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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:47 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by jibeho
In todays's society kids can no longer be kids. They are assaulted with crap on TV, radio, internet, and film. Reality this reality that. The true reality is that all of the reality is just staged for entertainment value.

Grade school kids texting, playing video games and gabbing on phones on their walk home from school is ridiculous. No one is paying attention to their surroundings any longer and people are no longer paying attention to people.


You know, I agree with you on this 100%! But if someone's kids are being "assaulted" with crap, it sounds like the parents aren't doing their job to keep them protected from it. That IS still a parent's job. This condition isn't a result of "non-traditional America". It's a result of the parents' overindulgence in their children and giving them everything they ask for and using the TV to babysit them while the adults play video games, entertain themselves or sit at the computer! Kids can't text without a texting device. They can't watch TV unless their parents let them, and they can't play video games without a pretty big investment from the parents.


Emotional disconnect is running rampant in our virtual society.


I agree and I complain about this, too. But just because something is available to us, doesn't mean we must partake! This is a victim mindset. You (generic "you") can teach your kids whatever you want them to know. But to buy every latest device on the market for your kids and then complain because they get wrapped up in them shows a total lack of accountability.

I have never owned a cell phone, an ipod, a video game console, a blackberry - I don't even know how to use ANY of them. We have choices here! If you want to teach your kids in a certain way, don't buy a TV and put it in their room alongside their ipod and wii and then cry because "Traditional America" is gone.

I honestly don't think that's what the OP or source is about anyway.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:52 AM by Asherah
I'm a child of the first nations people. The original traditionals. I can say that my ancestors and generations of my family after that had their dreams stolen and their culture broken. No one speaks much of this. I've seen enough of my family go hungry and cold in the winter. They are pretty much the forgotten people in my opinion. The reservation is full of wana be gangsters who have nothing to look forward to as their grandmothers and grandfathers have little hope to give them. Only the lucky few manage to go on to do well in school and college. Some get off of the rez some only dream of it and many do not want to go. Especially the old ones who have lived their entire life there. They don't know what to do other than stay where they are and try to enjoy life as it is.

Alot of people will say to me things like the indians are lazy and why don't they move off the rez and get a real life. Let me tell you why. They love their people and their culture. It's all they have to hold on to. They don't want to move away and feel lost from all that they have in the world which is family.

We need to find ways to better the reserves and help people out of poverty because the BIA don't care. Many reserves are starting to pull themselves out of their financial difficulties with casinos but not all reserves do that well with them or it's simply not enough.

I related to someone's post about Birmingham Al being full of thugs. My reserve is full of them too. They roam around at night breaking into anything they can and steal what they can get and ride for hours to pawn it at dawn. Just to get another days worth of drugs or liquor. They encourage the young to drop school and join them. They have strayed so far away from the traditional ways.

The reserves are not the way you see them in movies. And it's not like Dances with wolves either. Wipe away all of that glamourized image and you'll find 3rd world conditions in different areas all over the country on reserves.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:44 AM by poedxsoldiervet
Hmmm it seems yet again a nerve has been touched. Why are you people so quick say that the OP is either being racist/or afraid of change? I think the OP agrees change is good, and is not afraid of it, however the change that is coming on America is not good, not good at all.

I heard a black preacher the other day say this " Obama went from the great black hope, to a great white joke". Pretty intersting if I do say so...

I like change but not the change that has come to America over the past few decades. These are the " changes" that will lead to the fall of America.

1.) Mass Illegal Immigration and the subsequently non-assimilating into Americas Culture. There are many cultures here in the US, and as each culture came here to America that adapted the culture to better benefit the whole of America. On any giving day can you pick up the phone and order Italian, Greek, Russian, Chinese, and Mexican food; this is good for America. What is not good is when you have to press 1 for English. That is not good, The melting pot of America can only exist if we unify under one Langue. Now if the Government decided to create an American Langue then fine. But right now a majority of Americans Speak English, learn the langue it isn’t going anywhere.

