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Traditional Americans are Losing their Nation

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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:41 PM
reply to post by kinda kurious

A·mer·i·can (ə-měr'ĭ-kən)
Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.

Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.

Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples.

Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals.

A native or inhabitant of America.

A citizen of the United States.

American English.

tra⋅di⋅tion⋅al Show Spelled Pronunciation [truh-dish-uh-nl] Show IPA

–adjective 1. of or pertaining to tradition.

Yes the dictionary is a fine tool.

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–noun 1. the act or faculty of apprehending by means of the senses or of the mind; cognition; understanding.
2. immediate or intuitive recognition or appreciation, as of moral, psychological, or aesthetic qualities; insight; intuition; discernment: an artist of rare perception.
3. the result or product of perceiving, as distinguished from the act of perceiving; percept.
4. Psychology. a single unified awareness derived from sensory processes while a stimulus is present.
5. Law. the taking into possession of rents, crops, profits, etc

Youre point?

posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:48 PM

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
reply to post by kinda kurious

Youre point?

My point is that you have somehow acquiesced to the notion of American superiority over all other global cultures. That your perceived self-importance mires your objectivity. That you can't capture time in a bottle and life, culture and mankind exists in a constant state of flux.

That you are but one of a billion mites traveling on a cinder through the vastness of space.


[edit on 22-10-2009 by kinda kurious]

posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 03:12 PM

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
reply to post by kinda kurious

Youre point?

My point is that you have somehow acquiesced to the notion of American superiority over all other global cultures. That your perceived self-importance mires your objectivity. That you can't capture time in a bottle and life, culture and mankind exists in a constant state of flux.

That you are but one of a billion mites traveling on a cinder through the vastness of space.


[edit on 22-10-2009 by kinda kurious]

That is 180 degrees away from what I am saying.
I do not hold a position of self importance I hold a shared position as an individual, honoring and respecting all others.
My perception is not mired.
I also am aware of the change which is life, the constant "becoming".
As well you are also another "mite" yet do you not acknowledge the influence and outcome of your choices and how they affect?

So somewhere, you assumed me to be the exact opposite, you showed a prejudice and from your self appointed higher position, without any further discovery, attacked?
Perhaps I wasnt clear enough in my conveyance.
If that be the issue, I apologize.
If it is not, then I'll re address.


posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sos37
You think Jesus Christ is the stuff of hatred, division and fear?

Read the link. If you can't be bothered, you can remain confused. Your choice.

Sounds like to me you are the one being fearful this time, BH.

I don't know where you got that I'm being fearful. Unless you made it up. Because I didn't say or insinuate anything of the sort.

I did read the link. And yes, Jesus did say "Whoever is not with me is against me."

What did you say right after your link? Allow me to refresh your memory:

"This is the stuff of civil wars. Division, hatred and fear."

What were you trying to say? It sounds like you were saying the words "If you are not with me you are against me" are divisive, hateful and meant to inspire fear. Jesus spoke them and meant exactly what it says, thus you must think he was being divisive, hateful and trying to instill fear.

I don't know what YOU think it said, but when I read American English, that's what I take your post to mean.

posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 06:03 PM

Originally posted by sos37
It sounds like you were saying the words "If you are not with me you are against me" are divisive, hateful and meant to inspire fear.

Yes, I believe Jesus was being divisive. The words may have inspired hatred and fear, too. I don't know. I wasn't there. Religion and it's dogma have cause more hatred, fear, divisiveness, oppression, intolerance, animosity, war and bloodshed than any other one source.

Moving along.

I was reading about multiculturalism as regards the "traditional American" and I thought I'd add this to this thread (listen up, Pat!):

America Must Accept Increasing Multiculturalism and End Racism

This must change. As Dalton argues, the next generation should inherit "a nation free of permanent divisions." To some extent, today's youth show a shift. Chideya notes the popularity of hip-hop by young people of all races and that "…eighty percent of teens have a close friend of another race." Increased rates of interracial marriages among younger people also signal transition.

Dalton, Martinez, and Chideya believe fear of change keeps America from the goal of a truly multicultural society, but ignoring America's transformation is impossible. As Martinez states, "…the realities of the next century demand a courageous transcendence of old assumptions." This means, as Dalton notes, "…our neighborhoods may change complexion and our employment prospects may differ." This is a small price for achieving the equality and democracy America promises.

posted on Oct, 23 2009 @ 11:33 AM
well.....I've noticed that no one who has raised objections to the original post has addressed any of the issues raised by the actual movement of "angry" Americans - ie Tea Party protestors or others who were at the G2O conference in Pittsburgh - the ones who feel they have lost their traditional America -

Granted they are not always the most articulate or coherent when raising their voices but that does not negate their concerns - and these are:

No habeus corpus - reinstatement promised by our current pres but not delivered...this is basic but it has been suspeneded so if the POTB decides that you don't get to stand in front of a judge to have your case heard - you rot in jail for as long as deemed necessary

Wholesale spying on the American people - promised to stop but not delivered -

One million names on airport terror watch list - your granny may be on it - and thirty thousand names are added each month - wtf??? sorry but this stinks to high heaven.

