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Originally posted by rnaa
Originally posted by Orion65
Do you really think that this swine flu vaccine, full of toxic chemicals that they're fast tracking to produce, will actually prevent the flu?
Do I think it will help otherwise susceptible people to fight it off? Yes.
Do I think it will improve their immune system? Yes.
Do I think it will prevent 100% of the people who get the jab from getting H1N1? Probably not.
Do I think that the general population needs more protection against H1N1 than previous flu strains already pandemic? Probably not.
Do I think that there are persons within the population that need more protection against H1N1 and other strains than are already pandemic than most of the general population? Yes.
Do I think that the employers of Public Safety and Emergency Workers should take every precaution to ensure that their workers are available to serve in case of a Public Safety Emergency and not home in bed because they all caught H1N1 at the office? Absolutely.
Do I think that the H1N1 vaccination might be more dangerous than the H1N1 flu itself? No. And here is why:
Granted there may be a few cases of serious illness or even death directly attributable to the vaccine, there are also many deaths directly attributable to a 'natural' dose of the flu. Those that die 'from the vaccine' aren't really dieing 'from the vaccine' they are really dieing from the dose of the flu the vaccine gave them. If they skipped the vaccine and got a "full natural" dose of the flu anyway, they would have died. So if even one death is prevented by the vaccine, it resulted in less injury than if the vaccine was not present. Clumsy wording, but I hope you get the gist of it.
[edit on 4/10/2009 by rnaa]
Originally posted by Echelon117
I just got off the phone to two of my good mates who are currently in America. They have been on a holiday over there for the last 3 months, and have travelled from L.A to Washington and back again, and seen much in between...
I asked them, "hey this might sound a bit strange but have either of you seen or heard anything at all over there that would indicate that some kind of effort is underway, or looking to soon get underway of mandatory swine flu vaccinations for the general population?" Can you guess their answer?
Absolutely not a thing.
In a few months time when nothing has changed, this self-feeding, looping going around in circles ATS delusion will vanish like a fart in a fan factory
[edit on 5-10-2009 by Echelon117]
Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername....
Life apparently goes on as normal ... no military law ... no forced vaccinations ... no infringement of civil liberties ... no fines ... no imprisonment ... no detention ... no camps ... no body bags ... no mass burials ... NO NOTHING.
Do not take seasonal flu vaccine if you are told that it could help prevent this brand new Swine Flu variant. It won’t do a thing to prevent this flu. What it will do is serve up new genetic material to the Swine Flu virus that I have dubbed Spanish Flu 2, the Sequel. The Spanish Flu variant will use the gene sequences in the vaccine in humans to develop more of the changes that make the virus more readily infect humans. We do not want to give this virus more human genetic material so that it will infect humans more readily person to person. This is what vaccinated individuals do for pandemic strains.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost At the VERY least, any person with common sense would do some research about what the vaccine contains and what the possible symptoms might be as a result of taking them.
Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.
This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention extremely high risk.
Beware: Swine Flu Vaccine May Be More Dangerous than Swine Flu!
Has America forgotten about the 1976 swine flu outbreak? A mass vaccination program was ordered by the Ford government, which resulted in the deaths of 30 people who took an untested swine flu shot while hundreds were paralyzed due to a deadly nerve disease known as Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), which attacks nerve linings to cause paralysis and impaired breathing, Dr. Joseph Mercola explains.
Vaccines and Immune Suppression
Vaccinations reduce our immunity in many important ways
The Potential Dangers of the Swine Flu Vaccine
Are you afraid of the big bad swine flu, enough to consider getting a swine flu vaccine?
But before you make a rash decision, look at the facts
Originally posted by itstheendoftheworldaswekn
Take a deep breath America. Stop the attention seeking. Nobody cares. The country is full of paranoid androids.
Not one person said this was going to happen this week, next week, or even next month.
Now I have two more questions for you, both of which you'll ignore just like you ignored the others. Do you understand the iceberg model of disease and do you understand Hegelian dialectic?
Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.
In answer to both parts of your question ... no ... and neither of them are in the slightest pertinent to actual observational evidence as pertains to the availability of free swine flu vaccination and the rampant conspiracy theory that the government will mandatorialy force EVERY Australian citizen to take the vaccine.
We're now into day 6 of vaccine availability.
During that period, many thousands of Australians would have elected to, and received, a dose of the vaccine. Monitoring the news media during that same period has shown that there is virtually zero interest being shown in the vaccine and absolutely NO reports of even the slightest adverse reaction to the vaccine ... and definitely no deaths.
This fact alone speaks volumes regarding the falseness, paranoia and hysteria of the conspiracy theory that the vaccine has been specifically designed to have a negative impact on the recipients.
After almost a week of vaccine use, if there were serious deleterious and debilitating affects associated with the vaccine, they would have begn to become obvious and you can bet the media would have jumped all over it.
But naturally, the excuse will be that the effects have been "tailored" not to manifest themselves for weeks or months ... or that there will be some kind of "trigger" mechanism that will be deployed that will "activate" the vaccine.
No matter, the vaccine has been available and in use for almost a week and the initial indications are that there are no immediate effects such as death, paralysis, directly related illnesses, mind control, body control, zombie like state, mindless obedience, etc, etc, etc ... and coupled with no government intervention or signs of government intervention to force everyone to take the vaccine ... puts a huge hole in the vaccine conspiracy theory.
So, when does the conspiracy component start to kick in ? Anyone have any idea or firm dates ?
Finally, so I'm not accused of being totally ignorant (but wait, I already have been !), I've just done a quick Google on "Hegelian Dialectic" and came up with this gem of a summary:…Now if that isn't a load of rubbish jammed packed with meaningless phrases designed to impress ...
Originally posted by forlorn23
reply to post by EMPIRE
Maybe lay off the doomsday movies for a couple of weeks? Seriously.Your posts in this thread are becoming increasingly hell-bent on something only movies have and will continue to portray. Fantasy.
I’m not saying they are or aren’t going to force them
I didn’t study the cultures, have no first hand knowledge of the vaccines development, so I can’t say.
The only thing we can do is look at all the evidence, from an objective manner, and form assessments or opinions based on what we've observed.
Now mind you, I'm not saying forced vaccinations are real.