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Traditional Americans are Losing their Nation

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posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:32 AM
traditional americans? what are those?

are they the one's who abide by the traditions of denying the vote to anyone who is not white?

are they the same traditionalists who lynch black people in the south for being of color?

are these the traditionalists who are against egalitarian rights extended to all americans regardless of gender, race or creed?

If so, then we can only hope that they lose their america and it is replaced with a better america that serves ALL americans and extends rights to ALL americans.

Is traditional another new way of saying close minded racist exclusiionist?

who would want to be part of that? lol

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:47 AM

Originally posted by jibeho
In todays's society kids can no longer be kids. They are assaulted with crap on TV, radio, internet, and film. Reality this reality that. The true reality is that all of the reality is just staged for entertainment value.

Grade school kids texting, playing video games and gabbing on phones on their walk home from school is ridiculous. No one is paying attention to their surroundings any longer and people are no longer paying attention to people.

You know, I agree with you on this 100%! But if someone's kids are being "assaulted" with crap, it sounds like the parents aren't doing their job to keep them protected from it. That IS still a parent's job. This condition isn't a result of "non-traditional America". It's a result of the parents' overindulgence in their children and giving them everything they ask for and using the TV to babysit them while the adults play video games, entertain themselves or sit at the computer! Kids can't text without a texting device. They can't watch TV unless their parents let them, and they can't play video games without a pretty big investment from the parents.

Emotional disconnect is running rampant in our virtual society.

I agree and I complain about this, too. But just because something is available to us, doesn't mean we must partake! This is a victim mindset. You (generic "you") can teach your kids whatever you want them to know. But to buy every latest device on the market for your kids and then complain because they get wrapped up in them shows a total lack of accountability.

I have never owned a cell phone, an ipod, a video game console, a blackberry - I don't even know how to use ANY of them. We have choices here! If you want to teach your kids in a certain way, don't buy a TV and put it in their room alongside their ipod and wii and then cry because "Traditional America" is gone.

I honestly don't think that's what the OP or source is about anyway.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:52 AM
I'm a child of the first nations people. The original traditionals. I can say that my ancestors and generations of my family after that had their dreams stolen and their culture broken. No one speaks much of this. I've seen enough of my family go hungry and cold in the winter. They are pretty much the forgotten people in my opinion. The reservation is full of wana be gangsters who have nothing to look forward to as their grandmothers and grandfathers have little hope to give them. Only the lucky few manage to go on to do well in school and college. Some get off of the rez some only dream of it and many do not want to go. Especially the old ones who have lived their entire life there. They don't know what to do other than stay where they are and try to enjoy life as it is.

Alot of people will say to me things like the indians are lazy and why don't they move off the rez and get a real life. Let me tell you why. They love their people and their culture. It's all they have to hold on to. They don't want to move away and feel lost from all that they have in the world which is family.

We need to find ways to better the reserves and help people out of poverty because the BIA don't care. Many reserves are starting to pull themselves out of their financial difficulties with casinos but not all reserves do that well with them or it's simply not enough.

I related to someone's post about Birmingham Al being full of thugs. My reserve is full of them too. They roam around at night breaking into anything they can and steal what they can get and ride for hours to pawn it at dawn. Just to get another days worth of drugs or liquor. They encourage the young to drop school and join them. They have strayed so far away from the traditional ways.

The reserves are not the way you see them in movies. And it's not like Dances with wolves either. Wipe away all of that glamourized image and you'll find 3rd world conditions in different areas all over the country on reserves.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:53 AM
"Traditional America" was always an illusion, a drummed up image of white picket fences and ice cream sundaes at the soda shack with a dollop of ever-increasing consumption on top. That dream died in the 70's but for many it was always a nightmare. It's good to see more people are getting pissed off that they've been robbed. Wanting to hearken back to that illusion is freaking dangerous in my opinion and the sign of someone who can't admit that there aren't "Traditional Americans" or "Un-traditional Americans" just Americans, and we need to stick together.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by wanderingwaldo]

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:16 AM
Funny how some want to cry out racism against the article while spewing their own racism.... but whatever.

To me, traditional American is..

Someone who feels that in order to get where they want in life, you must work for it. If by some chance you must take a handout because of hardship, you are grateful for it (and maybe even embarrassed), not pissed because you didn't get more.

Someone who migrates here who does so to try and make a better life for themselves and their family, not to game the system and 'get theirs'.

Someone who tried to teach their children morals, not to be a useless drain on society or a criminal.

A parent who disciplines their child for doing something wrong rather than pass blame to everyone else except themselves and their child.

Someone who said what they meant and meant what they said, whether you liked it or not, rather than this political correct BS contributing to the ruination of America.