2.) The continued growth of Americas Government, A lot of countries have tried Socialism and for some nations it does work, but I feel it cannot work in America. Free market systems work the best, Yes there is room for corruption but you have to make and enforce laws to check that corruption. But that will not happen here in the US, for two reasons, Big Union and Big Business have to many voices on the Hill, and we have too many career politicians in office holding their hands out and the Unions and Big Business more than able to pay the money. This is wrong completely and will not change until term limits in the house and senate come into play.

3.) Government Growth Continued- As are government expands it also sucks up resources, and there is nothing free, every dollar the government spends is a dollar taking from the tax payers, your money is used to for whatever reason. Now I know there are people who need help especially right now, but nowhere in the US Constitution does it allow for Welfare, as a matter of fact welfare should be ran by the states, the federal government needs to get out of that business. And allow the states to do their own thing…


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:06 AM by Lexxica
reply to post by kinda kurious


America is no longer a melting pot.... It is very segregated... I work in customer service and there are people who I speak (try) to who know no English. How is that melting into the pot? It is staying segregated. Consider cultural differences too. They can be misunderstood and can cause trouble. I could insult someone without even knowing it in my own country, just because I have not become "enlightened" enough to make sure I know all about {insert nationality} culture (subculture). I actually have people get mad at me in my line of work because I cannot understand their broken English. How is that a melting pot? It used to be that when people came here from other countries they realized that America actually is a different country, and that to fit in they needed to, at the very least, learn the language and understand that some people might not understand them at first.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:15 AM by Lexxica
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Why do people come here then? You mock by saying "you must assimilate" yet that is what would make it work better. There are too many barriers between us when people immigrate here (legally or illegally) only to make a copy of their home country and exclude us *gasp* white Americans! Oh the horror of being a white female of European descent in America. You know what? I dont' even know German, Polish, or Irish (my ancestry).... Why? Because I'm an American, and I have no need for it. Call me racist, I don't care, because you don't know me. I am one of the least racist people there can be. I do make an effort to learn other cultures and even a bit of other languages, because they interest me, even fascinate me, NOT because I need to. If I moved to another country, I would learn the language and be able to get on there before I went there. I certainly wouldn't be angry with them because they didnt' know English. That's ridiculous! I would happily assimilate if I moved to a country of my choosing, which is presumably what immigrants do when they come here... choose.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:19 AM by maybereal11
Originally posted by centurion1211
You can slam the source all you want to, but you can't take anything away from the actual written words.
article


Actually I can and will do both. I will slam the source first...
WND makes Rush Limbaugh look like Walter Cronkite.
Even right leaning journalists refer to WND as World Nut Dailey.
It is the National Inquirer of political commentary...actually the Nat. Inq. got the John Edwards story correct...so I think WND is actually worse than the Nat. Enq.

And the author Pat Buchanan....well what was once old is new again..
He is an idiot...A wedge artist...A man well aware that his gibberish thrives in a culture war..

Here he is 20 years ago.....Sound familiar...same BS different decade..
a keynote address at the 1992 Republican National Convention, which became known as the culture war speech, in which he described "a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America." In the speech, he said of Bill and Hillary Clinton:

“ The agenda Clinton & Clinton would impose on America — abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units — that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America needs. It is not the kind of change America wants. And it is not the kind of change we can abide in a nation we still call God's country.[17]

Okay onto the content of the article..
Progressives are the folks who, in the 1960s, could easily understand that urban riots that took scores of lives and destroyed billions in property were an inevitable reaction to racism, poverty and despair. They could empathize with the rage of campus radicals who burned down the ROTC building and bombed the Pentagon.


Progressive = endorsing murder? Death? Terrorism? Is that the gist of it? Centurion...Is this the kind of rhetoric you feel "a large segment of America" believes in?


"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry. ... Asked which institution they trust most to make economic decisions in their interest, a plurality of whites older than 30 pick 'none' – a grim statement."


Okay...I get where he is going...but WTF is up with all the "whites" bit? Does skin color determine confidence in government? Or is he saying that black people feel confident in government because of President Obama's race while white people see the "reality" of the situation? OK in that context...once another white man gets elected everything will be OK for white people? WTF is wrong with him...

