Traditional Americans are Losing their Nation

You can slam the source all you want to, but you can't take anything away from the actual written words. They completely explain the feelings and fears of a huge segment of U.S. society.

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Progressives are the folks who, in the 1960s, could easily understand that urban riots that took scores of lives and destroyed billions in property were an inevitable reaction to racism, poverty and despair. They could empathize with the rage of campus radicals who burned down the ROTC building and bombed the Pentagon.

The "dirty, immoral war in Vietnam" explains why the "finest generation we have ever produced" is behaving like this, they said. We must deal with the "root causes" of social disorder.

Yet, they cannot comprehend what would motivate Middle America to distrust its government, for it surely does, as Ron Brownstein reports in the National Journal:

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry. ... Asked which institution they trust most to make economic decisions in their interest, a plurality of whites older than 30 pick 'none' – a grim statement."

and this:

Moreover, the alienation and radicalization of white America began long before Obama arrived. He acknowledged as much when he explained Middle Pennsylvanians to puzzled progressives in that closed-door meeting in San Francisco.

Referring to the white working-class voters in the industrial towns decimated by job losses, Obama said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Yet, we had seen these folks before. They were Perotistas in 1992, opposed NAFTA in 1993 and blocked the Bush-Kennedy McCain amnesty in 2007.

In their lifetimes, they have seen their Christian faith purged from schools their taxes paid for, and mocked in movies and on TV. They have seen their factories shuttered in the thousands and their jobs outsourced in the millions to Mexico and China. They have seen trillions of tax dollars go for Great Society programs, but have seen no Great Society, only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates.

I bolded the part about social entitlement programs, because I wanted to emphasize why so many are against more socialism - trillions spent and it hasn't worked. So, no you can't expect people not to fight back at the prospect of throwing away even more money on what has proved to be a useless cause.

So, before you respond, try "walking a mile in my or our shoes". And before ANYONE suggests we do the same, please remember that we've all had that shoved down our throats for many years now. We get it already. Now it's your turn to get how we feel.

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If I understand you correctly, you agree with the sentiment of the article. So do you consider yourself a "Traditional American"? What does that mean? I've always felt that the strength of this country has been that being American can mean different things to different people. How does one determine a "real" American?

There seem to be a WHOLE lot of problems don't there?

The truth is there are very few problems - but they are interconnected and extremely serious.

The main problem is that America is not owned by Americans - in fact they do not even own their own persons - they are owned by the corporation of America, which in turn is owned by the globalists (NWO - Vatican, Rockerfeller, Rothschild, Merovingian etc).

A revolution is needed - and absolutely critical outcomes are required;

- the US must be declared CONQUERED by the US people, and then the people must be declared the sovereigns
- corporations must be prohibited by Constitution
- eliminate ALL laws - except Do no harm, Cause no loss
- all banks and connections to foreign banks must be destroyed - entirely
- sound money must be implemented - preferably silver and gold, it must be locally created, not by a central authority
- it must be prohibited by the constitution to lend money for interest
- the media must be held accountable for bias, deception and propaganda - penalties must be severe (death in my opinion)
- executive and legal power must be returned to the states, and local government bodies - smaller bodies with more power
- religious organizations must be prohibited from accepting tithes or donations
- a line should be drawn around the borders and all wealth inside it should belong to the people - international currency and trade flows MUST be balanced (no more offshoring, no more stealing from the citizens)
- immigration should be halted
- economic growth targets should be set to zero
- population growth targets should be set to zero

This list should fix almost all of the problems.

Originally posted by John_Brown
If I understand you correctly, you agree with the sentiment of the article. So do you consider yourself a "Traditional American"? What does that mean? I've always felt that the strength of this country has been that being American can mean different things to different people. How does one determine a "real" American?

The words "traditional" and "real" mean two different things in this context. And yes I do consider myself a "traditional American". Just one definition of "traditional American" might be "pre-political correctness".

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Good post, And I do agree it seems like the nation as a whole is slipping away in this left/right pardox, it is totally BS what PC has done to America.

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I completely agree with you. Just not on one thing. The whole religion thing. Why would we prohibit a religious institute from accepting a donation or a tithe? A donation/tithe is OPTIONAL! It would be like you accepting a donation, someone opted to give you money. Would you be required to deny it? Or that person wanting to give money to you not be allowed to give it to you. It's the same thing. It's optional, no church that I can think of mandates you pay anything, it's all optional.

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Agreed. Not to mention tithing is biblical. Maybe there could be some distinction b/w tithing and donating?

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Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to.....

Thanks. Will do. Pat Buchanan is a bigoted relic of days gone by. He harkens back to a antiquated era.

The entire premise of this biased tome wreaks of "not the America I grew up in."

Republican code speak for a predominantly white and segregated America.

Modern America is a melting pot comprised of a rich tapestry of diverse heritage.

Might as well get used to it rather than look backwards with rose colored glasses.

