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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:21 PM by Joey Canoli
reply to post by CaptainAmerica2012



The topic is that "every palne crash will have a gouge in the earth parallel to the direction of travel.

So what direction was the plane traveling in that photo?

What heading?

What wing roll angle?

Pitch?

Speed?

No one knows. Not even Rewey.

Just like he didn't know that crater was more than 50' wide. he BELIEVED that it was. He was certain. he argued for it. And then when he realized he was wrong, and badly, he refused to do a simple analysis.

Typical twoofie....


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:29 PM by CaptainAmerica2012
reply to post by Joey Canoli



You replies and tactics to group facts with 'no planers' is a weak tactic that is falling on deaf ears and eyes. Your debunking skills are lack luster and your claims of evidence are unfounded and sourceless.

you claim that something has been debunked but it has been proven that the dent in the earth around the round crater was present before 911. That has not been debunked and you should quit while your behind.


You suck at this. Move on to the Alien forums or something rather than trying to derail a serious topic.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by CaptainAmerica2012]


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:42 PM by Joey Canoli
Originally posted by Rewey

I'll tell you what. Give me a no b/s answer to this...

Given your understanding of how crash scenes can demonstrate kinetic energy direction, and therefore crash direction (so adequately demonstrated in Part One), what direction do YOU think the plane in the OP of this thread was moving in when it hit the ground?





If you were standing on the ground at the time of impact:

1 - at the bottom of the page: it looks like it would have been coming at a downward angle of ~40-50 degrees from the left. The wings would have been ~ level from that perspective

2 - at the left of the page: down at 70 degrees from horizontal from the right. Nearly straight down.

The blue line shows the best trace of the gouge. If the fuselage made it, there wouldn't be any deflection. Rather, the wings look upswept, like a few early jets had. And judging from the grainy pic, I'd say it wasn't too recent, maybe 50's/early 60's.

Inside the pink area, the soil looks piled higher than below the gouge. i see fewer corn (?) stalks. So there was definitely some ke "up" in the pic. Below the gouge looks more like a "splash" of dirt made by the belly of the plane. So it looks like it didn't bore straight in, but rather had some "up" elevator dialed in. Trim? Pilot didn't eject and tried to save it?

This would explain the v-shaped gouge. Either a trimmed up elevator or a pilot trying to save the plane would put a g-load on that would flex the wings some.

The gouge also looks deeper in the center, made by the fuselage, just like in Shanksville.



reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 11:59 PM by ATH911
reply to post by Joey Canoli


Where are the perfectly molded wing scars like we see in Shanks? The tail scar for that matter?

And why didn't the Shanks field have fanned-out blast marks at that field definitely shows? The Shanks field has grass too.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by ATH911]


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 12:18 AM by Rewey
reply to post by Joey Canoli



There you go – you calmed down and gave an opinion. Thanks. That star is from me. Maybe the fact that this is your 18th post in this thread, and it’s your only star, means that NO-ONE is interested in long-winded rants, mud-slinging and repeated requests for information that doesn’t exist. Now that you’ve calmed down and provided an opinion for discussion, it actually forms a valid contribution to this forum…

I just want to make sure I understand what you’re saying though. Based on the following comments, I put together what I think you’re suggesting below. I’ve overlayed the wings with the blue lines you drew.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
My opinion is that the wings made it, since there are no other wing marks there.


Originally posted by Joey Canoli
The blue line shows the best trace of the gouge. If the fuselage made it, there wouldn't be any deflection. Rather, the wings look upswept, like a few early jets had.


Originally posted by Joey Canoli
This would explain the v-shaped gouge… a g-load on that would flex the wings some.




Is this something similar to what you’re suggesting? (Using the outline of a Japanese Zero has no significance here. It’s the first outline I found of a fighter with substantial dihedral, and I liked the picture. I’m not suggesting the crater was made by a Zero).

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Inside the pink area, the soil looks piled higher than below the gouge… So there was definitely some ke "up" in the pic. Below the gouge looks more like a "splash" of dirt made by the belly of the plane.


Here I think you’re suggesting that the plane was travelling from bottom-to-top (with respect to the picture). All of the debris and ejecta covering the bottom half of the picture is backwards ‘spray’ or ‘splash’ from the impact.


Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Nearly straight down.


And here, you’re suggesting that it was a nosedive, or nearly vertical impact?

Is that roughly your estimation?

Rewey


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 07:40 AM by Joey Canoli
Originally posted by Rewey

Maybe the fact that this is your 18th post in this thread, and it’s your only star, means that NO-ONE is interested in long-winded rants, mud-slinging and repeated requests for information that doesn’t exist.


Are you serious? Who cares about stars? Only troofers care about stars, since they're all here for mutual support of their delusional rantings.

If they were serious, they'd be writing papers in their particuar field of expertise and getting them published in respectable peer reviewed journals that would actually have an impact on the general population/fellow professionals, hence getting their new investigation into 9/11. 8 yrs later..... nada. Zip. Squirt.


Here I think you’re suggesting that the plane was travelling from bottom-to-top (with respect to the picture). All of the debris and ejecta covering the bottom half of the picture is backwards ‘spray’ or ‘splash’ from the impact.

Is that roughly your estimation?

Rewey


Close.

If you were standing on the ground prior to impact, at the bottom of the page, it would come from behind your left shoulder. SO the plane image needs to be rotated counterclockwise some. Maybe 40-50 degrees.

If you were standing on the ground at the time of impact:

1 - at the bottom of the page: it looks like it would have been coming at a downward angle of ~40-50 degrees from the left. The wings would have been ~ level from that perspective

2 - at the left of the page: down at 70 degrees from horizontal from the right. Nearly straight down.
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