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Originally posted by nwodeath
Funny how it worked for me, but somehow "it only works in Internet Fantasy Land" ??? It sound like someone doesn't want the people to know something, huh?
I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you are a lawyer with no future.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by nwodeath
Hi NWO, I liked this topic, but I stopped reading at "Masonic Organization." It's a shame when people lose their credibility over something so simple!
Of course the Bar is a Masonic Organization, so are the Courts, Congress, Governmental Branches, and School System. I am a Mason, and I am amazed when I sit in any type of organized meeting from classrooms to corporate boards. They are all organized around the principles of a Masonic meeting. The founders of the vast majority of large organizations had Masonic roots. The Masonic system works!! It is not a conspiracy, it is a model and a template with proven effectiveness! Mason's also tend to be leaders in their community, and as such they have influence over how things are run.
Is the Socratic Method a conspiracy? How about the Scientific Method?
So, I think you over conspiracied yourself right out of a good argument. Better luck next time, I will continue to follow the ideas you brought forth though. I am very curious to see them in action!
Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by nwodeath
This just gave me a great idea for a book....
"How to get 3 years in prison and a $250K fine over a parking ticket."
Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by nwodeath
You missed one...
" How to take accountabilty for your own actions."
Originally posted by memarf1
reply to post by nwodeath
Did it occur to you that SOME of the conspirators are Rotary members, Fraternity members, Sorority members, AA members, etc.? Should we not only kick out the cream of society who don't disclose they are members of those organizations?
Typically people don't disclose this information because they are not asked. If I am asked if I am a Mason I proudly say yes. If I am asked if I am a member of any other organization I would answer truthfully there too.
I seriously doubt that Judges protect police or DA's protect anyone else b/c they are Masons, it is much more likely they are part of a much wider, much more "Accepted" good old boy system.
The Masons get blamed, and that really is too bad, there are soooooo many more organizations out there that SOME of the people who are on top are members of.
What about the Chanber of Commerce? They are a much more powerful organization than the Masons, I am sure SOME of the members are Masons, but there are many more that are members of nothing else, or some other organized group.
Blaming the Masons is just a stupid thing to do, there are many organizations with just as many fingers in the pie. It is Ironic though, the Masons are the "Secret" organization that gets blamed, while there are so many other organizations out there that I cannot even think of their names because they are as yet unadvertised to me!
The Masons are public, how many organizations are out there that you simply have not heard of that have great influence????? How many History channel specials have you seen about Rotary or any other lodge?????
Sheep, we are all just Sheep.
[edit on 23-10-2009 by memarf1]
Originally posted by nwodeath
reply to post by nwodeath
No disrespect towards Masons intended. I have friends that are Masons. Not all of them are bad, but you have to admit, they provide food for conspiracy researchers, and SOME are involved in the overall conspiracy.
The main problems with governments, corporations and courts, being all interwoven with Masons, is the fact of CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I would be all for Masons, if they would stay out of government politics, or at least, when they served in government, disclose they are Masons.
When you have judges and DAs protecting police officers and other crooks because they sometimes share lodge membership, that is unacceptable. When you have judges that are Masons, who also sit on the boars of large corporations, they we have problems, again.
That is the crux of the problem. The Masons have great ideas, but they don't allow anyone but Masons to control the system. They have to learn to share power, plain and simple.
Originally posted by nwodeath
Being a freeman or Sovereign, means taking responsibility for your actions, not depending on government to be your parent, to support you, or to subsidize you, or make decisions for you.
Claiming to be a sovereign: Goode v. Foster (D Kan unpub 10/21/96); similarly Valldejull v. Social Security Admin (ND Fla unpub 12/20/94) 75 AFTR2d 607, CCH Unempl.Ins.Rep. para 14368B ("that he is not a citizen of the Federal United States but a natural sovereign citizen of the United States not subject to the Social Security system"); similarly Farm Credit Bank of Wichita v. Devous (WD Okl 1996) 933 F.Supp 1028; similarly US v. Sloan (7th Cir 1991) 939 F2d 499 cert.den 502 US 1060; McDowell v. US (9th Cir unpub 6/17/97); McKeague v. The Corporate United States Govt of Washington DC (D. Haw unpub 10/9/97) 97 USTC para 50866; similarly Farm Credit Bank of Wichita v. Powers (Okla.App 1996) 919 P2d 31; similarly Industrial Devel. Bd of Tullahoma v. Hancock (Tenn.App 1995) 901 SW2d 382; similarly Wilson v. US (WD No.Car unpub 5/23/96) 77 AFTR2d 2489; US v. R.L. Keys (6th Cir unpub 4/6/93) 991 F2d 797(t); similarly In re Gdowik (Bankr., SD Fla unpub 7/23/96) 78 AFTR2d 6243 aff'd (SD Fla unpub 11/6/97) 228 Bankr.Rptr 481, 80 AFTR2d 8254; (county recorders instructed not to accept this document for filing) Texas Atty-Gen Letter Op. 98-16 (3/13/98); Snyder v. District Court of Stafford County (D Kan unpub 4/8/96) aff’d (10th Cir unpub 9/27/96) 98 F3d 1350(t) (claiming to be "natural born free people" and "a state" and "of freemen character" and not a "federal emergency citizen"); Young v. IRS (ND Ind 1984) 596 F.Supp 141; similarly ("natural born free sovereign US citizen") Damron v. Yellow Freight System Inc. (ED Tenn 1998) 18 F.Supp.2d 812; similarly (claiming to be "one of the indigenous sovereign people" and of "a Freemen Character" and therefore not susceptible to any court except "only to common law jurisdiction and process" by his own "Peers") L.L. Russell v. Clark (6th Cir unpub 2/9/99); (claiming to be "a sovereign state" and thereby trying to remove his traffic cases to a federal court) People v. Glaser (10th Cir unpub 1/19/96) 74 F3d 1250(t); US v. Studley (9th Cir 1986) 783 F2d 934 (claiming to be "an absolute, freeborn and natural individual"); similarly T.M. Thompson v. IRS (ND Ind 5/22/98) 23 F.Supp. 2d 923; T.J. Johnson v. State (Ark.App unpub 10/7/92); similarly US ex rel Brailey v. Aldesman (ND IL unpub 2/23/89) aff'd (7th Cir 1990) 904 F2d 38 cert.den 498 US 897 (perp making this claim held to be too mentally ill to stand trial and was confined to psych. hospital); Fair v. CIR (6/16/94) TC Memo 1994-276 aff'd (9th Cir unpub 6/30/95) 76 AFTR2d 5724, 95 USTC para 50418 cert.den 516 US 1098 (claiming to be a "free person" or "free citizen" and not a taxpayer); (claiming to be a "Sovereign Man On the Land") Marion v. Marion (Conn.Super. unpub 6/18/98); Peth v. Breitzman (ED Wis 1985) 611 F.Supp 50 (this plaintiff later convicted for printing fake money orders)