We Need A Vaccination for American Aggression

Originally posted by manxman2
you yanks can delude yourselves until your little hearts are content .. if you dont like the rtest of the worlds views on your governments actions then dont read them.

you administrations have done more than offend millions of people.

Your opinion is just as valid as the nest persons. It's just that some of us don't take insults and attacks lying down...

Good day to you sir.

Slay

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by KSPigpen
The U.S. is responsible for the needless deaths of many civilians.

Yet the US is the only one getting all the blame. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Why is it that every single one of the threads about the war lately is nothing but page after page and post after post of people saying how awful the US military is and that all they do is kill civilians, yet those same people look the other way when it's anyone else killing those civilians? No one gives a rats ass if civilians are killed by suicide bombers while they're just trying to shop at the market or pray in their mosque's. No one gives a rats ass that the majority of civilians that are killed every single day are killed by people who are from their country. No one gives a rats ass that they aren't targeting US troops, they are targeting Iraqi's over freaking religion.

That's all ok right? It doesn't matter that they were killing each other over who can be a prophet and who can't for over 1000 years. It doesn't matter that they'd be killing each other right now even if we'd never set foot in the country. It doesn't matter that they'll be killing each other long after we're gone. No one gives a rats ass as long as they can blame it all on our military.

Who cares that we're trying to help them rebuild everything and trying to help them train their own military and police force so they can fend for themselves. Who cares about the billions in aid that we've sent there. Who cares about anything good we've done or tried to do. None of that matters. It's much more fun to just point fingers at the military and claim they're just there killing innocent people.

This thread was started based on a false premise. That being that the US military had killed 85k civilians. Then reality sets in and lo and behold those 85k were killed by sectarian violence. But who cares. There's an agenda that needs to be pushed here and we can't let facts stand in the way of claims that the military is solely responsible.

So much for denying ignorance, lets just perpetuate it so we can push our agenda.

firstly you are not rebiulding the place for free .. you knock it down you have charged them for that aswell.

secondly you are training people there to look after americas interests first not because the iraqis will be better off but because you need a safe enviroment in which to extract their natural rescources in safety.

and jenna why does a man pretend to be posting as a woman.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by manxman2
you yanks can delude yourselves until your little hearts are content .. if you dont like the rtest of the worlds views on your governments actions then dont read them.

you administrations have done more than offend millions of people.

Your opinion is just as valid as the nest persons. It's just that some of us don't take insults and attacks lying down...

Good day to you sir.

Slay

they are not insulting you.

they are pointing out your administrations real foriegn policy and its pretty distasteful .. the truth sometimes is i am affraid.

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secondly you are training people there to look after americas interests first not because the iraqis will be better off but because you need a safe enviroment in which to extract their natural rescources in safety.

always talking about resources. Why don't you list the resources you are talking about?

Originally posted by manxman2
firstly you are not rebiulding the place for free

You're right we're not. We the tax payers are paying for it. Thanks for pointing that out.

secondly you are training people there to look after americas interests first not because the iraqis will be better off but because you need a safe enviroment in which to extract their natural rescources in safety.

Oh ok, so training their police force and their military somehow helps the US... Nope, still doesn't make sense.

and jenna why does a man pretend to be posting as a woman.

LMAO! Now that is hilarious. Seeing as how I have all the parts necessary to be female, none of the parts necessary to be male, have given birth, and am married to a man in a state that doesn't allow gay marriage, I thinks it's pretty safe to say I'm not a man. At least not last time I checked. So unless something happened since I took a shower this morning, I still have the parts I was born with. And there's at least one person on ATS that has access to my Myspace page that can testify I really am a woman. Or would you prefer a picture posted here to prove it?

Originally posted by jam321
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secondly you are training people there to look after americas interests first not because the iraqis will be better off but because you need a safe enviroment in which to extract their natural rescources in safety.

always talking about resources. Why don't you list the resources you are talking about?

try that for 100 billion barrels/.

and your troops will be there as long as it takes to pump the place dry .. so stop trying to bull# the world when the world knows why your there.

www.eia.doe.gov...


Iraq’s proven oil reserves of 112 billion barrels are the world’s second largest, behind Saudi Arabia.
Lack of investment and restrictions on imports of machinery and technology have taken their toll on the oil industry – which was also battered during the Gulf War.

The country has only been allowed to export a limited amount of oil under the UN’s oil-for-food programme.

the oil for food program is a lie.

the vast majority of the money goes as compensation to american multi nationals as compensation for lost business in iraq.

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try that for 100 billion barrels/.

Now multiply that by the current price per barrel and you will get the price we PAY Iraq for its oil.

Bet you never thought you would get a math lesson on ATS.

By the way, if Iraq is all about their oil then why are there 6 countries from where the US buys more oil?

www.eia.doe.gov...

Originally posted by manxman2
and your troops will be there as long as it takes to pump the place dry .. so stop trying to bull# the world when the world knows why your there.

Yep cause we've been bleeding them dry for the last 8 years....

Oops! Looks like we get 7 times more oil and petroleum from Canada than we do from Iraq.

EDIT: Jam, you beat me to it. Must have posted while I was typing.

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Don't you find it odd that people think we invaded Iraq for oil, when Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and Mexico are closer.