Nice try. Hope I didn't break too many of your "reply rules."

Regards...KK

Blacks, Latinos, and other minorities were here the same time the White ones were, so I don't really see the "traditional" American view as something valid.

I see it more as, "We're scared that America may not actually be Leave it to Beaver."

I'm confused on why the article goes on to point out why white America is afraid when the majority of welfare recipients are white Americans?

Have you ever thought that Great Society programs don't work when the government and the people allow a capitalist structure to run without any checks and balances to control the upward movement of wealth?

Originally posted by kinda kurious
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Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to.....

Thanks. Will do. Pat Buchanan is a bigoted relic of days gone by. He harkens back to a antiquated era.

Your opinion - only.

The entire premise of this biased tome wreaks of "not the America I grew up in."

Exactly - the problem with that is?

Republican code speak for a predominantly white and segregated America.

Not just Republicans and whites feel this way.

Modern America is a melting pot comprised of a rich tapestry of diverse heritage.

The major thing liberals fail to EVER understand because they believe in political correctness. America was based on multi-ethnicity, not multi-culturalism. In the past people came here to assimilate, not stay separate. Unfortunately, no longer true.

Might as well get used to it rather than look backwards with rose colored glasses.

Regards...KK

Won't always be my problem, but I do feel bad for the kids. Because of all the trillions thrown away on liberal social entitlements that never worked, they will be the first generation in a long time with worse living conditions than their parents.

This is a clear case of people being uncomfortable with change. Things change, people change, countries change. Yes, the USA is different than when the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. Thank God!

"Traditional" in this case, seems to be a label that thinly veils a racist agenda. There's nothing wrong with multi-culturalism. The fear of people that are different than you is silliness. "Traditional America" needs to move into the 21sat century. Things don't stay the same. People grow and change and PROGRESS. Deal with it.

"You must assimilate"

Silliness.

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Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to,

May do that later on but for now I will address your OP and your source.

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Progressives are the folks who, in the 1960s, could easily understand that urban riots that took scores of lives and destroyed billions in property were an inevitable reaction to racism, poverty and despair. They could empathize with the rage of campus radicals who burned down the ROTC building and bombed the Pentagon.

While i do not condone violence as the necessary answer to everything, given the circumstances and the odds against their voices being heard as a racial minority and outcast back then I dont blame the civil rights protestors for their anger. WND also left out the fact that 1000's of blacks lost their lives, the casualties of minorities were more because the laws and opposition to the civil rights movement outnumbered them. billions worth of property destroyed? What about the billions stolen off the backs of black americans over the centuries?? I think there were some acts of vandalism, damage that could not be tolerated regardless of what side, but the anger was justified back then. The alienation was real.

The times of the civil rights movement were "real" situations where people were actually barred from voting, fellow americans were barred from travelling to many places in their own nation. Barred from basic constitutional freedoms. The WND crowd who claim they are now "marginalized" have nothing compared to the circumstances of blacks at that time.

The "dirty, immoral war in Vietnam" explains why the "finest generation we have ever produced" is behaving like this,

So says the website that spouts the same anti-commie rhetoric used back then to justify these wars.

Yet, they cannot comprehend what would motivate Middle America

Comprehend? Whats there to comprehend regardring this attitude? Its insulting that you fellas are now using the civil rights movement in the 60's to justify your personal ideological reasons for trying to drive the country socially into the ditch.

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated.

Alienated? The last time I checked, around 220 million americans are registered white, thats roughly over 70% of the population. Whites still verymuch have a sway in the path of this country. Lets consider the facts and comparisons of WND crowd (whites) compared to the circumstances of blacks back in the 60's.

Back in the 60's blacks were mostly prevented from voting, literally, and individuals like Ron Paul voted to maintain voting outlets for refusing minorities.

At present whites still verymuch have the power of voting and still dictate the path of this nation. They take up 70% of the voting population. They assume 80% of federal and state governments.

back in the 60's blacks no matter what experience they had were still nevertheless rock bottom in the income and job reference.

At present there is still a large gap in income and wealth between blacks and whites and it is growing 40 years following the civil rights movement:

The result: In 2004, a typical black family had an income that was only 58 percent of a typical white family's. In 1974, median black incomes were 63 percent those of whites.

www.dallasnews.com...

and how are the ethnic groups fairing in the recession?

The low unemployment rates of the 1990s led to positive gains in the black/white income ratio. In 1995, the median black family earned 60.9% of what the median white family did. By 2000, the ratio had climbed to a record high of 63.5%. The effect of the 2001 recession and the weak economic recovery was to undo all of those gains?and then take away some more. By 2005, the median black household earned only 60.2% of the median white household, 0.7 points lower than it was in 1995. 3

www.epi.org...

and yet the white rightwing feel alienated? Im sorry but they certainly dont represent every white person in this country in this consensus. They feel their actions are the same as justified as those during the civil rights movement? What an insult for them to even compare themselves to times back then for minorities. Its rather interesting aswell as I'd like to ask where were the WND crowd during the 60s? where the hell were they during the 60's during the march against unconstitutional bars to freedom for their fellow americans?? Did you know that the vast majority of whites in southern and middle america opposed lifting unconstitutional segregation laws back in the 60s?

diminished their confidence in government, corporations

If this had really something to do with their confidence in government and corporations, WND would have popped their heads the minute Bush decided to further deregulate and invade back in 03'. But no, they kept shut until ofcourse 2008.