Pat Buchanan constantly amazes me anew with the obnoxious, hateful things he says.



So, before you respond, try "walking a mile in my or our shoes". And before ANYONE suggests we do the same, please remember that we've all had that shoved down our throats for many years now. We get it already. Now it's your turn to get how we feel.."


What to say Centurion?...What have you had shoved down your throat for many years now?

I know you want affirmation, I know that feeling when you read something that seems to articulate exactly how you feel....but I can't personally give you affirmation for this. No light-bulbs going off for me.

In my opinion it offensive, divisive, transparent rhetoric calculated to appeal to folks like yourself. It is the same kind of crap Pat Buchanan has been propigating for his whole life....

Nothing new, no revelations for me here.....Liberalism is going to destroy America!!! Conservatism will save us!!

And fyi - political correctness has been around FOREVER...you are just bemoaning what is considered politically correct...not the existence of "political correctness"...You were likely all for political correctness when Leave it to Beaver was on the air and "Colored folks" had to use a different drinking fountain ....right?


[edit on 21-10-2009 by maybereal11]



reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:25 AM by Lexxica
reply to post by Asherah


Asherah.... Thank you for sharing this. It certainly is an issue that needs to be dealt with. You wrote intelligently and gently about it. What I mean by that is you didn't bring bitterness or anger into it, and you didn't insult or berate us (people in general). When I talk about subcultures coming here and needing to assimilate, I don't include the Native Americans. You were here first. I wouldn't even know how to compensate for all you've been through. It is an uncomfortable topic for me, I admit, somewhat ashamedly. True, I didn't harm you, but I am a beneficiary of the harm and mistreatment that came to your people. Anyway, thank you for bringing this into the conversation. I am humbled.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:32 AM by Lexxica
reply to post by shrike071


No, I unfortunately have never had the opportunity to travel. I have no money, never have... always been a "poor" person. I don't resent that, I'm just saying. My priorities do not include being wealthy. I would love to travel to other countries actually. If I ever got a chance to go, it would be Malawi and Viet Nam. I have tried to learn VietNamese and Swahili... Swahili seems a lot easier than VietNamese! lol... Anyway I have a question. How do those countries get on with business? Say I speak 2 of the other languages spoken there, but I run into a person who knows 2 of the other ones spoken there, we can't communicate. I'm sure that can cause some frustration too? I know in Viet Nam they speak French too in some parts. I know French, but I thought it would be good to learn the VietNamese too, out of respect. I doubt I will ever have the opportunity to go though. Thanks for your reply.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:40 AM by butcherguy
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
reply to post by cenpuppie



My father was born in 1935. In Jackson Ms. He sat in the back of many buses.

Around the time he met my mom in the early fifties , he--and she--were both tired of it Im sure. So for almost two decades both my parents were two young negro's( as we were called back then) fighting the good fight. The old civil rights era in the south was my bread and butter, indeed, my entire youth without exageration, seems like one big march . I still remember staring at tar bubbles popping up on some of those old southern roads back in the early-mid 60's.

So?

So ask my dad today exactly how much 'better' things are in the old neighborhoods---sorry, I mean 'hood'.

I mean REALLY ask, really look. He has, I have. Look and see the filth, hunger, violence, abuse.. really look.

To clean up parts of west birmingham , to make fairpark safe to walk through again, to rid it of the thug-n-drug culture of my own 'people' I honestly think I personally would sit on top of the damned bus.

'Better' now? No. Our society isnt 'better' now by any standard, in anyway. Not for any of us. And I do happen to believe that is in large part due to the breaking from a traditional US culture. A culture more sane than what we now have.

And frankly, I personally dont care who the 'traditionals' are because the fact is we need more of them. Of any race. Period.


That is real, and what I wanted to hear! THE story from a person that has lived it. Your answer is colorblind, the way we all should see. I hope that others can see through their veils to realize what our America has become.
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