Originally posted by qisoa
Originally posted by DragonriderGal
Huh. Physical realm 'Concrete proof' and spirit realm 'proof' are like asking about a pear, by insisting that I must use an apple to explain what it is... it almost is an oxymoron. The 'proof' is the 'knowingness' that I've been talking about. For me it comes like a silent gonging when I hear something that is 'true'. Others feel a chill or get goose bumps, still others have 'aha' type experiences... plus probably a dozen more.
To use your fruit metaphor: I'm not asking you to define a pear in terms of an apple. Instead, the question would be 'what makes a pear a pear?' A pear has definable characteristics We can look at a pear and identify it as a pear because of those characteristics. We would both 'know' that it is a pear because of its 'pearness.' It's the difference between objective and subjective. It's easy to discuss physical topics because of objectively obtained data which can be observed, experienced, etc. Spiritual experiences tend to be more subjective.
from Wikipedia: An epiphany (from the ancient Greek ἐπιφάνεια, epiphaneia, "manifestation, striking appearance") is the sudden realization or comprehension of the (larger) essence or meaning of something. The term is used in either a philosophical or literal sense to signify that the claimant has "found the last piece of the puzzle and now sees the whole picture," or has new information or experience, often insignificant by itself, that illuminates a deeper or numinous foundational frame of reference.
I'm simply trying to point out the difficulty that arises when one person's view of reality is different from another's. Your conception of the spirit realm is different from my conception of the spirit realm. I have my own experiences and 'knowingness' which indicate that my conception is true. My conception and your conception are different still from a third conception I ran across last year: that humanity exists solely as a biological experiment in a laboratory maintained by the Reptilian aliens.
Each of us three is convinced that our conceptions are true, yet all three can't be true simultaneously.
So...
...if the three of us are each convinced that our conceptions are true...
...but we have only our subjective personal experiences to draw from...
...how do you really know that your reality is the 'correct' one?
If you have an ongoing mini-movie in documentary style playing out human memories of various times and places in the history of the world as well as memories of current and future times whenever you ask about something, then it is much harder to feel uncertain of what's going on. The stories/memories don't change no matter how many times I see them.
And my guess would be in the overall picture, each one of us holds a part of the elephant but can't see how the elephant is connected to itself, hence see our part as a separate 'truth'. There is a NWO 'version' that is being played to those who will 'hear' it that the Dracs aka reptilians are the bad guys, and so they were the ones experimenting on us. In reality, it is the greys who did the experimenting.. and brought humanity into sentience in the process. But it wasn't done for evil purposes, it was done to preserve their species.
I don't know what you believe, so I can't see what part of the elephant you are holding on to. But viewing from the racial unconscious shows me the whole elephant, and also what kinds of information are being fed to us for the purpose of confusing and muddling the spiritual waters, and leaving everyone adrift and unable to really figure out what is 'true' about the spirit realm. Just like they want it.
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