Originally posted by eddiemaiden_80
If she is a clone they could have at least sorted her eyes out....

Hi Eddiemaiden and welcome to the Royal and Presidential Clone Conspiracy!


Your point is of course well taken and one of the more disturbing stumbling blocks of detecting whether an individual has been cloned or not.


It has been documented that over 60 years ago the leading researcher in human cloning, notorious for his sadistic slaughtering of concentration camp twins for scientific testing purposes during WWII, was obsessed with how to change eye color. Much has since been learned about genetic encoding and today there is proprietary knowledge of the entire human genome.


Furthermore, eye color may be (undocumented speculation on my behalf) less reliable in replication given that the same parents may have natural children with a variety of eye colors, each one having some aspects of their genetic coding offering alternative eye colors activated or not. For this reason it is often the case that blue eyes skip one generation, alternating with another color.


Lastly, we already know that cartilage formation is considerably tributary to environmental factors from the womb to early and even later childhood. Thus eyes may not be identically positioned in the sockets, ears may show differences (not substantial ones) while noses and chins may have slightly different shaping. The bone structure and feature anchor points and proportions will however be very close to identical.


Another thing which remains to be better understood is whether a clone placed within a given egg may be influenced by the 'mother's genes' during development even if not integrated to the genetic encoding within its nucleus. This assumption has been raised by researchers and may help explain slightly wider divergence of some clones versus identical twins born from the same parents in the same mother's womb.


The last alternative, which you seemingly have retained as your first choice, is that some people just coincidentally look alike and we shouldn't indulge such delusions to imagine them as clones, especially when key features such as eye colors prove it impossible.


The jury is out, and will remain so for some time to come. Today nobody can affirm that Clones exist in human form and that we aren't all entertaining our bored existences with science fiction fantasies. But the high recurrence of high profile individuals who are the spitting image of their predecessors calls us to question our current knowledge of genetic transmission which cannot explain such a frequency using standard family ancestry.


For example, here is an infamous French businessman who carries an appropriate Italian name and owns the leading French company engaged in Arms Trafficking. It is noteworthy that France is the 4th Weapons exporter in the world, which will give a measure of this man's geo-strategic importance and financial empire.


Pierre Falcone and Umberto II King of Italy



He was involved in the Arms sales scandal involving many French Politicians which led to their condemnation. Among these was President Sarkozy's former boss when he was chief of staff of former French Minister of the Interior Charles Pasqua who was himself condemned to a prison sentence in this case. However, he is appealing his sentence and has good cause to trust his lucky star given his lofty Roman Heritage.


Charles Pasqua and Roman Emperor Maximinus



Another major VIP implicated in this AngolaGate scandal is the son of former President Mitterrand, cousin of the Frederic Mitterrand Clone who is the current pedophile Minister of Culture. His father Francois Mitterrand placed him in a key strategic position during his presidency, in charge of African 'cooperation' which means corruption and intrigue. We can assume he acted as his father's obedient agent defending the family fortune on a continent where the son of a Chief is honored as his father's legitimate successor.


Jean-Christophe Mitterrand in Angola



President Mitterrand, as outlined earlier, was the head of the dominant faction of French Freemasonry, and given his adornment of the French Socialist Party with a Rose as its symbol, was likely a Rosecrucian too. He erected the Illuminati pyramid in the courtyard of the Louvre Royal palace turned museum and ruled France as an absolute monarch thinly veiled in democratic garb.


You can rightly expect, as a close friend of the Rothschild, that he knew about the Clone Conspiracy, employing a number of noteworthy clones in his own governments and apparently he chose for his own son the Ultimate DNA, that of the founder of Gaul, the heroic King Vercingetorix. Here we can compare his son to that historic leader of pre-roman France.


Jean-Christophe Mitterrand and King Vercingetorix



Gaulois coin with Vercingetorix and J-C Mitterrand



There are others involved in this trial who are also presumed innocent until condemned, yet are they innocent of being cloned leaders? One such persons is the former Russian KGB Agent and current Israeli citizen, international arms trader Arkadi Gaydamak. He is cloned or was separated at birth from his twin, a less likely proposition. Who their joint DNA predecessor was remains to be established but it was no doubt a talented historic figure given their respective success in their marginal adventures.


