You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!, page 1

You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!


Many of you "own" cars, trucks, SUVs and other things that are registered with the respective state DMVs, but guess what -- you do NOT own your car, truck, SUV or anything that is registered with a DMV with which you get this BS "Certificate of Title". Seen that thing before? It used to be called a "pink slip", but now it is usually a multi-colored piece of paper that "proves" your ownership. But you do NOT own it! And why is that? Read on.


First of all, the bare basics about the MSO:

en.wikipedia.org...


The MSO is defined as:

Manufacturer's Statement of Origin [ M.S.O.] -
A new vehicle certificate which is submitted to the local DMV in exchange for a title of ownership

I got the quote from this site...

www.svpvril.com...

...that is terribly organized, hard to read and long, but it has an interesting series of letters that were exchanged from this well-informed dude with the Missouri DMV. If you can put up with it, it's worth the read. The way that it was organized really bugged me, though. Ugh.


An MSO is a document of ownership, beit a car, boat, motorcycle, whatever and, not only is it proof of your ownership of your vehicle [sic] or vessel [sic], it is also an allodial title, which means that you owe NO ONE any sort of fee, tax, registration, or anything owed to the state whatsoever. You OWN it.


It's ALL yours. Nobody can take it away from you, except a thief, which is theft... and that's exactly what the state is doing, as they have stolen your vehicle/vessel legally and their price is a yearly fee or tax that you have to pay for something that is supposed to be yours.


Now, let's take a look at the word, "allodial":

Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever.

From: en.wikipedia.org...


And from this site...

www.hiddenmysteries.org...

... is the quote below:

Tennessee Department of Revenue Operations Supervisor Denise
Rottero Told Judge Greer how Tennessee's auto registration process works.

The process begins with the "surrender" of the Manufacturer's
Statement of Origin (MSO) by the auto dealer to the Department of
Revenue in exchange for a Certificate of Title.

Asked if a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin is proof of ownership, legal title to
the automobile, Ms. Rottero said, "Yes"


"Are you telling me that ownership of an automobile must be
surrendered to the State before it can be registered?" she was asked.

"Surrender title, yes'" Rottero said.


The certificate of title to your automobile is Not title, it's merely
evidence that title exists. Your car's legal TITLE is the MSO, which the
dealer surrendered to the State. Ms. Rottero said the MSO is put on
microfilm for permanent keeping, the original is destroyed.

After the trial, spectators expressed shock that their personal
automobiles were actually owned by the state. "No wonder
state law officers stop people for no reason!" said a housewife. "If your
car's got a Tennessee plate, it's theirs, and they can do anything they
like to you!"

That's the law, but it's voluntary. No one but Judge Greer
had dared say that if you don't surrender your car to the state in
exchange for plates, you go to jail.

For years, I've fought the system in the courts and have tried to challenge them on the grounds that what they are doing is a fraud. It is, but the state just does not give a damn, as it is an excellent money-maker for them and SO few people know about it.


I thought of trying to go through the arduous process of gaining allodial title to my truck, but, even if I did succeed with this, I would have to remove the license plate and you can imagine how many times I'd be pulled over by cops over and over again and I'd have to defend myself on the road by engaging in an exchange of words that conveys to them that:

1) I'm not consenting to any conversation with them; and,

2) I immediately ask them who they are and for them to fully identify themselves and they can't, of course, so this short "conversation" usually brings in a higher-up, usually an older cop, who has seen it all, and I'd do the same thing over with the older cop and I've succeeded a few times with the older cop knowing that I was right, so he'd let me go.


But, too frequently, the younger cops just don't give a damn and they'd aggressively pull me out of my truck, slam me down, handcuff me, take me to the damn jail, tow my truck -- it is hell, pure hell to go through that. After two times of that crap, I quit and chose to hide in plain sight, paying my little fees to the damn state, making sure that I have insurance, etc.