Moreover, the alienation and radicalization of white America

What a joke, seriously.

SG

[edit on 20-10-2009 by Southern Guardian]

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LOL i have to say this. I love how your article makes the claim of "Traditional Americans" but it's only talking about white people. Particularity that America today ain't the America from when...the 60s? 70s? 80s? 1800s? 1700s? What glories past is he trying to compare America to? Like it or not America today is alot better than it was back in the day, you know when i was FORCED to sit at the back of the bus.


So why use the subterfuge? Traditional? HAHA! What Traditional Americans did they interview and get those opinions from?

They see Wall Street banks bailed out as they sweat their next paycheck, then read that bank profits are soaring, and the big bonuses for the brilliant bankers are back. Neither they nor their kids ever benefited from affirmative action, unlike Barack and Michelle Obama

So Pat Buchanan is saying that Barack and Michelle got where they are because of affirmative action or their kids did...what a cop out and punk. I mean Pat not you OP.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Thank you baby i don't think i could have said it any better. I hope you realize that this is a prime example of modern racism and prejudice. I love how the Pat uses the "Traditional" Americans to explain his point...reminds me of Rush when he uses his own code words.

Why am i suddenly reminded of that book "The Spook Who Sat By The Door".

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Oh that's it, you are officially my friend!

2nd line

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Unfortunately the silliness lies primarily with leftist hypocritical delusions.

Reality teaches that sometimes things can REGRESS as well.

Reality also teaches 'assimilation' should ALWAYS be done by the minority culture into the majority culture---and never the reverse. (That is if we wish to avoid an apartheid era South African state...with the minority having more cultural control than the majority.)

'Multi-culturalism' is just 'erase-n-replace' and anyone with any objectivity should be able to see that.


The western worlds dogged determination to try to strengthen the weak by weakening the strong---fueled almost exclusively by an odd pathological white guilt ---is ultimately going to cause countless more harm than good.

This is the story of history for Petes sake.
When it was no longer publicly acceptable to burn witches I am fairly certain that more than a few felt their freedom and way of life was disturbed greatly. To them that marked the point in which society went awry, but here we are - had many things akin to this come and go... These children coming up are gonna make THIS current climate look like a white lenin party white lenin party in Savanna Georgia - buck up - this is how human history works. The old people changed things when they came in, spread it to some children, while the majority of youth is hell bent on creating a new paradigm.

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
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Unfortunately the silliness lies primarily with leftist hypocritical delusions.

Reality teaches that sometimes things can REGRESS as well.

Reality also teaches 'assimilation' should ALWAYS be done by the minority culture into the majority culture---and never the reverse. (That is if we wish to avoid an apartheid era South African state...with the minority having more cultural control than the majority.)

'Multi-culturalism' is just 'erase-n-replace' and anyone with any objectivity should be able to see that.


The western worlds dogged determination to try to strengthen the weak by weakening the strong---fueled almost exclusively by an odd pathological white guilt ---is ultimately going to cause countless more harm than good.

I don't think you have much contact with the youngins, you are in for a very stark surprise there bud.

"If this had really something to do with their confidence in government and corporations, WND would have popped their heads the minute Bush decided to further deregulate and invade back in 03'. But no, they kept shut until ofcourse 2008."


The heads popped up with the Bank bailouts. This is obvious- only a major act of open thievery was going to awaken the masses.

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My father was born in 1935. In Jackson Ms. He sat in the back of many buses.

Around the time he met my mom in the early fifties , he--and she--were both tired of it Im sure. So for almost two decades both my parents were two young negro's( as we were called back then) fighting the good fight. The old civil rights era in the south was my bread and butter, indeed, my entire youth without exageration, seems like one big march . I still remember staring at tar bubbles popping up on some of those old southern roads back in the early-mid 60's.

So?

So ask my dad today exactly how much 'better' things are in the old neighborhoods---sorry, I mean 'hood'.

I mean REALLY ask, really look. He has, I have. Look and see the filth, hunger, violence, abuse.. really look.

To clean up parts of west birmingham , to make fairpark safe to walk through again, to rid it of the thug-n-drug culture of my own 'people' I honestly think I personally would sit on top of the damned bus.

'Better' now? No. Our society isnt 'better' now by any standard, in anyway. Not for any of us. And I do happen to believe that is in large part due to the breaking from a traditional US culture. A culture more sane than what we now have.

And frankly, I personally dont care who the 'traditionals' are because the fact is we need more of them. Of any race. Period.