Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sos37
You think Jesus Christ is the stuff of hatred, division and fear?

Read the link. If you can't be bothered, you can remain confused. Your choice.

Sounds like to me you are the one being fearful this time, BH.

I don't know where you got that I'm being fearful. Unless you made it up. Because I didn't say or insinuate anything of the sort.

I did read the link. And yes, Jesus did say "Whoever is not with me is against me."

What did you say right after your link? Allow me to refresh your memory:

"This is the stuff of civil wars. Division, hatred and fear."

What were you trying to say? It sounds like you were saying the words "If you are not with me you are against me" are divisive, hateful and meant to inspire fear. Jesus spoke them and meant exactly what it says, thus you must think he was being divisive, hateful and trying to instill fear.

I don't know what YOU think it said, but when I read American English, that's what I take your post to mean.

well.....I've noticed that no one who has raised objections to the original post has addressed any of the issues raised by the actual movement of "angry" Americans - ie Tea Party protestors or others who were at the G2O conference in Pittsburgh - the ones who feel they have lost their traditional America -

Granted they are not always the most articulate or coherent when raising their voices but that does not negate their concerns - and these are:

No habeus corpus - reinstatement promised by our current pres but not delivered...this is basic but it has been suspeneded so if the POTB decides that you don't get to stand in front of a judge to have your case heard - you rot in jail for as long as deemed necessary

Wholesale spying on the American people - promised to stop but not delivered -

One million names on airport terror watch list - your granny may be on it - and thirty thousand names are added each month - wtf??? sorry but this stinks to high heaven.

Abortion on demand used as birth control - ok not everyone agrees this is bad and it is legal at this point - but I've watched it grow, grow, and grow over the last forty years as a common practice and it reeks...but hey - Eugenicists are happy about it..

The sacrifice of our constitution and national sovereignty to Global treaties[Copenhagen is the latest coming up] which do not respect the democratic process and in fact circumvent them...

The painting of all criticism of the current administration in Washington as racist, and Neanderthal -

Many people look fondly on a past which actually did exist - I lived through it and the freedom and life style we have now in America is simply not comparable to what it once was forty five years ago - certain things have improved [civil rights for example] but one look at MTV and you know the world is a different place and not a specially nice one at that.. And we question the direction that the POTB is taking us...oh for shame I am told - I am a racist and a every kind of bad thing for raising criticism - Bullpucky...

if I'm Neanderthal for demanding the right to Habeus Corpus,or to have my name removed from a list which can only have one purpose [cause it ain't to catch terrorists that's for sure], or to demand that the government not capture my private mail since I have committed no crime, or demand that the Pres not sign our sovereignty away with the stroke of a pen - ooooo - or question whether the health care reform will require my tax dollars for a procedure I consider horrifically immoral ...hmmmmm..... just call me ol neanderthal shanti - :@@


Does no one have the cahones to address the actual issues instead of trotting out the race card which the media has spoon fed you and so many of you have swallowed hook line and sinker....????

Originally posted by Rockpuck


Typically the "left" has worked to destroy "american" culture in favor of other cultures. Whites obviously feel they are being targeted for being born white. The system has turned racist against us. So what can we do? . . White men, specifically men, represent 70+% of all jobs lost in this recession... is it any wonder they are feeling backed into a wall? Whites WILL cling to their guns, their religions, their politics will become more radical. Its natural progression of political solitude: no one represents us.

I'm wondering what you mean by the "left" has worked to destroy "american culture?

What is it that you think whites want that they aren't getting that other races are?

Originally posted by realshanti
well.....I've noticed that no one who has raised objections to the original post has addressed any of the issues raised by the actual movement of "angry" Americans ... the ones who feel they have lost their traditional America -

You listed Habeas Corpus, spying, terrorist watch list, abortion, national sovereignty, none of which were mentioned in the OP or the source. This is why I asked the OP for a definition of "Traditional American", so I could address the issues.

Does no one have the cahones to address the actual issues instead of trotting out the race card

I've got all kinds of cajones, but NONE of the stuff you mentioned was in the OP or the article linked. How was anyone supposed to know what "Traditional American" means to you? What WAS mentioned was race, so that's one thing I addressed. The race card was "trotted out" in the first post in this thread, by Pat Buchanan.

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry.
...
With black voters going 24 to 1 for Obama, he almost surely won more votes than he lost because of his race.
...
They watch on cable TV as illegal aliens walk into their country, are rewarded with free educations and health care
and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on – then carry Mexican flags in American cities and demand U.S. citizenship.

If you want to start a thread addressing the issues YOU feel are important, feel free. But the definition of "Traditional American" is different for each person, I imagine, so it is impossible to address the issues of we don't even know what they are.

"Traditional" American here...who is very disgusted with the latest I read on BREITBART...that OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE MILLIONS to a MUSLIM TECHNOLOGY FUND!!!! What about US AMERICANS??? There is so much oil money available from neighboring Middle East countries that his gesture is both ridiculous and unnecessary!!! When will BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA realize that it's AMERICA FIRST!!! He swore an oath as President to serve this country and uphold the Constitution to the best of his ability, but I believe (and I mean no offense here) a child with Down's syndrome would do a 100% better job as President than OBAMA...

I can't wait until mid-term elections...PLEASE, AMERICANS!!! Show this buffoon we mean business!!! Put AMERICANS FIRST!!!

Another example, which makes me sad I am from Massachusetts...the town of Amherst has petitioned the government to have two Guantanamo "detainees" (read Sharia lovin', American hatin', terrorists, one suspected of blowing off most of a US Marine's face with an IED) relocated to their town. A home, car and job will be waiting for these two chumps...WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THESE PEOPLE'S MINDS??? The vote on this was 2-1, with two board members not even showing up to vote...HOW SAD!!!

