The first vaccine in Germany will be distributed in two weeks.

50 Million doses of vaccine ordered for pharmaceutical manufacturers GlaxoSmithKline vaccine Pandemrix. Ordered the provinces have the vaccine because such things are country ledger. Otherwise the Bundeswehr decided against - and confirmed the Government as a spokesman of the Ministry of health to heute.de. The vaccine Celvapan Baxter was ordered for soldiers and officials in the Krisenstäben. "The difference between the vaccines is in other concepts of vaccine manufacturers but otherwise which take little", Brigitte Morgenroth says of the competent Paul Ehrlich Institute.

Critics like Alexander Kekulé, head of medical microbiology in Hall, see otherwise. In his view Celvapan is better tolerated - especially for pregnant women.

The difference lies in the detail: Celvapan is what is called a full virus vaccine. Pandemrix is a so-called Spaltimpstoff. As the name already suggest that more antigens into Celvapan. Such vaccines resulted but sometimes in the past higher reactions. Therefore the gap vaccines were developed have only fragments of virus are this friendly but can lose to effect.


To counter the, one additives in gave these vaccines - so-called Adjuvantien. They have now become the key point of discussion. Because as they are here for, to help the immune system better combat the viruses, but this can have side effects - particularly when pregnant women.

To all pages spare is actually giving a Council for pregnant women. Firstly they can suffer, as we know from other countries with swine flu particularly a serious progress of the disease.And set to a different vaccine. Here there are seemingly perfect combination: a slit vaccine but without Adjuvantien.

A spokesman for the Federal Health Ministry confirmed now that Germany with pharmaceutical manufacturers SanofiPasteur will discuss a vaccine for German pregnant women. Should you really decide to buy these vaccine for pregnant women, then this may take yet. Because Europe such vaccine is not yet approved. "But we want to say also that the other vaccines can be used by pregnant women" says from the Ministry of health.

The dilemma is obvious: the researchers do not know whether and which vaccine for pregnant women is better. You only know that pregnant women from H1N1 appear to be particularly affected. Loud say but would none, mainly because it is about this sensitive risk group. Woman in consultation must finally make a value risk consideration with their doctor. A 100 % recommendation there is no currently

Originally posted by euleberlin
btw, the government gets the good vaccine too:
www.heute.de...

US troops won't be getting the same vaccine as civilians either. Squalene is banned from all military vaccines by the DOD. (It was banned right after the medical investigations into the real cause of Gulf War Syndrome).

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
reply to post by ecoparity

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US troops won't be getting the same vaccine as civilians either. Squalene is banned from all military vaccines by the DOD. (It was banned right after the medical investigations into the real cause of Gulf War Syndrome).

Posting things like that completley false statement as a fact is what's really bringing down the quality of ATS debates

Both WHO and the US DoD conclude that squalene is completely safe.
Source 1
Source 2

Instead of concentrating our thoughts, on the ingredients in the vaccines that are already known of and heavily researched, maybe the factor we should focus on is the virus in the vaccines. The fact that the German military's vaccine didn't contain some of the controversial ingredients could be in fact a smoke screen to detract people from looking too much into the virus in the vaccine!

How do we know the virus hasn't been genetically manipulated in some way?




[edit on 13/10/09 by Jimmy1880]

Second-Class Medicine
Germans Unhappy with Alternative Swine Flu Vaccine for Politicians

SPIEGEL over the weekend reported that Chancellor Angela Merkel, a number of her ministers and other government officials would receive a vaccine manufactured by the pharmaceutical company Baxter -- the same vaccine that the German military opted for, as was reported last week.

The mass-circulation tabloid Bild on Monday plastered the story on its front page on Monday, assuring its readers that "experts are accusing the government" of serving up "second class medicine" to ordinary Germans.

www.spiegel.de...

Merkel's spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm on Monday denied that Merkel was taking a different vaccine than the one available to ordinary Germans. He said that the Baxter vaccine had been ordered four months ago as part of a deal hammered out one year ago and has nothing to do with recent concerns surrounding the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine

Originally posted by notreallyalive

Originally posted by kid_of_3NKi
Here's an article about that in english

..and another one

Ko3

[edit on 12-10-2009 by kid_of_3NKi]

I had to look this up, from your link, so here's the definition of Adjuvant:
In immunology, an adjuvant is an agent that may stimulate the immune system and increase the response to a vaccine, without having any specific antigenic effect in itself.[1] The word “adjuvant” comes from the Latin word adjuvare, meaning to help or aid.

Thanks for the links!


[edit on 12-10-2009 by notreallyalive]

Originally posted by theukman
I rarely post here, only when on occasions when people seem to leave all logic aside.

The reason that people say that the vaccines are dangerous are because of all the additves within them. The additives are needed to keep the vaccine fresh once it has been made so it will have a longer shelf life, due to so many people needing to be vaccinated.

The German Gov feel that the additives may be harmful but due to the relitivly small amount of people that need vaccinated they are willing to have the additives removed because they will be able to give the vaccine to their soldiers in a short time period not needing the longer shelf life.

Also who knows what type of millatary medication these soldiers have recieved in the past?

Now this may not be a direct truth but seems the most logical explanation. Any body else here who has not already been hit with the worry stick and can still think logical please back me up here.

Originally posted by themamayada
One thing to realize if you have never served in the military... depending upon the country you are in, you may have already had a cocktail of vaccines jabbed into you in the past year, including: measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, rabies, j. encephalitis, polio, regular influenza. Some have had to take a smallpox and anthrax vaccine. On top of that, some need to take antimalarial drugs.

Now, talk about thimerosol / squalene / aluminum / other-vaccine-adjuvants overload. And some of those are VERY nasty vaccines with very nasty side-effects.

So if you were a military chief, wouldn't you want your soldiers to have a bit of a milder version of the swine flu vaccine?

The general american public can probably handle a bit of ick in the regular swine flu vaccine with no problem. That's what your liver and kidneys are for - to filter out the crap. You put more poison in your body during one night of alcoholic festivities than you do in 10 vaccines. But a solider who already has 900% times the same amount of ick from other vaccines probably shouldn't be exposed to that much more.

And think about it, if the government or PTB were trying to poison you, they aren't going to do it in the most obvious way (vaccines). They'll put it in your cereals, or your milk, or your alcohol, or your cigarettes, or something that every American consumes.

I personally will not get the swine flu, not because of the additives, but because I'd rather take my chances and have my body's natural antibodies protect me - for life.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by The Soothsayer

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Even our FDA doesn't allow the ingredients in othis vaccine. The manufacturers were given special permission to use BANNED SUBSTANCES in the vaccine to help expedite the production, and then they were given TOTAL IMMUNITY from lawsuits by the Federal Government!!

Now, on another note, what will the population of Germany do about this discrepancy? I know I would be pretty upset if this were the USA giving some people a purer dose than the rest. I already know it is happening, but if they came out and admitted it, then I would expect some repercussions?