We Need A Vaccination for American Aggression

So, H1N1 kills thousands of folks. That stinks. It's tragic and unfortunately unavoidable. The best we can hope for is to 'vaccinate' the people against this deadly disease and hope for the best. Well.....we can make up all sorts of other crap as well...you know, quarantines and the like, to help us 'manage' this outbreak.



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We'll err on the pesimistic side and say there have been six thousand deaths from H1N1 to date.

I think what we need to do is look at the REAL killer loose in the world today. The United States Government. The aggression of the United States, in the name of vengeance, freedom and protection from terrorism has had a significantly higher toll in the last few years.

If H1N1 kills ten thousand people for five years, it will still never catch up with the death toll related to the aggression of the United States.










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There are numerous 'estimates' of the dead in Iraq at the source above. There is tremendous difficulty obtaining actual figures, so I choose, in this instance to give the US government the benefit of the doubt and take THEIR estimate of 85,000 dead Iraqis between 2004 & 2008. That's just a little over twenty thousand dead Iraqis per year for those four years.

Johns Hopkins University, certainly not a community college estimates the number closer to 600,000 (601,027) ). Over a HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND per year.

Either way you want to slice it, aggression perpetrated by the United States, or that which is a direct result of American occupation of sovereign nations, in the four years sampled, has been responsible for anywhere from 85,000 to over 600,000 people.

I think we need to find a vaccine immediately for this deadly disease. Some call it American Patriotism, some call it 'fighting terror', some call it 'destroying Al Qaeda', others call it a cancer on the ass of world society that needs to be cut off before it spreads any further.

The 'war' in Afghanistan has now lasted 96 months, 2 times as long as America's involvement in WWII. The 'war' in Iraq has officially 'lasted' 80 months, but we're still not done there. The war in Afghanistan is set to within a year or so, become the longest U.S. war in history.

I think instead of wasting so much time and money inoculating the world against H1N1, we should focus on ridding the world of the REAL disease - The lies and murderous actions of the United States government and her self-serving masters.

Maybe it's terminal and we just need some 'end of life' counseling, some nice meds and a dark, quiet place to close our eyes one last time.

isn't that what fluoride is for.
not to mention the LOADS of meds MOST americans are on like xantax, prozac, paxil, valium, klonopin, etc etc etc etc
AND of course now they are sharing with the rest of the tap drinkers of the country.

isn't that enough Rx to prevent aggression...
and really, it just exacerbates the confusion that contributes to the american agression, no?

Good point! I suggest Americans turn on and tune in. This is a phrase my father's generation followed. Coincidentaly, Afghanistan could supply America with a potent medicine that one could never overdose on. This medicine would mellow us all out. I know it sound absurd, but it would work.

yes, like most pharm drugs the benefits FAR outweigh the risks...in fact the risks are virtually non-existent.
too bad most people still lack the understanding that that which is off-limits is probably the most advantageous (in our stifling society)

Check your source, Homeslice. It's not a US Government estimate, but an estimate from the Iraqi government. Says so in the first line of the story. Guess you missed that, huh?

By REBECCA SANTANA
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraq's government said at least 85,000 people were killed from 2004 to 2008, officially answering one of the biggest questions of the conflict - how many perished in the sectarian violence that nearly led to a civil war.

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The report is from their Human Rights Ministry



That John Hopkins estimate has a few holes in it, too.

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So, "any way you want to slice it" means that if it's some insurgent blowing up a car bomb in a crowded market, killing civilians, it's still the fault of the US? Nice use of that ATS broad brush. And pretty lame, too.



Didn't know there had to be a time limit on war. If it's longer than WW2, it's automatically wrong?

I just noticed, smart conservatives and warmongers never try and justify the war. They know it cannot be justified. They remain silent and collect the profits.

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Giving the US Government the benefit of the doubt?

I haven't read anywhere in your post that you admit most of those killings have been Iraqi on Iraqi {Sunni/Shia} caused deaths. I'm sorry but when most people read the words [Bombings] You fail to mention they are at masques or markets etc some will assume it's American jets bombing people.

Has the US caused Iraqi civilian deaths? Yes. But when some calculate all the numbers which seems to be a giant shell game by all sides they always seem to be added up with the US holding the bag.

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It's been changed. The above text was quoted from a version that was posted before 4:37. They even changed the author.

So, no homeslice, the quote was correct for the time it was posted. They made no such distinction in the original text. Good try though.

They are in the process of replacing all of the articles online. Here is one that is left in Hawaii.

www.honoluluadvertiser.com...

Argue the numbers, if you want to argue about something. Pick ANY one of those estimates. the 85 thousand was the LOW estimate.

Run to the generalization of how it's the bad guys and their car bombs and market bombs that are causing all the deaths. Whatever helps you get through, buddy.

Nope, no limit on war, apparently. I can't wait to sign my children up, and their children to fight some bullcrap war based on bullcrap greed. How long should it take to 'defeat the Taliban', or 'defeat Al Qaeda'? Any idea? I want more for MY children than an endless, meaningless cycle of aggression.

How many lives of people in OTHER nations does it take to make up for the three thousand that died here? 100,000? Would that be enough? Is nine years long enough to catch a few thousand guys in caves?

You can slice it any way you like, America is occupying a couple sovereign nations that aren't the United States. Call it whatever you want. Even taking the smallest estimate, at least 85,000 people in Iraq have died since America came to the rescue and 'freed' them from the oppression they were living under.

