Videotaped rape - now the 87th most popular website in the world

Originally posted by HybridEB

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
… there are websites now where you can upload murders, and then these can be watched by anyone … And no one does anything about it. No law enforcement, nothing …

I can name a bunch of high traffic websites that feature “murders” or similarly vile content right on their front page.

Case in point, L.L. – full name withheld – is a reputable outlet of free speech that’s been featured on and directly cited by CNN. It’s available to, as you said, “anyone,” anywhere in the world, and thrives due its lack of censorship. One of the “featured” new videos today on L.L. is the 6+ minute brutal murder of a middle-aged woman. Less than 24-hours later, it’s already surpassed 55,000 views and 400 comments.

Now you have the right to crusade for censorship on the internet, just realize that countless hordes have been there, done that, and ended up at square one because no LAWS back them. No matter how many letters you write or phone calls you make, don’t expect any results tilted in your direction.

P.S. A simple Google search yielded a whole litter of sites whose sole purpose is selling simulated rape videos. Would you like me to PM you the domains so you can contact each and every one?

Re your P.S., thank you, I don't wish to take you up on your offer.

Do you know which country the server for this website is hosted? You can do an IP trace.

For example:
ATS's server is actually hosted in my own hometown of Dallas, TX.

Knowing that, you can turn that website in to local authorities for questioning. It appears that the US has no rape law for a national level and it is left up to each state to define their own laws. Hopefully the state and or country this website is hosted in has strict laws. Ultimately, lets hope none are real rape and instead all volunteered actors. Rape is horrible.

I currently visited one of these "fantasy rape" sites and upon entry a warning popped up stating, "WARNING!!! We do not condone non-consentual sex. This site is about ROLE PLAYING FANTASY only and all content is performed by professional actors and models."
Furthermore, being a woman, if I knew my attacker had a video of my raping, that would be all the more reason to press charges.

(For above post) No I am not a woman, my wife made that post, and i just discovered it.

Im off to tell her to get her own damn account lol.

There's no place for "rape", or "child porn", or "violence uploads" - they should be deleted from the internet forever. It is a huge sadness that they ever existed. I have re-read this thread today, and at some points I find it very upsetting. Rapists are corrupted - and it's possible for these people to reform and they do, rapists are extremely crap in bed, no one aspires to be like that - taking sex by force is one of the worst things anyone could do. Sex is a damn good thing and it should only ever be exhilarating for all involved.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
The site contains real rapes, which was labelled as "Real Rape".

Furthermore, on the internet, there are websites now where you can upload murders, and then these can be watched by anyone.

And no one does anything about it. No law enforcement, nothing, the sites are just left to grow bigger and bigger, uglier and uglier, and more and more violent.

Just because it's labeled as "Real Rape" doesn't make it so, it's how they attract people's attention. If somebody is into rape fantasy I'm sure realism is a major factor, so videos labeled "Real Rape" are bound to catch there attention more, I highly doubt they are real rape videos.

First off Anyone can edit Wikipedia pages - all you have to do is learn their tools.. I am no good with them but someone should edit that page the OP spoke of.

Second the OP states: " Please note it is likely (and I hope) that by far the greater majority of access to the site is for their legal pornography content, nonetheless there's no two ways about it, the illegal content cannot remain, otherwise I do not see how the website can stay in business !"

Are you kidding? The illegal content is what prople go there to see.. that is why they stay in business.

The problem is the laws of the place where the servers are. If they don't have laws for this kind of thing then you won't get the website shut down or this content taken off. It's the sad truth.

I would not stop with the illegal content. Once this site breaks the law shut the whole site down. However like I said they may not be breaking the law where they are from. What would be better is if there was a way for whole countries to block this type of thing coming in. For instance if they were in China, knowing this content is illegal in the U.S, they should be able to keep their site from being accessed by U.S servers.

Am I for censorship? Not when it's against free speech or the like but you cannot have a Free Illegal Rape video place accessible to U,S, citizens when that is illegal! Make it a pay only site that's regulated, sure.. no problem.. but not free with the illegal stuff. Even if it's a pay for site since rape is illegal in the U.S. real rape videos should not be legal to pay for. The first time this company accepts a check from an American and they get illegal real rape videos, we should be able to bring these guys to court here for their crimes and put them in jail.