Abortion on demand used as birth control - ok not everyone agrees this is bad and it is legal at this point - but I've watched it grow, grow, and grow over the last forty years as a common practice and it reeks...but hey - Eugenicists are happy about it..

The sacrifice of our constitution and national sovereignty to Global treaties[Copenhagen is the latest coming up] which do not respect the democratic process and in fact circumvent them...

The painting of all criticism of the current administration in Washington as racist, and Neanderthal -

Many people look fondly on a past which actually did exist - I lived through it and the freedom and life style we have now in America is simply not comparable to what it once was forty five years ago - certain things have improved [civil rights for example] but one look at MTV and you know the world is a different place and not a specially nice one at that.. And we question the direction that the POTB is taking us...oh for shame I am told - I am a racist and a every kind of bad thing for raising criticism - Bullpucky...

if I'm Neanderthal for demanding the right to Habeus Corpus,or to have my name removed from a list which can only have one purpose [cause it ain't to catch terrorists that's for sure], or to demand that the government not capture my private mail since I have committed no crime, or demand that the Pres not sign our sovereignty away with the stroke of a pen - ooooo - or question whether the health care reform will require my tax dollars for a procedure I consider horrifically immoral ...hmmmmm..... just call me ol neanderthal shanti - :@@

Does no one have the cahones to address the actual issues instead of trotting out the race card which the media has spoon fed you and so many of you have swallowed hook line and sinker....????

posted on Oct, 23 2009 @ 11:58 AM
reply to post by realshanti

Here's a concept, it's not just the "traditional Americans" America. America belongs to everyone, not just one specific demographic.

posted on Oct, 23 2009 @ 03:16 PM
reply to post by Azazelus

Star for you!

I agree that being proud to be anything you had no control over doesn't really make much sense and implies that you wouldn't be proud to be any other kind of something.

I understand being proud of your career/position because you worked hard to get there. Or being proud of being a parent because you made the choice to be one and you think you're doing a pretty good job.

But I didn't chose to be a white female. Am I ashamed to be one? Hell no! But I'm not proud either. It's just what I am, I didn't' do anything special (that I know of) to be born the way I was. I am however proud of things I accomplished either on my own or with the help of others that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for my and others efforts.

posted on Oct, 23 2009 @ 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Typically the "left" has worked to destroy "american" culture in favor of other cultures. Whites obviously feel they are being targeted for being born white. The system has turned racist against us. So what can we do? . . White men, specifically men, represent 70+% of all jobs lost in this recession... is it any wonder they are feeling backed into a wall? Whites WILL cling to their guns, their religions, their politics will become more radical. Its natural progression of political solitude: no one represents us.

I'm wondering what you mean by the "left" has worked to destroy "american culture?

What is it that you think whites want that they aren't getting that other races are?

posted on Oct, 23 2009 @ 03:53 PM

Originally posted by realshanti
well.....I've noticed that no one who has raised objections to the original post has addressed any of the issues raised by the actual movement of "angry" Americans ... the ones who feel they have lost their traditional America -

You listed Habeas Corpus, spying, terrorist watch list, abortion, national sovereignty, none of which were mentioned in the OP or the source. This is why I asked the OP for a definition of "Traditional American", so I could address the issues.

Does no one have the cahones to address the actual issues instead of trotting out the race card

I've got all kinds of cajones, but NONE of the stuff you mentioned was in the OP or the article linked. How was anyone supposed to know what "Traditional American" means to you? What WAS mentioned was race, so that's one thing I addressed. The race card was "trotted out" in the first post in this thread, by Pat Buchanan.

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry.
With black voters going 24 to 1 for Obama, he almost surely won more votes than he lost because of his race.
They watch on cable TV as illegal aliens walk into their country, are rewarded with free educations and health care
and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on – then carry Mexican flags in American cities and demand U.S. citizenship.

If you want to start a thread addressing the issues YOU feel are important, feel free. But the definition of "Traditional American" is different for each person, I imagine, so it is impossible to address the issues of we don't even know what they are.

posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:11 AM
"Traditional" American here...who is very disgusted with the latest I read on BREITBART...that OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE MILLIONS to a MUSLIM TECHNOLOGY FUND!!!! What about US AMERICANS??? There is so much oil money available from neighboring Middle East countries that his gesture is both ridiculous and unnecessary!!! When will BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA realize that it's AMERICA FIRST!!! He swore an oath as President to serve this country and uphold the Constitution to the best of his ability, but I believe (and I mean no offense here) a child with Down's syndrome would do a 100% better job as President than OBAMA...

