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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Locoman I want to ask you some simple questions.
Do you really believe there are two Jehovah God (s)? Or is this just a fantastical theory you have thrown out for discussion?
If so, are they equal?
Would not worshiping both make one an idolater?
What relationship does Jesus Christ have with them?
Which Jehovah created Jesus?
[edit on 28-10-2009 by Blue_Jay33]
Originally posted by Sigismundus
Obviously if you think Bart Ehrman (who holds a Ph.D.) is not a mainstream scholar (he certainly is NOW, although one for a popular audience, so he has to dumb-down alot of his findings) then you do not know what 'mainstream' scholarship is.
Originally posted by Locoman8
God in use of "Elohim" refers to the family of God which currently consists of Jesus and the Father.
Originally posted by Sigismundus
The 1st Gospel ('Matthew', whoever he was), and the 3rd gospel ("Luke", whoever he was) follow 'Mark' fairly closely up to that point and it is that point that they diverge.
Later MSS go their own way to fill in the gaps in the 2nd Gospel with different resurrection appearances, none of them matching.
Bart Erhman is merely repeating MAIN STREAM BIBLICAL SCHOLARSHIP when he says the Resurrection appearances in the 2nd Gospel (whoever wrote it) are MISSING in the oldest MSS---which is backed up by evidence.
jesus said "You must not put Jehovah your god to the test", because by jumping off the battlement, thats exactly what he would have been doing.
Jesus was quoting a command New American Standard Bible (©1995) deut 6:16 "You shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested Him at Massah."
no they cannot.
jesus was actually tempted
and had to make a stand for his rightousness.
GOD is not capable of being tempted
james 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
if jesus was god, then satan's attempt was pointless and raises the question of why he did it in the first place.
still speaks against trinitarian co-equality. if Jesus is GOD then GOD is not greater than Jesus in any way.Figurative or real.
your not reading the scripture for what it is
your flavoring it with your own bias
below is the Watchtower article of OCT 1st 1978 pages 13 - 19. would you please show me exactly where it makes that claim?
correction. the watchtower organization is a threat to christendom. they have been exposing the churches hypocracy for over 100 years
Originally posted by oliveoil
The Devil was trying to temp Jesus. This is correct
Was Jesus overcome by temptation? No he was not
Why? Because Jesus can not be overcome by temptation.
The Devil sure tried.
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Gan you all please stop bothering Miriam for her choices and religious freedom. Though I have a different approach to God than calling him Jehovah and condemn the system which created the name Jehovah, which is a misspelled, with a twisted understanding of Hebrew vocalisation.... Anyway, People should be allowed to believe what they want, and not be keelhauled by piouss or oposites. And---- Lets stick to thread topic ey?
Originally posted by oliveoil
I totally respect her knowledge in the NWT, and appreciate the fact that she can hold her own. Most Jehovah Witnesses can't.
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by oliveoil
The Devil was trying to temp Jesus. This is correct
Was Jesus overcome by temptation? No he was not
Why? Because Jesus can not be overcome by temptation.
The Devil sure tried.
ill respond to the rest later. but i wanted to point something out. this is where your reason flies out the window.
I was clearly listening to you. And I have answered all your questions the best I can.
why would the devil try to tempt someone he knows cant be tempted?
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by oliveoil
I totally respect her knowledge in the NWT, and appreciate the fact that she can hold her own. Most Jehovah Witnesses can't.
if you were actually paying attention to anything i write, then you would realize that i was quoting from the king james.
is it possible you could answer my question please? even if by U2U
Originally posted by oliveoil
Is the Devil a sovereign devil ?
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
To locoman: If you need two gods to make your world go round, why don't you rather go to Babylon, Assyria and Ur to find you are not alone, instead of bothing us monotheists with linguistic locomotion?
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