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Transexualism, Sexual Perversion Or A Real Medical Condition?


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reply posted on 25-9-2009 @ 11:32 AM by NatureBoy


on and don't assume that he's going to start taking hormones or get bits chopped off, the majority of tv and even tg / gener disphoric people don't go to the length of having surgery.



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reply posted on 25-9-2009 @ 11:38 AM by pluckynoonez


Originally posted by Selahobed
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Thats the point, i am not sure sexuality has a bearing on his choice, just the fact that he views himself as female. He has had sooo many girlfriends and has beem advice in that department for me also.
But now?
I feel let down, but at the same time uplifted, i know i make no sense but this is new for me.
I just want to know that this is a real condition and not just a whim i guess x


It is not some fleeting decision he has made in haste. He has known this his whole life and now he wants to do something that will bring him happiness.

I am a bisexual female and people ask me all the time when I "decided" to be this way. I never did. I have always been attracted to myself and the girl sitting next to me, for as long as I could remember.

And my point that human sexuality is a quantifiable medical condition, it's not, it is our nature. Medicine and science can try to pin and label us but sexuality, in all its forms, is apart of the human condition. Your brother is not abnormal in any way, just more expressive than most humans.

plucky



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reply posted on 25-9-2009 @ 11:50 AM by Benevolent Heretic


amazed said it all in the second post in this thread. You have been given the opportunity to know what real love and support means. Take it and participate in it.

Originally posted by Selahobed
Is it a real disorder or a sexual perversion like a one step up from transvestitism?



Let me ask you. What difference would it make? Regardless if one person calls it a perversion and the next calls it a medical condition... is that going to change how you feel about your sibling? Will you turn your back on her if someone gives their opinion that it's a perversion? I didn't think so.


I am trying to be sensitive to this


Then don't try to categorize it. Just accept that your sibling has recognized this about themselves and wants to be honest with you about it. Be open-minded and don't try to label her.

he is still my brother and i will still defend him.



Good. So will I.



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reply posted on 25-9-2009 @ 12:52 PM by AlienCarnage


Physiatrists are faced with the same question. In fact the field of psychiatry has learned from the patients who have come looking for help. There is no solid answer for each individual is different.

Some feel as though there are two personalities living within the same body, one female one male. The dominate one determines whether they cross dress in private or take it further to the possibility of a sex change.

Some just have felt their whole life that the body they are living in is not their own, but because they do have a male body, suppress these feelings striving to be the most masculine the can even making jokes at the expense of others who have the courage to come forward about who they are. Eventually the suppression becomes too much for some and they just want to be the person they feel they really are and come forward.

Some just like the feel of feminine things against their skin, and some actually rash up when wearing male clothing, this is believed to be more physiological in nature.

These are only examples of a few of these types of people.

Of note not all that have these feelings do come forward, some with the confusion within themselves and the fear of what their friends and family will think, end up committing suicide, so if someone does come forward, it is best to support them, if you believe someone is hiding a secret, do not corner them with and force it out, because that can lead to suicide as well, but if they are a friend or loved one always ensure that you are open to them telling you anything, and as long as they feel it, they will more than likely share with you instead of the alternative.

Also of note, not all cross gender, transsexuals are gay in nature; there are as many tare gay as there are straight transgender people of both sexes. For many wearing female or male clothes is no different from wearing jeans or slacks.



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reply posted on 26-9-2009 @ 10:46 PM by KendraJane


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Sorry its taken me a few days to get back, i have been very busy with my business that is realy starting to take off.
However, in answer to your question, i had a real heart to heart with him, and that combined with childhood memories, the pieces of the puzzule are starting to come together.
My poor bro has been through absolute hell! Trying to conform to social/religious expectations, putting himself and his own feelings last, even going in secret to christian and secular counsilors over the past 10 years, with the response that from a proffessional gender psyche that he is a classic gender dysphoric, and to top that has significant oestrogen levels in his blood compared to testosterone. It is natural oestrogen too and not the chemically simalar stuff you get for HRT. I have seen the reports so can attest to there validity and am now not only more at ease with this but realise that it is a genuine problem and not simply an extension of wearing panties and high heels. He genuinly feels female inside, and hids girlfriend has been asking him for a long time if he is gay or a full on transexual.
My parents havent come to terms with it yet, but after speaking to mom, she had her own suspicions from when we were kids but has kept it to herslf. She feels like she has failed as a mom to support her child and is looking for an open door that they can meet and talk frankly which is comming to my house in the next few days.