Originally posted by Parallex
Personally, I'd like to see this thread deleted and the OP warned for thinly veiled bigotry.

I'm all for Thomas Paine style 'radical pamphleting', declaring that U.S. people no longer have control of their country etc. Trying to rally the minutemen etc.

But this isn't it.

This is a continuance of a sad piece of diatribe by a tired old man, that finds himself in a world where he can't own black people or other minorities. A world where his evil, religious fundamentalist views aren't tolerated or given shrift. A world that no longer relies on rich white men to 'move and shake'.

I think the OP should go back to his porch in Mississippi and have a chew on some baccy for a while - cogitate his next slave purchase, and then perhaps read a book about human rights. You never know, he might learn something about what it is to be a TRUE AMERICAN. (You're still wearing your KKK hood by the way.)

The Para.

Since when do you think this "tired old man" owned his last slave or other minority? In a single post, you've managed to bash religion, rich white men, Mississippi and Mississipians in general, and people who chew tobacco.

I don't think the OP has anything to do with race. I think it's a good piece, and there are quite a few people that think that way.

Mr. Buchanan's world died about 1964, but he has not accepted that, and probably never will. On the other hand, the world most of the Left dreams of never existed and never will. The problem is with human nature, something all the Russ Feingold's and Cindy Sheehan's in the world will not change. People will work harder to make a difference for themselves. People will not work harder to benefit someone who's sitting on his fanny. It must be obvious even to the most wild eyed Leftist that you actually need "producers" to make an economy work. An economy made up of social workers, librarians and teachers can be summed up in one word - bankrupt. People who are hardwired to add value to an economy by producing goods and services that other people will pay for may be generous, but they will not forfeit 30% of their income to feed people who exist solely to be breeders or take up space. If this sounds fascistic to you, call me a fascist. I'll wear it proudly because I believe in personal responsibility. No work, no food. Training (or retraining) should be of no cost to the unemployed. After that, no excuses. If jobs in the private sector can't be found, public jobs should be made available and the first job candidate who claims the work is beneath his/her dignity should be shown the door with immediate termination of any aid.

So what? Traditional America had it's share of problems too. We have made a lot of progress since then. The standard of living and life expectancy is much higher, we are more environmentally conscious, blacks, gays and women have (almost) equal status, we have a safety net for the poor and the unemployed, our culture has evolved and taken a life of it's own and corporate monopolies are a thing of the past just to name a few improvements. Why would anyone want to return to the racist, polluting days of old?

For the last several years I have noticed a trend, a sad one. That is that all people in America have become increasingly dependent on Government programs and non profits, that don't deliver and churches that remain exclusive.

We stopped caring about one another. We let ourselves believe that everyone is out to get you and helping others you get scammed.

yet we claim to be christians. I do not believe in the christian church not do I listen to the Pope. I follow the true and unedited Jesus Christ. Which 90% of our chrisitan churches do not. They follow Ben Frankiln.

Jesus told us to give to those that ask and to those that seek to borrow turn them not away. He told us to love our neighbor as ourselves, to give, to love, to forgive, to NOT judge, to KNOW the truth, to believe we have already recieved. To do all that he did and greater things.

yet here we are over 2000 years later and neitheer the churches or the medical community is healing the sick or raising the dead nor feeding the multitude.

We give power to the princes of this world by believing they have more then us, more power or even more right to be alive. We believe we are seperate from each other and from God and speak and live as if this were true.

Every American is responsible, by their silence against those that seek to control and dominate us. By our giving voice to their lies and to their agenda. IF we put as much effort in to KNOWING the Truth and actually living it and speaking it right now today, regardless of appearances, we could watch the liar and his lie evaporate like a shadow at noon time.

We can only lose America if we believe there is anyone more powerrful then God to take it from us. But if we want to keep our freedom, claim it, live it, speak it, ignore the lie, deny its power. God's promises are not just words, they are in fact actual Spiritual Law. Stand on them.

Today I have only 6 days left to leave this house. It sold, I have no visible funds, no vehicle, and a shed I may not be able to take with me. No human in my country willl help us, God has closed all human doors, sadly that was not hard as most "Americans" don't help their neighbors anymore, like they did when I was a kid.

I stand on my faith that God will Provide, even if he has to drop it from the sky. Yet all the so called christians in America would rather send you to the govt, or a non profit, then actually care about their fellow Americans.

this is why we are heading toward an abyss of appearances. We stopped trusting God and each other. Jesus said the the Spirit of God dwelleth in us, and the Kingdom of God is within. God said, "Am I not God, do I not fill heaven and Earth?" Yet we think he sits on a throne somewhere out in space and not everywhere equally present.

IF he is, then there is none else and we need to claim our inheritance and stand on the truth that we are already free, well, and prosperous.

We have bitched and complained and it has not gotten better, only worse. Why not claim the truth and ignore the lie and the appearance and see what happens?

Or should we bemoan something that has not happened so it can happen and the we will feel justified in our illusion?

For to long the black community has complained about slavery, even though none of them have actually lived it. Now we are looking at the return of that condition, if we keep naming it and claiming it.

So to those who want to save the land God gave us and our God given freedoms, STOP believing in a lie. Jesus said, "Pray BELIEVING you have ALREADY received." Not that you might, but that you have.

He told us to follow Him and we can do all he did and greater, but even here we are waiting for him to come back, while he is waiting for us to catch up.

So if you want to really save America, stop bitching and get doing what is right and what is right in front of you.

Traditional americans are losing their nation you say......are you talking about the native indians? I cant see anyone more traditional than those since they was the first people there........

Besides if u done it to them why cant it be done to you back?

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