It doesn't really matter if the Johns Hopkins estimate is off....we can just focus on the one by the puppet government in Iraq, if you like. The argument still stands.

The United States has it's hands in other countries, inciting hatred, creating insurgence and occupying lands that are not ours.

What do you recommennd, sparky? Maybe we should just keep fighting until 2050 or so....maybe by then we will have made the 'bad guys' 'pay' for attacking America.






Ok, let's forget about the Iraqis, they don't deserve to live any way. Let's focus on AMERICAN lives.

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Hmm... over 4500 dead American soldiers in Iraq? So, let me see if I understand the logic. We get 'attacked', we go to a couple foreign lands and we, in essence, expose our men and women to dangerous things that result in MORE of them being killed during our 'revenge' than were killed by the 'bad guys' in the first place?

Who makes this stuff up?


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These figures lay at the feet of the US the Shia that kill Sunni, and SUnni that kill Shia, blood feuds, honor killings, irresponsible roadside bombings, bombings at police stations, bombings at markets, on and on, and on.

They are still engaged in a low level religious civil war. Nothing to do with the US, or any other troops.

Saddam knew how to keep the lid on this jug - he wholesale slaughtered hundreds of thousands at whim. You seem to find this preferable.

In Afghanistan?

We haven't killed nearly enough.

You see, when you kill enough, the other side is either incapable of killing further, or unwilling to die further.

That's how you know you killed enough.

We aren't there yet.

Oh. Didn't I see that 100,000 were killed by guerrillas in Africa today?

Get over it.

There's always folks who just need killing.

Always have been, always will be.

Always.


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I dont know you tell me here are some of the latest headlines.


Militia leader among eight killed in Iraq bombing


Iraq bombings target reconciliation meeting, killing 26

Triple bombing kills scores in Iraq's Anbar Province


8 Iraqis killed in bombing/New report on Iraqi deaths


Suicide Bombing Kills Six In Iraq's Diyala Province

Iraq: Bomb attack kills two soldiers, injures four

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Seems to me to be a pretty clear correlation between American occupation and deaths on BOTH sides. Funny how things start calming down when the U.S starts pulling out.

I just read the thread posted by the ATS owners banning political references that might offend someone.

Calling the U.S. government the "killer of the world" offends me and I'm quite sure plenty of others.

I'm asking for a ban on this sort of thread and the references contained therein as well on the same grounds.

Thank you.

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W-A-R

What do you expect from a war?

In Desert Storm, many more were killed in 3 days.



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Furthermore, you try to blame the US for all of the deaths just because of their mere presence. I don't ever recall hearing the US tell the enemy to blow up its own people.

Early Divisions at Root of Sunni-Shia Conflict



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Geez, that's funny. Every article that I read about this story said the Iraqi government. Funny that the Stars and Stripes would get something like this wrong. Good try, tho.



Oh, ok. I should just automatically forget that it's some dirtbag insurgent that's doing the killing, and just blame the US. Wow, that's so much easier than doing research about the actual fighting. Just take the easy way out!



Let me guess, in high school, you were the kid that asked, "When they named the 100 Years War, how did they know it was going to last that long?" How about this; it takes as long as it takes. I know you'll have a hissy fit over that, but hey, life sucks. Get a helmet. You ain't doing the fighting.



Once again, who knows how long it will take. "OK, guys, you got nine years to find Osama. Get to work! Once your time is up, we leave, regardless." That makes a lot of sense.



It doesn't matter? You're joking, right? First of all, you say that John Hopkins is a great place (and they are) and we have to believe them. Now, it doesn't matter if they are off on their count. Pick a side!



Name a country that hasn't had their hands in other countries.



What's this "we" stuff, Gus? You actually doing any fighting? Like I said, you fight until the job is done. Pretty simple, but a lot of people seem to have trouble with that. Must be the "Microwave Generation" that thinks everything has to be done now, this instant. Things take time, if you want to do them properly.



Sounds like war to me. Isn't that what happens? You get attacked, you send your army to go and kill people and break their s**t. Sucks, and it's not pretty, but that's what happens.

Nope there's no agenda here.

Just ignore all the suicide bombers blowing up civilians. The cause of death doesn't matter as long as we can pin it all on the Americans.

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Edit to add: Let's also ignore that that 85k are the result of sectarian violence. Which by the way for those who have no clue what sectarian violence is, has absolutely nothing to do with the US and everything to do with the Sunni/Shia battle over religion.

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This report by the New England Journal of Medicine breaks down the CAUSES of the civilian deaths in Iraq.

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The table available here breaks it down for us.

content.nejm.org...

A cursory glance should indicate to you that a small percentage (about 25%) of civilian deaths is actually a result of suicide bombings. It's a favorite thing to jump on when someone tries to justify the deaths, but it just doesn't really pan out.

Thing is, just at what point did America actually get 'attacked' by any of the people it supposedly is currently at war with?... 9/11?, wasnt that done by Saudis? Dont see no damn american troops any where near their damn place.

Oh and Centurion1211, I wouldnt use that argument personally since youve said some things politically that some would find offensive. Siting rules simply to silence a person who says something you dont agree with is low.

Yes I Star and Flagged, im against war in all forms, and america does have a pretty bad track record in these matters. You'd have to be blind or deliberately ignorant not to see that.

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Good source.

The majority of the civilians were killed by executions, followed by small arms fire. Let me guess, you're going to say that it was all by US Soldiers, right?