded nursery.

As she passed each babe, she looked down, enjoying their newness, their innocence. Then she heard a babe cry and looked down, only to recoil in horror. Staring up at her was a foul old man, lurking in the newborn's features. Shocked to the core, the nurse made a note of this when she arrived home.

Throughout the years, she made notes each time she encountered one of these horror babies. Then, when she retired, she began tracing the lives of those children, only to discover that in almost every case, these children embarked on lives of crime from almost the time they could walk, most ending up in jail or in early and violent death

When she died, she bequeathed her diary (and accompanying notes, based on her continuing private research) to the city police, who discovered it useful in their investigations

Born-rottens are produced from noble lineage just as surely as from the ghetto. 'Nurture' does little to blunt their savagery. There are murderous pediatricians and clergy, just as their less educated/respected counterparts labour in factories

Mother Theresa a saint ? The Pope is God's emissary on Earth ? LOL

At the same time, there are those (countless) who would gladly accept a noose or bullet through the brain rather than rape, torture, kill or rob. The inherently decent have at least equal steel in their spine as the decorated soldier

So just as some are born rotten, others are born incorruptible. And again, 'Nurture' has nothing to do with it. Some of the most decent folk ever to have walked this planet were born into foul, corrupt circumstances

Not of interest to those responsible for bestowing study-grants, of course and certainly not of much interest to those intent on corrupting the entire planet at the same time they destroy it. As consequence, these anomalies fly under the radar of most, or at best are of incidental interest and soon forgotten

For example: 'Violence in the home breeds violence and criminality' ? No, it doesn't. Some of the most praiseworthy citizens and parents were subjected from birth to violence and depravity and yet went on to avoid it and to never raise a hand to anyone

How do we explain the Blairs and Bushes and similar psychopaths ? Was it 'God's Will' at work ? Or the Will of Something Else ?

Was this world designed for Peace ? Look around

Is this world a Test ? If so, Who/What set the exam ? For what reason ? To create uber-violent, depraved graduates ? Or to sift the decent from the dirt ? And *IF* the latter, then shouldn't the examiners AND decent-graduates be giving thanks to those (the dirt) who made it possible for them pass the exam ?

But, we ask if a merciful, all-knowing God would create creatures who are 'born rotten' and doomed to a life of depravity ?

And we ask if that merciful and all-knowing God would demand that the born-decent should prove themselves yet again via trial by fire and filth, here on Earth ?

Surely, there's a better model ? You or I could come up with a better model in five seconds ! For starters, how about a world where everything is NOT compelled to destroy something else in order to eat and survive ?

And how about this precognition, huh ? We're talking verified, proven precognition. It exists. I'm just one who's proved it to multiple witnesses on several occasions. Were circumstances different, I could give you their names and last known addresses. Yet it takes only ONE such instance to turn everything upside down.

cont.

Precognition is the key

Precognition makes a mockery of our lives, suffering, ideals, efforts, etc

Not much point staking one's life on the pursuit of justice, if it's already been 'decided' that justice will not prevail in that particular sphere, for example

Not much point striving to win through, if it's been decided you shall not win in that instance or in life generally

Not much point fighting nobly for a cause if it's been determined it's a lost cause that will cost you and yours everything unto the tenth generation



People don't like any of this. So they deny it and claim that 'whilst some things might have been predetermined, it's always possible to turn things around '. They like that idea a lot more. If they couldn't believe it possible to 'turn things around' --- they'd have no reason to keep on going

So, we live in denial, in hope. Only takes a bit of hope to keep people trudging on

and whatever is running this show relies on our continuing to trudge and fight on

We're 'entertainment'


But there are those who don't live in denial re: precognition -- who cannot kid themselves. Because they've seen the future before it occurred, down to minute detail. Unchangeable detail. They know, because they tried like mad to change it. It's like falling into an icy stream when it happens -- when it dawns on you that you have NOT been charting your own course

Obviously, many in the past have been forced to the same conclusions via the same means. And some of those people were smarter than average and gave it all considerable thought, subjected life to much experimentation

Nostradamus, Mother Shipton, the Braham Seer, for example, all were privy to the 'future' and became popular

But there were many more who sold and bartered their extensive knowledge to the wealthy and powerful. And they still do

Are Tony Blair and his ilk afraid of 'God' ? How could they be, when we see how they operate ? They're cowards, like draft-dodging Cheyney and Bush. So, if they believed they had anything to fear from God or the Afterlife, we must assume they would have operated differently whilst in positions of power. Yet they don't. So this is telling us something, if we care to examine it

Organised religion tells us we are personally accountable at the same time they demonstrate the opposite with regard to their own behaviours. Again, this is telling us a lot, if we care to think about it

Faul McCartney ? Well, on the face of it, he's done a pretty good job of 'presenting' Paul for several decades. The job has cost Faul his own life and identity. His handlers probably rake in 90% of the money. And anyway, Faul can only wear one shirt or eat from one plate at a time. It's cost him a world of pain re: surgery to sustain the charade. And it's much to be doubted that he was architect of the scam or killed Paul himself. In fact, some believe the real Paul is still alive, pudgy and bald and still enjoying a life of anonymity. Same goes, basically, for all those who've surrendered their own identity in order to portray dead or dropped-out royalty and celebrities. Follow the money -- to the 'managers' and 'accountants' and promoters

What we should be concentrating on is what lies behind the rubbish posing as 'life', as 'reality'. Most of us wouldn't know reality if it slapped us in the face. And how could we, when that supposed 'reality' (our Present, day after day) has already been written ? Someone we love is killed by 'accident' ? So how come the guy down the road dreamt about that 'accident' in full detail two nights ago ? 2,000 die in a mud-slide or tsunami -- but ten people dreamt about those events last week, and told their friends about it long before it happened

We're at the END of the chain, not the instigators


We need to stop blaming ourselves and devote more time and effort to identifying the instigators, the Script Writers