Someone who took pride in accomplishing something rather than expect someone else to do it for them or give it to them.

Someone who comes to America because they want to be an American, not so they can turn America into the same s***hole they ran away from.

Damn, I must be a racist, radical right wing extremest to have such beliefs.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:40 AM
This simple reply should be enough to make my point...

Maybe "Traditional Americans" are what is wrong with this country... So quick to want to stick to their ways when they are the sole benefactors, yet so quick to cry foul when others want to progress and help others...

"Traditional" thought is what has kept things like racism, sexism, and other stereotypical division agents alive and thriving in the supposed greatest country in the world.

Edit to add: I don't want "Traditional Americans" to have "their" country anymore... It's mine just as much as it is "theirs"... Please see this thread I started:

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Azazelus]

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:44 AM
Hmmm it seems yet again a nerve has been touched. Why are you people so quick say that the OP is either being racist/or afraid of change? I think the OP agrees change is good, and is not afraid of it, however the change that is coming on America is not good, not good at all.

I heard a black preacher the other day say this " Obama went from the great black hope, to a great white joke". Pretty intersting if I do say so...

I like change but not the change that has come to America over the past few decades. These are the " changes" that will lead to the fall of America.

1.) Mass Illegal Immigration and the subsequently non-assimilating into Americas Culture. There are many cultures here in the US, and as each culture came here to America that adapted the culture to better benefit the whole of America. On any giving day can you pick up the phone and order Italian, Greek, Russian, Chinese, and Mexican food; this is good for America. What is not good is when you have to press 1 for English. That is not good, The melting pot of America can only exist if we unify under one Langue. Now if the Government decided to create an American Langue then fine. But right now a majority of Americans Speak English, learn the langue it isn’t going anywhere.

2.) The continued growth of Americas Government, A lot of countries have tried Socialism and for some nations it does work, but I feel it cannot work in America. Free market systems work the best, Yes there is room for corruption but you have to make and enforce laws to check that corruption. But that will not happen here in the US, for two reasons, Big Union and Big Business have to many voices on the Hill, and we have too many career politicians in office holding their hands out and the Unions and Big Business more than able to pay the money. This is wrong completely and will not change until term limits in the house and senate come into play.

3.) Government Growth Continued- As are government expands it also sucks up resources, and there is nothing free, every dollar the government spends is a dollar taking from the tax payers, your money is used to for whatever reason. Now I know there are people who need help especially right now, but nowhere in the US Constitution does it allow for Welfare, as a matter of fact welfare should be ran by the states, the federal government needs to get out of that business. And allow the states to do their own thing…

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:53 AM

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
a society where alternative lifestyles are encouraged as the norm, capitalism and the capacity to earn wealth is being eliminated and the capacity to live a traditional lifestyle has been dissolved.

What you stated is contrary to obvious facts. The US continues to produce millionaires and is more capitalistic than most nations in the world, and in most places outside the Village in New York City and part of San Francisco lifestyles are 100% traditional. I can certainly say that about my parish

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:54 AM

Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to, but you can't take anything away from the actual written words. They completely explain the feelings and fears of a huge segment of U.S. society.

Exactly, a segment of U.S. society.

There are other segments. NON "traditional" people. What about them? Are they less American than you?

This thread is garbage, just political trolling and nothing more. I bet it will last 15 pages and get you 300 stars.

But that still doesn't make me or any other believer in NON "traditional" beliefs any less American than you are.

This country is ours too.

Originally posted by wanderingwaldo
"Traditional America" was always an illusion, a drummed up image of white picket fences and ice cream sundaes at the soda shack with a dollop of ever-increasing consumption on top. That dream died in the 70's but for many it was always a nightmare. It's good to see more people are getting pissed off that they've been robbed. Wanting to hearken back to that illusion is freaking dangerous in my opinion and the sign of someone who can't admit that there aren't "Traditional Americans" or "Un-traditional Americans" just Americans, and we need to stick together.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by BaronVonGodzilla]

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:03 AM
Traditional America is dead and the issue is that the conservatives just can't seem to figure it out.