I can't wait until mid-term elections...PLEASE, AMERICANS!!! Show this buffoon we mean business!!! Put AMERICANS FIRST!!!

Another example, which makes me sad I am from Massachusetts...the town of Amherst has petitioned the government to have two Guantanamo "detainees" (read Sharia lovin', American hatin', terrorists, one suspected of blowing off most of a US Marine's face with an IED) relocated to their town. A home, car and job will be waiting for these two chumps...WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THESE PEOPLE'S MINDS??? The vote on this was 2-1, with two board members not even showing up to vote...HOW SAD!!!

posted on Oct, 25 2009 @ 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Parallex
Personally, I'd like to see this thread deleted and the OP warned for thinly veiled bigotry.

I'm all for Thomas Paine style 'radical pamphleting', declaring that U.S. people no longer have control of their country etc. Trying to rally the minutemen etc.

But this isn't it.

This is a continuance of a sad piece of diatribe by a tired old man, that finds himself in a world where he can't own black people or other minorities. A world where his evil, religious fundamentalist views aren't tolerated or given shrift. A world that no longer relies on rich white men to 'move and shake'.

I think the OP should go back to his porch in Mississippi and have a chew on some baccy for a while - cogitate his next slave purchase, and then perhaps read a book about human rights. You never know, he might learn something about what it is to be a TRUE AMERICAN. (You're still wearing your KKK hood by the way.)

The Para.

Since when do you think this "tired old man" owned his last slave or other minority? In a single post, you've managed to bash religion, rich white men, Mississippi and Mississipians in general, and people who chew tobacco.

I don't think the OP has anything to do with race. I think it's a good piece, and there are quite a few people that think that way.

posted on Oct, 25 2009 @ 08:59 PM
Sadly, the world Mr. Buchanan holds in his mind is one in which whites are entitled to American blessings because male whites founded the United States, dominating over any extant cultures; the "other" is to be feared; a world in which Jesus is a blue eyed blonde, Biblical persons are white, and God is a white male; in which his beloved Church has gone too far after Vatican Two and needs a "house cleaning", in order to firmly deny women or gay men the priesthood.

Even brother Buchanan's ultra cultural conservatism earned him a 1992 rebuke from fellow conservative William Bennett, who said Pat was "flirting with fascism."

Sadly, as Mr. Buchanan continued to prod his political party to retain his world's values, his party played lip service, instead choosing to cling to corporate dollars, greed, and military (which it used to further its post WW2 empire).

Corporations threw dollars at any party in power, in order to assure their power over the people. As corporate money flew over the heads of those "traditional families", it also flew over the heads of the "other Americans". We are all affected, not just Mr. Buchanan's traditional ones.

We can never go back to his perfect world, not just because it only exists in his mind, but because the world is no longer in the "American century". We cannot build a stronger America if we are divided. E pluribus unum for the 21st century is light speed away from Mr. Buchanan's world.

posted on Oct, 26 2009 @ 04:31 PM
Mr. Buchanan's world died about 1964, but he has not accepted that, and probably never will. On the other hand, the world most of the Left dreams of never existed and never will. The problem is with human nature, something all the Russ Feingold's and Cindy Sheehan's in the world will not change. People will work harder to make a difference for themselves. People will not work harder to benefit someone who's sitting on his fanny. It must be obvious even to the most wild eyed Leftist that you actually need "producers" to make an economy work. An economy made up of social workers, librarians and teachers can be summed up in one word - bankrupt. People who are hardwired to add value to an economy by producing goods and services that other people will pay for may be generous, but they will not forfeit 30% of their income to feed people who exist solely to be breeders or take up space. If this sounds fascistic to you, call me a fascist. I'll wear it proudly because I believe in personal responsibility. No work, no food. Training (or retraining) should be of no cost to the unemployed. After that, no excuses. If jobs in the private sector can't be found, public jobs should be made available and the first job candidate who claims the work is beneath his/her dignity should be shown the door with immediate termination of any aid.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
reply to post by cenpuppie

And frankly, I personally dont care who the 'traditionals' are because the fact is we need more of them. Of any race. Period.

Excellent Post.

Perhaps if the OP had defined what is meant by "traditional", there would not be as much debate.