Originally posted by jam321
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try that for 100 billion barrels/.

Now multiply that by the current price per barrel and you will get the price we PAY Iraq for its oil.

Bet you never thought you would get a math lesson on ATS.

By the way, if Iraq is all about their oil then why are there 6 countries from where the US buys more oil?

www.eia.doe.gov...

The news that the duly elected government of Iraq is exercising its limited sovereignty to set a date for termination of the American occupation radically undercuts all discussion in the US Congress or by American presidential candidates of how soon the US occupation of Iraq may "safely" end. Yet if, by the same route, Iraq were to resume full and independent control over the world's third-largest proven oil reserves - 200 to 300 million barrels of light crude worth as much as $30 trillion at today's prices - a politically incorrect question might break rudely out of the Internet universe and into the mainstream media world, into, that is, the open: Has the Iraq war been an oil war from the outset?

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan evidently thought so, or so he indicated in a single sentence in his recent memoir: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." When asked, Gen John Abizaid, former CENTCOM commander who oversaw three and a half years of the American occupation of Iraq, agreed. "Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that,
Apologists for the war point out lamely that the United States imports only a small fraction of its oil from Iraq, but what matters, rather obviously, is not Iraq's current exports but its reserves.

Before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, media mogul Rupert Murdoch said, "The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy, if you could put it that way, would be $20 a barrel for oil."

In the 21st century's version of the "Great Game" of 19th century imperialism, the Bush administration made a colossal gamble that Iraq could become a kind of West Germany or South Korea on the Persian Gulf - a federal republic with a robust, oil-exporting economy, a rising standard of living, and a set of US bases that would guarantee lasting American domination of the most resource-strategic region on the planet.


source asia times
www.atimes.com...



live in denial all you want just dont expect the rest of us to.

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Yeah I do. You'd think if we were going to bother invading someone for oil we'd look at our neighbors first. Much closer and easier to get to.

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Maybe next time you copy something, you might want to source it correctly.

Here is what you got word for word.

tomdispatch.com... 2520Months

Seems to be the first thing you came across on google to support your comment.

Once again, why Iraq when other oil producing countrie of greater capacity are closer to the US?

edit.. I see you went back and gave credit.

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double post

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Oil companies accept Iraq bid terms

A consortium led by Italy’s Eni has agreed to develop the country’s 4.1 billion barrel Zubair oil field for $2 per barrel produced based on a target production level of 1.125 million barrels per day, he said.

Two other consortiums, one led by Russia’s Lukoil and ConocoPhilips, and another by Exxon Mobil with Royal Dutch Shell, have agreed to develop the 8.6 billion barrel West Qurna Stage 1 oil field for $1.9 per barrel, al-Shahristani said.

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so greenspan and the general were wrong.

and i could have found a hundred articles had i of wanted its no secret.

you refute it with a bad link.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Internatio nal oil companies accept Iraq bid terms

A consortium led by Italy’s Eni has agreed to develop the country’s 4.1 billion barrel Zubair oil field for $2 per barrel produced based on a target production level of 1.125 million barrels per day, he said.

Two other consortiums, one led by Russia’s Lukoil and ConocoPhilips, and another by Exxon Mobil with Royal Dutch Shell, have agreed to develop the 8.6 billion barrel West Qurna Stage 1 oil field for $1.9 per barrel, al-Shahristani said.

thats good isnt it they all get about 9% of reserves between them.

who will sell the other 91% ...?

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They are in the market to make money.
Believe it or not they are selling to whomever they want. Keep in mind China is becoming a US rival. Yeah lets allow our rivals to buy all the Iraqi oil they want. Get real.

BP, China oil firm to control development of major new Iraq oil field

BAGHDAD — The Iraqi Oil Ministry has signed an agreement with British Petroleum and China's CNPC to develop the Rumeila oil field.

China and copper mining, since 2001

Resource Hungry China

After wooing Afghan officials from as early as 2001, a Chinese mainland joint venture finally won the rights in 2007 to develop the site over 30 years. So far, it has sunk more than $4 billion into the project. The joint venture – between majority partner China Metallurgical Group Corp. and Jiangxi Copper Corp. – expects production to begin by the end of 2011 with an initial annual output of 180,000 tons of copper that will eventually grow to 320,000 tons. China will have rights to half that output, which it needs to fuel its own massive economic growth.

TimesOnline

ETA: link that is not a blog



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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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They are in the market to make money.
Believe it or not they are selling to whomever they want. Keep in mind China is becoming a US rival. Yeah lets allow our rivals to buy all the Iraqi oil they want. Get real.

BP, China oil firm to control development of major new Iraq oil field

BAGHDAD — The Iraqi Oil Ministry has signed an agreement with British Petroleum and China's CNPC to develop the Rumeila oil field.

its not your oil .. they can sell it to whom ever they want.

only they cannot because your administration is going to steal it.


you just completely ignore the words of greenspan et al. and just carry on in blind denial until the page changes or you bore your opposing point of views away.

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Originally posted by manxman2
its not your oil .. they can sell it to whom ever they want.

only they cannot because your administration is going to steal it.

You're absolutely right....

That's exactly why they are selling to whomever they want.

Italy, Russia, BP, and China.

Get it?