It's over, and has been for 30 years or more.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:06 AM
reply to post by kinda kurious

America is no longer a melting pot.... It is very segregated... I work in customer service and there are people who I speak (try) to who know no English. How is that melting into the pot? It is staying segregated. Consider cultural differences too. They can be misunderstood and can cause trouble. I could insult someone without even knowing it in my own country, just because I have not become "enlightened" enough to make sure I know all about [insert nationality] culture (subculture). I actually have people get mad at me in my line of work because I cannot understand their broken English. How is that a melting pot? It used to be that when people came here from other countries they realized that America actually is a different country, and that to fit in they needed to, at the very least, learn the language and understand that some people might not understand them at first.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:15 AM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Why do people come here then? You mock by saying "you must assimilate" yet that is what would make it work better. There are too many barriers between us when people immigrate here (legally or illegally) only to make a copy of their home country and exclude us *gasp* white Americans! Oh the horror of being a white female of European descent in America. You know what? I dont' even know German, Polish, or Irish (my ancestry).... Why? Because I'm an American, and I have no need for it. Call me racist, I don't care, because you don't know me. I am one of the least racist people there can be. I do make an effort to learn other cultures and even a bit of other languages, because they interest me, even fascinate me, NOT because I need to. If I moved to another country, I would learn the language and be able to get on there before I went there. I certainly wouldn't be angry with them because they didnt' know English. That's ridiculous! I would happily assimilate if I moved to a country of my choosing, which is presumably what immigrants do when they come here... choose.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:15 AM
Actually, you're anything BUT a "Traditional American"

In case you need a re-education, the original, "Traditional Americans" are the native American Indians, who the whites killed-off with the exception of a few broken tribes who are now sequestered to a miniscule portion of their rightful lands.

If you're going to start casting stones - better make sure your aim is true. In this case, it's about as far off as one can get.

Do you really want to get into the religion in schools debate? Think carefully about that one, as it will not end well for your side.

The base of your point, that "Traditional America" (segregated, perhaps?) is dead and/or dying is flawed. Time has a tendency to bring about evolution, and in the case of the United States - that evolution is brought about by those that are elected who give voice to their constituents.

In other words, America is evolving into a more multicultural demographic because America wants to.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Lexxica

America is no longer a melting pot.... It is very segregated... I work in customer service and there are people who I speak (try) to who know no English. How is that melting into the pot? It is staying segregated. Consider cultural differences too. They can be misunderstood and can cause trouble.

From the sound of this posting, it could easily be assumed that you have not traveled anywhere outside the U.S.. If you had, chances are you would have been in a country where there are 2, 3, or even 4 different languages spoken and nobody bats an eyelash.

It's widely considered the norm to have a multilingual population in the rest of the world. America's nationalistic "English only" unwritten rule is the exception.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by shrike071]

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:19 AM

Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to, but you can't take anything away from the actual written words.

Actually I can and will do both. I will slam the source first...
WND makes Rush Limbaugh look like Walter Cronkite.
Even right leaning journalists refer to WND as World Nut Dailey.
It is the National Inquirer of political commentary...actually the Nat. Inq. got the John Edwards story I think WND is actually worse than the Nat. Enq.

And the author Pat Buchanan....well what was once old is new again..
He is an idiot...A wedge artist...A man well aware that his gibberish thrives in a culture war..

Here he is 20 years ago.....Sound familiar...same BS different decade..
a keynote address at the 1992 Republican National Convention, which became known as the culture war speech, in which he described "a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America." In the speech, he said of Bill and Hillary Clinton:

“ The agenda Clinton & Clinton would impose on America — abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units — that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America needs. It is not the kind of change America wants. And it is not the kind of change we can abide in a nation we still call God's country.[17]

Okay onto the content of the article..

Progressives are the folks who, in the 1960s, could easily understand that urban riots that took scores of lives and destroyed billions in property were an inevitable reaction to racism, poverty and despair. They could empathize with the rage of campus radicals who burned down the ROTC building and bombed the Pentagon.

Progressive = endorsing murder? Death? Terrorism? Is that the gist of it? Centurion...Is this the kind of rhetoric you feel "a large segment of America" believes in?

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry. ... Asked which institution they trust most to make economic decisions in their interest, a plurality of whites older than 30 pick 'none' – a grim statement."

Okay...I get where he is going...but WTF is up with all the "whites" bit? Does skin color determine confidence in government? Or is he saying that black people feel confident in government because of President Obama's race while white people see the "reality" of the situation? OK in that context...once another white man gets elected everything will be OK for white people? WTF is wrong with him...

Pat Buchanan constantly amazes me anew with the obnoxious, hateful things he says.

So, before you respond, try "walking a mile in my or our shoes". And before ANYONE suggests we do the same, please remember that we've all had that shoved down our throats for many years now. We get it already. Now it's your turn to get how we feel.."

What to say Centurion?...What have you had shoved down your throat for many years now?

I know you want affirmation, I know that feeling when you read something that seems to articulate exactly how you feel....but I can't personally give you affirmation for this. No light-bulbs going off for me.

In my opinion it offensive, divisive, transparent rhetoric calculated to appeal to folks like yourself. It is the same kind of crap Pat Buchanan has been propigating for his whole life....