Arkadi Gaydamak was condemned to the hefty sentence of 6 years of firm prison in the AngolaGate Arms Trade Scandal, a sentence pronounced in absentia, which means that unless he travels to France or maybe to Zurich like Roman Polanski he will remain Scott free until further notice.


Arkadi Gaydamak and David Bowie

This came up back on page 6: Is there a Faul-Emperor Justinius connection?



This really struck me today how much George looks like his correlate:







[edit on 11-12-2009 by someotherguy]

RNA can and does influence how your nDNA functions, and even which parts are activated or deactivated. You can, and do, inherit some of thes RNA factors from your mother's RNA. Your RNA can also change how your nDNA is functioning based on your environment or nurture factors. And THOSE changes can also be passed down.

mtDNA metabolic factors will influence the base genes of any person.

These factors should become more into evidence over the next 40 years, as the incidents of surrogacy go up. Even if a child is the nDNA and mtDNA biological child of a man and woman who contract a full surrogate, that fetus' DNA will be influenced by the surrogate's RNA.

That should give a much broader understanding of how RNA influences development. As will identical twins being seperated and being brought to term in different mothers, or even the same mother at a different time.

I mention these factors, because if there were cloning or constrained mating to maintain a closed genetic set, these factors would explain minor development changes.

Originally posted by Aeons
RNA can and does influence how your nDNA functions, and even which parts are activated or deactivated. You can, and do, inherit some of thes RNA factors from your mother's RNA. Your RNA can also change how your nDNA is functioning based on your environment or nurture factors. And THOSE changes can also be passed down...

I mention these factors, because if there were cloning or constrained mating to maintain a closed genetic set, these factors would explain minor development changes.

Hi Aeons, and thanks for your important contribution.


This does help explain how there are sometimes both undeniable parentage of DNA from earlier historical figures and at the same time quite puzzling differences. There appear to be a multitude of differences which however cannot entirely remove the apparent lineage of those whom we here presume to be clones.


While there were certain leaders who were not entirely mapped out identically from the invoked predecessor, they were still shown here insofar as they 'might' be nonetheless clones. For my part I had considered that it might have to do with slightly imperfect DNA tissue preserved in unknown conditions for lengthy periods of time. RNA is also now an important factor of physical construction, and also may account for a number of these minor but noticeable differences.



[edit on 14-12-2009 by Getsmart]

Originally posted by someotherguy

Are there royal clones in the entertainment industry as well? The power of the entertainment industry as a propaganda machine shouldn't be ignored...

Anne of Brittany vs. Oscar-winning French actress, Marion Cotillard

Marion Cotillard



Thanks for showing us how former Royalty is used to produce a variety of today's leaders, such as those in the entertainment industry. Some will have noticed that quite a few cultural and artistic personalities have been replaced, and that some are also clones. However, given their number it is better to restrict this thread to those with Royal or Presidential origins which makes it easier for newcomers to establish a logical flow, and for the time being keep other celebrity clones posts in the Doppelganger forum, unless we start a second thread right here in Skunk Works at ATS called

The Clone Conspiracy: Celebrity and Hollywood Clones.



[edit on 14-12-2009 by Getsmart]

No it's not, it's a link to the other thread.

Originally posted by aorAki
No it's not, it's a link to the other thread.

HI aorAki,

Thanks for alerting me to the typo, the link is now fixed!

Hi Someotherguy,

It appears that the hidden agenda resumes much of what we are today experiencing in our daily lives and in world politics. This explains what the Clone Conspiracy is about, furthering this Agenda. For others here reticent to click on links and get lost in the meanders of the Internet, I am posting that agenda in its entirety.



THE SECRET COVENANT


An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception. Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.

We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.

We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.

The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.

From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.

We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.

Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.

They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.

When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.

We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.

When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.

When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.

We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.

When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.

We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds.

We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labor.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know!

They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.

Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars.


CONTINUED...

Arkadi Gaydamak and David Bowie look completely different - and others too, sorry.