I am now convinced that transexualism is a very real and horrible disorder to have, and though not terminal, it has the psychological potential to be so with many who suffer from it commiting suicide.

The corrective treatment also is risky with not only the public impact of the secondary sexual characteristics comming to the fore through hormone treatment. And as any guy could relate, that after 6 months of HRT you are chemically castrated, you have no sex drive, the people around you dis you, your family disown you, you feel separated from god and no matter how much prayer and counsiling you have had the problem is still there, and then you have sexual reassignment which means you are a eunoch. So with all this stuff you had better believe that the person is serious about it.
Regardless if people think my bro is just a perve i have to say that with all of the info i have at my hands that i am proud of HER, she has gone through so much! So i will support her, and love on her like there is no tomorrow.



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reply posted on 26-9-2009 @ 10:52 PM by Selahobed


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Sorry, i was looged in on this by mistake and replied in the name of kendra jane lol... Sorry kendra, i know who you are!!



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reply posted on 26-9-2009 @ 11:00 PM by Selahobed


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I agree, but wit with transexualism it isnt about mere sexuality. I have had a couple of days of intense research lol. Its a rarish psychological issue, or brain issue where a female brain is in a male body.
Thats a fact btw. Scientists have taken biopsies from dead transexuals that havent had HRT and have compared them to "normal" folks, and these people do indeed have the same brain configurations as females. Not all do like those shemales, but genuine transexuals do indeed have a female brain configuration. With that in mind... All you ladies... How would you like to be you in a male body?



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reply posted on 26-9-2009 @ 11:11 PM by Selahobed


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Thank you, good advice as usual.

second line.



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reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 12:37 AM by Dark Ghost


I personally do not have much love for transexuals and prefer not to come into contact with them if I can avoid their presence. They just irritate me because I view them as trying to stand out and highlight that they are dressing in clothes that the opposite sex usually does. On the other side though, if they dress up and do not try to bring attention unto themselves then it does not bother me. An adult can do what they like as long as it does not hurt or bother other people.

At the end of the day, as you said, he is your brother. Being there to support and aid him is very important. Coming out and admitting something like this is VERY difficult and he knows you were brought up to condemn this behaviour. Keep in mind that by him dressing up in female clothes does not directly harm anyone else. It might seem like it goes against values, but nobody is being wounded by him simply wearing women's clothes.

It can be very hard for us at times, but the truth is much better than living a lie. I would rather my brother is open about who he is and be happy, rather than trying to hide his identity and live a life of misery. I believe God (if you believe that one exists) would agree.



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reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 01:01 AM by AlienCarnage


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Not all transexuals want to stand out, most just want to fit in with the opposite sex and some have the fear of being discovered while trying to do so.

Some are what they call passables, these are ones you probably see everyday, and might not even know they are actually the opposite sex of that which they are dressing as (have had surgery in some cases).

Others try as they might, do not come off as passable at all, these are ones that most people try to pretend not to notice or stare at. In men who dress as or have become women, it is usually the size issue or an extremely portruding adams apple. In women who dress as or become men, it is many times a body shape issue or a size issue or in facial features.

There are otheres who may be passable in one outfit but stand out in others, or who may pass in pictures, but in person, do not for the same reasons mentioned above.



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reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 01:13 AM by Discordian Queen


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You don't have to think about it as God making a mistake, but as God giving her a challenge to overcome. God may have thought that the challenge of being who your brother really is would help to grow her soul.

Do her a favor and call her your sister now, though. She'll really appreciate it.



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reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:36 AM by STFUPPERCUTTER


dont cut peepeep off.
thers the best advice on this thread so far.
seriosuly, thats not a piece of equiptment you can jsut reattach or replace correctly. i dont care waht any one of you say.



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