Originally posted by hooper
I won't say yes, no or even maybe. What I say is the material provided is not sufficient to determine anything. Are you sure this is even a photo of a plane crash?

Here's a plane crash that shows the fanning out blast aftermath that SHOULD be seen at Shanksville:

Unlike Shanksville, I see nothing that looks like debris but I also see nothing that looks like the area has been disturbed by retrieval operations either. No tire or tread marks or that kind of stuff. Just a couple of guys standing around what would appear to be a crater. Besides the link to the site, exactly where and when was the photo taken?

Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by hooper

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You saying the forest in Shanks was right up against the crater?

According to simple physics, an object traveling at an angle has a combination of vertical movement and horizontal movement. Flight 93 moving at 40º means that the plane had more SIDEWAYS (horizontal) momentum than it had VERTICAL momentum.

To the casual eye, it looked like solid, consolidated ground but in reality the reclaimed expanse was loose and uncompacted. When flight 93 hit the ground, the cockpit and first-class cabin broke off, scattered into millions of fragments that spread and flew like shrapnel into and through the trees 20 metres away.

A section of the engine, weighing almost a tonne, was found on the bed of a catchment pond, 200 metres downhill.

Some of the plane's cargo was found intact 200 kilograms of mail in the hold, a Bible, its cover scorched but its pages undamaged and later, as the excavation began, the passport of one of the four hijackers.

The rest of the 757 continued its downward passage, the sandy loam closing behind it like the door of a tomb. Eventually these pieces and its human cargo the heroes and the cowards, as a message left at the nearby temporary memorial put it ? came to rest against solid rock, 23 metres below the surface

The scene was captured in a picture taken soon after by a local photographer, Mark Stahl. Published in a magazine commemorative book, the scene is remarkable for its total absence of urgency.

The point of impact, about 10-12 metres across, is black and smoking. According to Miller it was about three metres deep. In Stahl's photograph it looks more like an excavation.

Four men stand next to the crater, one with his back to it. Two others stand nearby, next to an unmarked Chevrolet Suburban. One of the men has a hand on his hip.

Other photos taken at the scene by Miller show a small furrow, like a hand-dug drainage ditch, running back from the crater. This was the mark left by a wing.

"It was the most eerie thing," Miller recalled. "Usually, when you see a plane crash on TV, you see the fuselage, the tail or a piece of something. The biggest piece I saw was as big as this (spreading his hands less than a metre apart). It was as though someone took a tri-axle dump truck and spread it over an acre

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Rewey

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Most comprehensive account of Flight 93 comes from 2002 article in Australian newspaper THE AGE

Contains many details of the impact

www.theage.com.au...

The point of impact, about 10-12 metres across, is black and smoking. According to Miller it was about three metres deep. In Stahl's photograph it looks more like an excavation.

To the casual eye, it looked like solid, consolidated ground but in reality the reclaimed expanse was loose and uncompacted.