Originally posted by SecretGoldfish
then why didn't the state of california come after me for totaling their car a few years back? total loss, insurance went right to me, not the state.

why doesn't the state pursue me for its loss?

because it was my car, that's why.

and when my sister-in-law was injured by an uninsured driver, why couldn't she recoup her loss from california?

because it's not their car, that's why.

california has a regulatory interest in my vehicle, not an ownership interest. not in any real sense anyway, only arguably in an MSO created legal fiction.

Originally posted by cloakndagger
Personal property tax is the ball and chain that keeps people in the system. If you bought a piece of property and decided to live off the grid and out of the system you would be mistaken. Where are you going to get the cash needed to pay the taxes? Gotcha.

You would have no choice but to sell some of the crops you raise in order to pay the state. It takes your labor to raise those crops so in a sense your still a slave to the system. There is no escape unless you find a country that has no personal property tax.

Originally posted by Aeons
I've got one better for you. And this applies to all common law system, and most First World legal systems.

Did you know that your parents are not your parents, and that your children's parents are not you?

You are merely a parent in location, acting on behalf of the state who is the real parent. Real law. Europe. UK. Canada. New Zealand. Australia. USA. Probably others, but I have never bothered to see how many more countries have this legal concept of society as the real parent and biological parents merely representatives on the ground.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by Historical-Mozart
You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!

If you have a birth certificate, you do not own your PERSON.

(google strawman / freeman)

This is nothing new.

If you have a marriage certificate... you have invited a third party into your marriage.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
There is a way around property taxes. If the property is owned free and clear,you create a deed of trust to yourself. Place a several million dollar lein against the property and you and your children as lein holders. Quit paying the property taxes. Before the property can be sold for back taxes the lein must be paid. Sort of like a first mortage must be met before a second mortage can recover any payment.

Originally posted by true-life
better yet. If you purchase gold and deliver to your home, you receive a nice little pamphlet that lets you know that at any point the gold may be repossessed, even that you have paid for it and it is in your possession. This is based on a law that was passed by end of WWII where the government accessed all bank deposit boxes and retrieved personal gold for government use. In a case of emergency the government can do that now.

Originally posted by Pauligirl
Yeah, you do, if you pay for it.

First off, Allodial title is not for personal property.

The MCO or MSO is the manufacturer's papers. Shows when and where the vehicle was built and if tariffs involved if imported. When you buy the car/truck/trailer, the MSO is turned in and you get a title in your name. If it wasn't done this way, there would be nothing to show you owned the vehicle.

I tried to read that web page with Mr. McCarthy's letters. I couldn't read it all the way through because he was being such an idiot. But, it was good for laugh when I read the response from the fella at the Motor Vehicle Bureau

Thank you for the compliment on my "candid" response to your previous letter of February 10, 1986. Please allow me one observation. The eight months you have spent in this quest could have been shortened considerably had you refrained from convoluted analogies and, in your own words, "gotten to the point a bit sooner with more honest and complete answers".

Please feel free to use any of my responses as "material evidence" when you are arrested for driving an improperly registered motor vehicle in the State of Missouri. Although the arresting officer and the court may find my letters instructional, those officers will, no doubt, quickly come to the point with an "honest and complete" request to see your Missouri certificate of registration. Of course, we know that you will not have one, because you have spent eight months gathering valuable "material evidence" from my office in order to stall application for Missouri title and registration documents. You may discover at that point that Missouri State Highway Patrol troopers are also quite "candid".

Now that's classic.