i really appreciate how you are discussing,
just wanna tell you that. The serpent is the symbol of going lost,
but it needs a god to be allowed. And it needs to be a part of
god, or god is not truth and one. But God needs to be good,
truth can not be bad.So that's our paradox.
How do you explain that simple ? when everybody is
still stuck in thousands of stories (=symbology) of life ?
paradox = plant = tree = not literal as a plant,
but more as a 'system'
nobody can beat the wordgame without the need,
the need grows together with the cross you take.
that's the difficult thing about the paradox,
it is not understandable without cross.
every word will always have different ways to take it,
understanding comes from yourself, how far you want
logic in your head to be fixed, this is testing in a good way, prooving, to answer
Religion do not like to 'test' god, afraid to do something wrong, but asking for proof is not testing god, if you ask proof he can build it in you,
if you don't ask questions, then one day you'll have to do the lottery, you just guess. That's why 'delusion' is written in the bible. It goes
against honesty, which is a command both in religion as science,
in honesty we all have visions of what we believe, but our minds always will doubt it, that's just plain honesty (god gave me a vision so big once,
and i said to him, i don't want to believe you when you are vision, i need logic, and i need love, righteousness, not an evil god, but a logic and
good god, if god is truth, as religion states, then be sure, truth can be explained in a way, that is honesty)
another point, if truth is one and absolute it is good for it self,
so my question for god to be good, is not so subjective as
it looks like. God can not be bad, when he is truth, his goodness
is just hidden behind a veil for us, truth can't be wrong, that's logic)
yes, for the paradox to be full, insanity was needed,
curse and blessing. insanity is not evil. Evil is ignorance.
Hitlers insanity was 'wrong', but it was ignorance
that allowed it to happen. We allow monsters to
take more then they could do, if we woulnd't ignore,
and we are all part of ignorance, but we can lessen it
every day. and monster are so deep in pain,
they do not have the speace to beat their own
insanity. They need help, always. But society was
not made to understand that either in that time.
(forgiving also needs time, i don't belief in forgiveness
that is faster then it's possibility, never fake forgiveness,
trying is more important, if you give forgiveness time, it
will be more complete, fake forgiveness is also ignorance
for a part)
salvation is evolution yes, it is reflection = repenting,
understanding = forgiving.
reflection works clockwise, like a clock, something point
to 6 AM, another to 10 seconds, and another to 50 minutes,
you have both negatives and positives ont he same time.
it means nobody can really see the heart of someone,
and a person can do his best so hard he can't handle it,
and insanity comes out for a while.
IF a persons does his best, treat him in respect,
because doing your best deserves to be seen.
IF he becomes insane, at least see it, seeing is the most important,
not being able to help is natural, seeing is what they need,
worse is avoided by allowing a lesser harmless evil, before there
are bad deeds, allow the bad words, so the anger can come out
before they ever think doing bad deeds, this is so easy,
righteoussness is not that difficult, it's thinking in
relatives instead of absolutes, absolute is where god is,
humans are not there yet, religion thinks to much in absolutes,
they are stuck in it, in their logic, and will be, until they
give honesty it's true place in their mental war,
(i generalise, in my head i see only individuals,
difficult to explain without generalising, a human can NOT
proove jesus exsisted, but he can build logic, and find
him back there)
Ingorance is false peace in a world that is made as 'hell'
But even in hell we can find heaven.
But trying is more important then being right,
because until full salvation there are only sorries,
reflecting for everyone in every situation, even if you
are the victim. When you are a victim in severe situations,
life will save you (probably) automaticly, because your reflection will
never allow you false peace anymore, your reflection will
never stop. (i am still generalising, it's impossible to explain without generalising)
Yes, this world can be evil, but justice comes one day.
In the end, this world allows god not to be never ending patterns
and parallell universes of pain. In parallel universes or every potential is real universes there is always somewhere 'you' in never ending pain.
you see, if i have to explain something simple, i need so many
words because i realise the questions that will come,
everyone can only do it for himself, understanding life
comes to you, when you are ready for it.
Problem with explaining, is that people will always
focus on side-details...it makes the structure loose
importance... many people see one wrong and throw away
everything, you can't explain life starting from details,
you can only explain starting from the center,
what is truth, what is logic.
Same with the bible, they start from the different verses,
instead of starting with the important thing, who is god,
the same question as what is truth. So you can read the
verses from his perspective.
After a history of religious wars, is it so diffiuclt to admit,
our books seem to contradict ? The same as logic ?
paradox is something that contradicts, start with the
beginning. What is truth, what are beliefs, who is god.
Is truth wrong to itself ? Why needs a free truth pain ?
like that, in simple thinking you find god.
[edit on 29-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]