When I think of "traditional" these words initially come to mind: courtesy, respect for others, kindness, self-reliance, honesty, integrity, charity (freely and willingly giving to help opposed to forced taxation), bravery, thrift, conservation (as opposed to environmentalism), loyalty, helpfulness, hard-working.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 05:04 PM
So what? Traditional America had it's share of problems too. We have made a lot of progress since then. The standard of living and life expectancy is much higher, we are more environmentally conscious, blacks, gays and women have (almost) equal status, we have a safety net for the poor and the unemployed, our culture has evolved and taken a life of it's own and corporate monopolies are a thing of the past just to name a few improvements. Why would anyone want to return to the racist, polluting days of old?

posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 07:43 PM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

good points and point taken - I went back and re-read the OP and your right - the race card was raised there first so I have to include the OP in my critique -and I have posted elsewhere on the issues I raised - no one ever addresses them so I guess peeps don't care and those things are A-ok with the majority - more's the pity..sigh...

You are also correct that traditional is different to different folks however there are certain values that have been trashed wholsale- I submit in evidence MTV which promotes pornography [literal ads for porn videos] under the guise of bringing "love" into your home - and its our kids who watch this garbage...again ...sigh...I'm tired -and no one seems to care except those of a religious bent and we get vilified for even bringing up the subject of morality and that there might be a better approach to sexuality than the "hook up" so popular among our youth...that's just one glaring example of traditional mores completely trashed by current culture - okay so before i stray too far off topic I'll just say thanks for your reply - onwards and sideways

posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:28 PM
For the last several years I have noticed a trend, a sad one. That is that all people in America have become increasingly dependent on Government programs and non profits, that don't deliver and churches that remain exclusive.

We stopped caring about one another. We let ourselves believe that everyone is out to get you and helping others you get scammed.

yet we claim to be christians. I do not believe in the christian church not do I listen to the Pope. I follow the true and unedited Jesus Christ. Which 90% of our chrisitan churches do not. They follow Ben Frankiln.

Jesus told us to give to those that ask and to those that seek to borrow turn them not away. He told us to love our neighbor as ourselves, to give, to love, to forgive, to NOT judge, to KNOW the truth, to believe we have already recieved. To do all that he did and greater things.

yet here we are over 2000 years later and neitheer the churches or the medical community is healing the sick or raising the dead nor feeding the multitude.

We give power to the princes of this world by believing they have more then us, more power or even more right to be alive. We believe we are seperate from each other and from God and speak and live as if this were true.

Every American is responsible, by their silence against those that seek to control and dominate us. By our giving voice to their lies and to their agenda. IF we put as much effort in to KNOWING the Truth and actually living it and speaking it right now today, regardless of appearances, we could watch the liar and his lie evaporate like a shadow at noon time.

We can only lose America if we believe there is anyone more powerrful then God to take it from us. But if we want to keep our freedom, claim it, live it, speak it, ignore the lie, deny its power. God's promises are not just words, they are in fact actual Spiritual Law. Stand on them.

Today I have only 6 days left to leave this house. It sold, I have no visible funds, no vehicle, and a shed I may not be able to take with me. No human in my country willl help us, God has closed all human doors, sadly that was not hard as most "Americans" don't help their neighbors anymore, like they did when I was a kid.

I stand on my faith that God will Provide, even if he has to drop it from the sky. Yet all the so called christians in America would rather send you to the govt, or a non profit, then actually care about their fellow Americans.

this is why we are heading toward an abyss of appearances. We stopped trusting God and each other. Jesus said the the Spirit of God dwelleth in us, and the Kingdom of God is within. God said, "Am I not God, do I not fill heaven and Earth?" Yet we think he sits on a throne somewhere out in space and not everywhere equally present.

IF he is, then there is none else and we need to claim our inheritance and stand on the truth that we are already free, well, and prosperous.

We have bitched and complained and it has not gotten better, only worse. Why not claim the truth and ignore the lie and the appearance and see what happens?

Or should we bemoan something that has not happened so it can happen and the we will feel justified in our illusion?

For to long the black community has complained about slavery, even though none of them have actually lived it. Now we are looking at the return of that condition, if we keep naming it and claiming it.

So to those who want to save the land God gave us and our God given freedoms, STOP believing in a lie. Jesus said, "Pray BELIEVING you have ALREADY received." Not that you might, but that you have.

He told us to follow Him and we can do all he did and greater, but even here we are waiting for him to come back, while he is waiting for us to catch up.

So if you want to really save America, stop bitching and get doing what is right and what is right in front of you.

posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:31 PM
Traditional americans are losing their nation you say......are you talking about the native indians? I cant see anyone more traditional than those since they was the first people there........

Besides if u done it to them why cant it be done to you back?

[edit on 4-12-2009 by loner007]

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