Why are americans against NHS?

I dont get it?

We have the NHS and i get free hospital checks, MRI, CT scans.
Free dental brace.
Free eye care.
Free surgery.

Why are americans so against something thats free to have?

reply to post by Haydn_17


Nothing is Free, It has to be paid for somewhere. And here in America we do not wish for a NHS. Are goverment already is almost 12 Tril in debt and 60 Tril monkey in the room of Unfunded Liablities, it is a sinking ship. (America) Even the Cockroaches and Rats (Illegal Aliens) are leaving this Sinking ship.

The government that can't catch their Osama Boogy man, the government that mailed Anthrax letters to itself, the government that turned away relief trucks headed for Katrina victims...The government that held impeachment hearings over a BJ but failed to see anything wrong with a man that reads the childrens book "MY PET GOAT" while New York burns...

THAT GOVERNMENT wants to give its citizens national health care....

Its not so much that we are opposed to the idea as much as we are opposed to the thought of OUR government doing it.

Nothing good can come of it.

reply to post by titorite


I can agree with that, The American Goverment is like a big, hairy, drooling, St.Bernard, Everwhere it goes you have to clean up the mess after it. Big Goverment is a problem, not the solution.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Because it's not free.

Someone has to pay for the tests, MRI, CT, etc.
Someone has to pay the doctors salaries, the nurses salaries, the aides salaries.
Someone has to pay for hospital infrastructure. Food, cleaning, technical, mechanical services.
Someone has to pay for the meds, the plasma, the medical equipment.

Whether you know it or not, you have been paying for it. High taxes, useless taxes, ridiculous taxes.

This is what americans do not want.

It's easy to say that everything is free when you are raised in a system that has been taking taxes out of pay checks before you were born.

When americans see their taxes raised to such extremes that will pay for all these "free" services, well it'll be another revolt.

Just my humble, wee, little opinion. . . .



[edit on 18-9-2009 by mikerussellus]

It's simple - because this government has proven time and again that it cannot manage the most simple of programs like Social Security. Now they are asking us to trust them with the high-level complexities of healthcare? Um, I don't think so!!!

There is nothing "Free" - the American tax-payers will pay for this program through the nose as we have with every other program implemented by the Federal Government. Stated simply, we're fed up and we're not taking it anymore!!!

We're not afraid of an NHS, we're afraid of how the government
will screw it up like everything else they do (Iraq, Afghanistan,
Katrina, T.A.R.P., Drug policy....you name it).
By the way, there is no such thing as "free" health care. Somebody,
somehow must pay for it. Included in the present bills are so many
more intrusive policies that allow the government to look into our'bank
accounts and other areas that we consider to be private. The last straw
is that illegal aliens will also get said "free" healthcare, at taxpayer
expense despite Obama's protestations to the contrary. Illegals
are already a severe drain on our economy.

No thanks seems to be the national inclination. Despite many
horror stories most people here don't think the system is broken
and needs any fixing. Even myself being presently disabled and
having many problems with getting competent healtcare don't
want to risk making things any worse than they already are.
Also we've wised up to the fact that any legislation this all-
encompassing will doubtless have many built in bonuses and
kickbacks for both the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical
manufacturers.

Americans simply are not in the mood for possibly making things
any worse, we have enough trouble to deal with at present.
When Joe Wilson said "liar!" he meant it and we believe him!

reply to post by Haydn_17


My mate KSPigpen explained it quite well to me once.

Firstly it's the US aversion to any form of Socialism, years of fighting the Cold War will do that to you, he said that historically the US population has had it drilled into them that Socialism, is wrong.

Secondly it's the idea of change, people just don't like change, especially teenagers - and the US is a teenager with regards to how long there has even been a US.

I agree with him, but I also think that the US is built on the American dream, capitalism and working for what you have, giving away free healthcare to lazy, no good, druggies and the unemployed (by their own mistakes) goes against the very foundation of US society.

I think this is why you read quite often, that a guy will say he's happy with the status quo, he's got a good job , benefits, health care, why should he want to change? The thought of having a social conscience never comes into it because this guy has worked damn hard for his life, career and family.

I see both sides, but in the end my friend, we just have to let the US get on with it and hopefully come out on the other side happy, with nothing stupid going down!

EDIT to add, Oh and Government usually balls up everything, so they rightly have doubts when they want to run something as huge as a National Health Program.

You have to give it to them, they do make a good point,

I still like knowing the NHS is here for me when I see it, of course it isn't free, we pay in TAX and reduced treatment! But it's still there. But trust me mate, a time will come when the UK will have to overhaul the NHS and it won't be pretty either!

[edit on 18-9-2009 by kiwifoot]

Originally posted by kozmo
Stated simply, we're fed up and we're not taking it anymore!!!

Do you really think you can say no?

Your government will do, as they always have, whatever they want and hide it behind "It's good for the country." or "It's your right!"

reply to post by Haydn_17


That is because what is been "Reform" by congress has nothing to do with "Free", is just to make Americans into buying private insurance (no free) by mandate.

The government is still debating about public option but right now that is not even the priority.

No even medicare and medicaid is free is funded by tax payer.

reply to post by Haydn_17


What's amazing here is look at the times of our responses.
Without even seeing each other's thoughts we came up
with the exact same reasons. I'd say THE VERDICT IS IN!
!