Nothing new, no revelations for me here.....Liberalism is going to destroy America!!! Conservatism will save us!!

And fyi - political correctness has been around are just bemoaning what is considered politically correct...not the existence of "political correctness"...You were likely all for political correctness when Leave it to Beaver was on the air and "Colored folks" had to use a different drinking fountain ....right?

[edit on 21-10-2009 by maybereal11]

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:19 AM
Frankly, I dont give a rats arse if white people...oh, sorry, forgot to caps it...White people are feeling like they no longer trust the government to make decisions for whit...White people.

welcome to the feeling that all other races have felt since the starting of this country besides white.

Equality...aint it a your just like anyone else, be it white, black, red, brown, yellow...

oh, and incidently, I am white, my skin tone is about the only difference between anyone else.

however, I am superior because I have ocean blue eyes...all the brown eyed people in the population shouldn't get the same rights as me imo, because I am better...because my eyes are blue...makes sense to me.

Oh traditional I miss you...why cant I own slaves anymore my lovely traditional these liberals freeing slaves and whatnot have ruined things, and this whole liberal social experiment called social security, national road system, mail, military, etc...

wnd - your daily dose of cracker crazys in E format.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:25 AM
reply to post by Asherah

Asherah.... Thank you for sharing this. It certainly is an issue that needs to be dealt with. You wrote intelligently and gently about it. What I mean by that is you didn't bring bitterness or anger into it, and you didn't insult or berate us (people in general). When I talk about subcultures coming here and needing to assimilate, I don't include the Native Americans. You were here first. I wouldn't even know how to compensate for all you've been through. It is an uncomfortable topic for me, I admit, somewhat ashamedly. True, I didn't harm you, but I am a beneficiary of the harm and mistreatment that came to your people. Anyway, thank you for bringing this into the conversation. I am humbled.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:32 AM
reply to post by shrike071

No, I unfortunately have never had the opportunity to travel. I have no money, never have... always been a "poor" person. I don't resent that, I'm just saying. My priorities do not include being wealthy. I would love to travel to other countries actually. If I ever got a chance to go, it would be Malawi and Viet Nam. I have tried to learn VietNamese and Swahili... Swahili seems a lot easier than VietNamese! lol... Anyway I have a question. How do those countries get on with business? Say I speak 2 of the other languages spoken there, but I run into a person who knows 2 of the other ones spoken there, we can't communicate. I'm sure that can cause some frustration too? I know in Viet Nam they speak French too in some parts. I know French, but I thought it would be good to learn the VietNamese too, out of respect. I doubt I will ever have the opportunity to go though.
Thanks for your reply.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
reply to post by cenpuppie

My father was born in 1935. In Jackson Ms. He sat in the back of many buses.

Around the time he met my mom in the early fifties , he--and she--were both tired of it Im sure. So for almost two decades both my parents were two young negro's( as we were called back then) fighting the good fight. The old civil rights era in the south was my bread and butter, indeed, my entire youth without exageration, seems like one big march . I still remember staring at tar bubbles popping up on some of those old southern roads back in the early-mid 60's.


So ask my dad today exactly how much 'better' things are in the old neighborhoods---sorry, I mean 'hood'.

I mean REALLY ask, really look. He has, I have. Look and see the filth, hunger, violence, abuse.. really look.

To clean up parts of west birmingham , to make fairpark safe to walk through again, to rid it of the thug-n-drug culture of my own 'people' I honestly think I personally would sit on top of the damned bus.

'Better' now? No. Our society isnt 'better' now by any standard, in anyway. Not for any of us. And I do happen to believe that is in large part due to the breaking from a traditional US culture. A culture more sane than what we now have.

And frankly, I personally dont care who the 'traditionals' are because the fact is we need more of them. Of any race. Period.

That is real, and what I wanted to hear! THE story from a person that has lived it. Your answer is colorblind, the way we all should see. I hope that others can see through their veils to realize what our America has become.

posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:42 AM
The funny thing about traditional Americans, they are nothing like the Americans of 150 years ago. They too have changed over time.

How many of these traditional Americans would be willing to accept the lifestyle of those in the 1800s. Think Amish if you need an example. Though, even the Amish sometimes take advantage of modern technology as long as it is borrowed.

Even values have changed over time. Do traditional Americans still hold the traditional values that certain races are lesser humans and that women should be submissive to their husbands? Even that women should not be allowed to vote?

It may be silly to choose lifestyles and morals of the 1800s, but traditional implies unchanging. Otherwise, how can one call themselves traditional if they have adopted the lifestyle and morals of modern Americans.

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