You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!, page 2

Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by Historical-Mozart
You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!

Yeah, you do, if you pay for it.

First off, Allodial title is not for personal property.

The MCO or MSO is the manufacturer's papers. Shows when and where the vehicle was built and if tariffs involved if imported. When you buy the car/truck/trailer, the MSO is turned in and you get a title in your name. If it wasn't done this way, there would be nothing to show you owned the vehicle.

I tried to read that web page with Mr. McCarthy's letters. I couldn't read it all the way through because he was being such an idiot. But, it was good for laugh when I read the response from the fella at the Motor Vehicle Bureau

Thank you for the compliment on my "candid" response to your previous letter of February 10, 1986. Please allow me one observation. The eight months you have spent in this quest could have been shortened considerably had you refrained from convoluted analogies and, in your own words, "gotten to the point a bit sooner with more honest and complete answers".

Please feel free to use any of my responses as "material evidence" when you are arrested for driving an improperly registered motor vehicle in the State of Missouri. Although the arresting officer and the court may find my letters instructional, those officers will, no doubt, quickly come to the point with an "honest and complete" request to see your Missouri certificate of registration. Of course, we know that you will not have one, because you have spent eight months gathering valuable "material evidence" from my office in order to stall application for Missouri title and registration documents. You may discover at that point that Missouri State Highway Patrol troopers are also quite "candid".

Now that's classic.

I agree with you 100% as the the writer of the story in the link provided obviously has zero clue of the language of law.

Manufacturing is the state of creating something.

Quote from Wikipedia : Manufacturing

Manufacturing is the use of machines, tools and labor to make things for use or sale.

The term may refer to a range of human activity, from handicraft to high tech, but is most commonly applied to industrial production, in which raw materials are transformed into finished goods on a large scale.

Such finished goods may be used for manufacturing other, more complex products, such as household appliances or automobiles, or sold to wholesalers, who in turn sell them to retailers, who then sell them to end users - the "consumers".

Manufacturer’s Certificate of Origin

Quote from Wikipedia : Manufacturer's Statement of Origin

A Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO), also known as a Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin (MSO), is a specified document certifying the country of origin of the merchandise required by certain foreign countries for tariff purposes, it sometimes requires the signature of the consulate of the country to which it is destined.

A Certificate of Origin is employed to certify that a good being exported either from the United States into Canada or Mexico or from Canada or Mexico into the United States qualifies as an originating good for purposes of preferential tariff treatment under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

This is the same type of demand as the Department of Agriculture demanding that a seller of produce puts the country of origin on bananas, to inform the public, thereby stating the country of origin, to better inform the public as to where their fruit is grown from, in case they want to know, as well as if they want to boycott products from that country due to their knowledge about the politics of the region.

An allodial title is nothing of the sort as previously stated in any way whatsover.

Quote from Wikipedia : Alloidal Title

Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law.

It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations.

Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever.

In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign.

That is a concept from the Middle Ages, also called the Dark Ages, where ignorance ruled due to corruption of sovereign powers, Governments, and as well the elite powers who took advantage of the ignorance of the masses.

In this case the thread is about vehicles and the misleading and misinformed populace will be easily mislead and I have to wonder the original posters intent towards people who know no better due to their ignorance of the laws of the United States.

In order to sell a vehicle, a manufacturer has to supply the M.S.O. for the vehicle, so that they can later re-sell the vehicle with a bill of sale which is the legal documentation stating someone has now purchased said vehicle and is now in possession and ownership of said vehicle.

Quote from Wikipedia : Bill of Sale

A bill of sale is a legal document made by a 'seller' to a purchaser, reporting that on a specific date, at a specific locality, and for a particular sum of money or other "value received", the seller sold to the purchaser a specific item of personal, or parcel of real, property of which he had lawful possession.

It is a written instrument which evidences the transfer of title to personal property from the vendor, seller, to the vendee, buyer.

A bill of sale is furthermore a contract of sale, a commitment of purchasing said item, vehicle, home, jewelry etc, with the intent towards ownership.

Quote from Wikipedia : Contract of Sale

A contract of sale is a legal contract an exchange of goods, services or property to be exchanged from seller (or vendor) to buyer (or purchaser) for an agreed upon value in money (or money equivalent) paid or the promise to pay same.

It is a specific type of legal contract.

This website is about Denying Ignorance not about creating more of it.

Historical-Mozart, is your intent to mislead and misdirect people, or are you trolling for free legal advice from people who actually know the law?

As far as purchasing it with money or legal tender that is a whole other matter.

I highly suggest anyone who wants to know the law either look it up in a law book for themselves or go to a website like this one for Legal Help.

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