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Asktheanimals]

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Asktheanimals]

reply to post by Haydn_17


Hey, I am sure I have seen this thread before. Hell, I might have seen it about twenty times. And I am getting ppppissssseedd.

oh here they are, how about doing a search before posting?

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Have you ever run a business? Imagine having the worst management team ever. Than times that by 10. Than add in a bunch of idiots that cannot make a decision without having hearings for two months. Than add in people that will not make decisions because they do not want to be held responsible for making it. Now add in the BIGGEST MOST CORRUPT GOVERNMENT EVER IMAGINED into the mix.

THAT IS WHY

Star by the way mikerussellis never looked at the signs on that outhouse before. LOL

the way I see it is if passed,,, insurance costs will come down but the copay will rise too high for anyone to go anyway...one way or another the cost itself will not be reduced and that is where the reform is needed

I see the hospitals as an over priced hotel

My wife had a lung collapse 2 yrs ago and she was in for 5 days after the insurance payed the cost to us is still over $1000 a day and the only thing she had was food, O2 and tylenol for the pain from the tube they put in her

breaking it down

$500 for the bed
$200 for O2
$200 for the nurses
$100 for the tylenol, breaking that down is $3 a pill and they were not even made out of gold

reply to post by Haydn_17


Becasue a large minority of Americans (led by the media) are ignorant of anything else the world does and so overtly paranoid of their government. Apart from when they invade and attack other countires, thats fine, but talk about helping people recieve healthcare at a less expensive rate and it is all some kind of Socialist/Hitlerite/NWO/Black conspiracy!

Seriously let them get on with it and destroy any kind of refrom, they will bankrupt themselves and fall like every other Empire before them.

Man, you know whats awesome? Living in Canada and having free health care.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by and14263]

reply to post by Haydn_17


Americans oppose it for a laundry list of silly reasons.
"Taxes will go up." Yes, but there won't be any more insurance to pay. Net wash.
"I'll lose my Medicare/Medicaid." Yes, but it will be replaced with something else.
"They'll have 'death panels'!" Usually from those that internally suspect that their life isn't worth living.
"I don't want some beurocrat(sp) deciding what care I get." As opposed to a insurance agency beurocrat(sp) with a spread sheet.
"I won't be able to get in to see a doctor!"
etc...

Because this is America and not Europe or Canada.

There's nothing "Free." Somebody is paying for it.

People always call these things "Free" but it's far from free.

We have a 14 trillion dollar GDP and close to 12 trillion dollars in debt. The government is too big and we don't need to be like Europe.

America is a society based on free markets and a thriving private sector. One of the reasons Europe formed the European Union is because individually the countries couldn't compete with America economically.

The GDP of the EU is 18 trillion. The GDP of the United States is 14 trillion.

We don't need to be like Europe. We just need a small government that doesn't waste and spend money.

Americans should be sitting pretty right now with a 14 trillion dollar GDP with a per capita rat of 46 thousand.

There's ZERO reason why America needs to become like Cuba, Britain or Canada.

We don't need a universal health care system ran by the Government. We need a smaller government not a massive behemoth.

If you criticize so much anything proposed, managed, funded by your various governments, (Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc...) - and don't get me wrong, I perfectly understand why you don't trust them - ;

Why do you STILL VOTE FOR THEM, year after year ??? Why do you continue for each elections to choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils. YOU DON'T HAVE TO !!!

You are forced to believe that only two parties could ever rule your country, and both are the two sides of the same politic (in 1800, the leading party was called The Democratic-Republican Party !!!). If you continue to choose between the democrats and republicans, you live in an illusion of choice, where in fact you choose what they want you to choose.

I cannot have sympathy for you when you keep whining about your government every time, but you don't seem to get that an overwhelming number of people voted for it !

If you really want change, then stop voting for those 2 stupid parties, and try an alternative. Oh yeah, you can't because those parties are so heavily funded for their campaign that they catch all the attention of the public ? SO WHAT ? You want change, stop voting for them, all of you. Otherwise, stop complaining.

You have the ability to choose between more than 2 parties. Even in France where they also have a two turns voting system, the political landscape is not as monolithic (I should say duolithic because there are 2 parties) as in the U.S.

Your MAJOR problem is that you keep allowing private companies to fund your presidential candidates. If you fix that, then the small parties will also have a chance to get the attention of the brainless masses. And then you'll have a true democracy. Not a parody.


You have to see that the motto of your leaders is "The elections are too important to be left in the hands of the voters".

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
America is a society based on free markets and a thriving private sector.

Errr, Europe is based on the same thing you know, just a LITTLE more ok with public services than the U.S. But today, many EU country privatised huge sectors (energy, postal service, transports, etc...)

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
One of the reasons Europe formed the European Union is because individually the countries couldn't compete with America economically.

This is absolutely untrue. The EU originated from the CECA (Steel & Coal European Community) whith the intend that the European citizens would never have to suffer a war on their soil again. The aim of the CECA was to make any war between France and Germany materially impossible.

So European countries had to accept to loose a bit of power to insure more peace. This is the same idea that you find at the origin of the U.N. The E.U. just extended the scope and number of countries involved, but it was no to "compete with America" believe me. Europe and America are tied together more than you can imagine. If America falls, Europe will suffer and maybe also fall.