So I'm just letting you know WHY you have to pay the state the registration fees, taxes, etc and the fact that you do NOT own your vehicle![sic]


The current system of "government" in the US sucks and the vast majority of the people who live in America just don't know how much of slaves that they are to the current system.


The fraud and conspiracy by the state governments and the respective courts committed against the American public is a massive conspiracy that should be exposed and stopped, somehow.




[edit on 22-10-2009 by Historical-Mozart]

reply to post by Historical-Mozart

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AMEN.

This is true of everything that we have. We own NOT ONE MATERIAL THING anywhere. There is no such thing as freedom. The Declaration of Independence is a farce. We do not have the right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. If we had the right to life, then we wouldn't be forced to undergo physicals for jobs, jobs that we require to make money, which we require to trade, which is needed for all the people to be able to give eachother services such as milk for furniture and what-not. If we had the right to liberty, then we wouldn't be required to do give up our lives for life, which is supposed to be an inalienable right. If we had the right to the pursuit of happiness, then we wouldn't be required to fight for our liberty, which is a very depressing war.

I would like to point out that crime started from jealousy. NOT NEED. Most crime that happens these days is due to a NEED for something. This is caused by our pathetic government. We CANNOT and WILL NOT eradicate crime. But we sure as hell can reinforce the original laws which made it possible to minimize crime back to the jealous level so that everyone doesn't have to suffer for little johnny's stupid ego-trips.

Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by Historical-Mozart
You do NOT own your car/truck/SUV!

Yeah, you do, if you pay for it.

Say what? What about the MSO, then? It is very clear that you do not own it if you have a "Certificate of Title" in place of the MSO. Period.

First off, Allodial title is not for personal property.

It isn't? Then how to you explain the existence of MSOs for the vehicles [sic], vessels [sic]? Those things ARE personal property. I have bought canoes that did not need to be registered and, guess what, I got the MSO right with it -- and that's when I first started to dig into this huge MSO conspiracy that had defrauded and ripped off so many American slaves.


Now, let's take a look at "personal property"...

en.wikipedia.org...

Personal property, roughly speaking, is private property that is movable, as opposed to real property or real estate.

In the common law systems personal property may also be called chattels or personalty.

In the civil law systems personal property is often called movable property or movables - any property that can be moved from one location to another

The underlining is mine.


A vehicle [sic] can be moved from one place to another; it comes with a MSO; therefore, it IS personal property and it can be own allodially -- IF you don't lose the MSO and if the state does not commit fraud by giving you the bullshiat "Certificate of Title".


So, I'm sorry, Pauligirl, vehicles [sic] ARE personal property.

The MCO or MSO is the manufacturer's papers. Shows when and where the vehicle was built and if tariffs involved if imported. When you buy the car/truck/trailer, the MSO is turned in and you get a title in your name. If it wasn't done this way, there would be nothing to show you owned the vehicle.

Yes, the MSO does denote location of manufacturing, etc, but it ALSO is the true and only proof of ownership of the vehicle [sic]. The "Certificate of Title" does not mean jack.

I tried to read that web page with Mr. McCarthy's letters. I couldn't read it all the way through because he was being such an idiot.

Yes, I couldn't get through it either and he had a bad, sloppy approach to this whole matter, I agree. He had the right idea, but his whole approach of how to deal with the state was very sloppy.


But the facts are facts:

1) "Certificate of Title" is NOT true ownership. Prove to me that it is and I'll eat my words.

2) MSO IS true ownership. Period.


I've been in this field of legal/law research for too many years to be mistaken on this matter and I'm 100% sure that I'm not mistaken with the points that I have made in this matter. I've talked to a number of people who were deeply experienced in this matter and they all concur totally.

reply to post by Pauligirl

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Allodial title is on land only, and it's rare. I think there are only two states that recognize it. I've done real estate for a law office for 21 years and I've never see it here in NC.

So...If you have Allodial title on your land, does that mean you wouldn't have to pay property tax on it. Am I getting this straight? And if I am, which states recognize Allodial titles on property?

[edit on 10/23/2009 by JohnnyR]

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