That would be like me having a site that teaches men how to stalk, kidnap and rape little girls or a site that teaches how to break into homes and rob people blind. You wouldn't expect that kind of thing to be protected under free speech or to not be censored.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]

The way I see it, I think it'd be ridiculous to say these are real rapes. No rapist is going to videotape and show the whole world their crime. They might as well drive themselves to the police dept?? The whole point of committing a crime is to NOT get caught. I'm actually surprised that ppl are so opposed to others living out their sexual fantasies. If it's consentual they should be able to whatever theyd like. You dont have to agree with it, u dont even have to like it but they are adults and it's legal. Reminds me of the states that consider oral sex illegal and u can actually go to jail because of it. Wha?? Crazy! How many of u are going to stop that bcuz someone else 'said-so'?? You'd tell them to eff off and mind their own business. The same thing with these vids, if u find it disturbing or immoral, or whatever, dont look it up. It's their choice to have sex the way they want, it's their choice to tape and share it and it's someone elses choice to watch it. Not everyone has a 'vanilla' sex life. Some enjoy their sexuality more than others and thats okay too, it's what works for u and urs. How can u equate the world going to hell bcuz adults choose to have sex the way they want to?? The worlds going to hell for many reasons but I dont think it has anything to do with the 'fantasy rape' scenario. It's actually very liberating and extremely enjoyable if ur into it. If ur not into it thats okay as well, but noone should push their moral or personal beliefs onto anyone else.

The situation has worsened.

Despite my desperate pleas and publicity around the matter, the owners of the sites have now expanded their "rape" section, whilst at the same time making it appear that the total number of "rape" videos is much less, by putting them into the "forced sex" category instead, even though it's the same thing.

Furthermore, now the site owner puts "rape videos" on the front page, and today there is this one about this oriental girl who has been beaten and is covered with some blood.

The main site has now become the 61st most popular website in the world (where the rape videos are hidden amongst the legal videos). The other site has now become the 130th most popular website in the world, down from the 127th most popular website in the world.

Will the U.S. Government ever do anything about this?

Are they not aware of the technological breakthroughs in computer software science, that allows internet companies to actually delete or bar websites, or do they want to just continue to sit there doing nothing as the situation has been getting worse and worse. Why do they do nothing? What is the problem? Is Barack Obama corrupt?

Originally posted by maria_stardust
reply to post by fraterormus

 

I have worked as a volunteer aiding abused women, and not once have I ever come across an instance where a victim of rape hasn't been scarred or traumatized. To even suggest that rape victims turn to fantasy rape as a form of self-therapy is despicable in all shapes and forms. Perhaps a deluded, twisted mind might contemplate such a sick scenario, but I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that these situations are unlikely to exist in the real world.

Rape victims have a hard enough time coming to terms with such a life changing event. You are going to be hard pressed to find one willing to relive, or re-enact, one of the most nightmarish events of their lives.

The fact that this line of reasoning even exists in any form or fashion is downright appalling.

Sorry but respectfully I disagree. Due to my work I have also met many many (far too many) women that have been raped, and I know of several who have "rape fantasies". I never questioned them about how these fantasies came to be, why they have them, if they find them empowering. However I do know for a fact of a few women (lord only knows why) that do enjoy role playing rape scenarios, which include knife play, slapping, and other things that really go way over the line for me.

I think it's absolutely disgusting.

Now the 61st most popular website in the world, and people all over America (where the site is approximately the 18th most popular website in the world according to my Alexa bar if this can be believed), can access it, and nothing is done to turn the site off.

They have porn, legal porn content of 99%. Then they have approximately 600 videos of rapes, abuse etc., some rapes show women pleading to be let go and then the rapist finishes the video by saying he is going to kill the girl, then the film ends. In other videos (put in by China where pixelation of private parts is essential but rape itself does not even appear to be illegal) women are shown being beaten and abused etc.

The U.S. Government should enforce the law, otherwise they would in time, become guilty of breaking their own law, so in an extended possibility the government would seriously have to be disbanded. What an appalling prospect!

Rape in Haiti

I hope that "rape" (primary definition) is one day (as soon as possible) something that doesn't occur anymore, anywhere in the world, to anyone.

Rapists are extremely crap in bed, this is an obvious truth.

Media companies should take care that their headlines are not misconstrued.

Eg, Last year the Daily Mail published the headline verbatim letter for letter "Rape girl, 13, stoned to death". On the same day the Daily Mirror printed verbatim letter for letter "Rape girl, stoned to death"

Surprise, surprise a few days later, both the Daily Mail and the Mirror reported the rape of a 14 year old by a group of 'feral youths' stoned on cannabis. The sad word is spelt as follows, "raped" - with a 'd' on the end. All the kids (age 12-15) I showed the catalyst headlines to said they were incitement.

Headlines are powerful. Despite its great circulation, the Daily Mail group has been unsuccessful in bringing about a reduction in violence in the UK and throughtout the world (up until it's ceasing of use of knife metaphor dysphemisms and cacophemisms shortly after September 2009 - the last one was the double page spread "KNIVES [KNIVES] ARE OUT FOR ALESHA", subsequent to which 6 people were murdered with knives (how appalling) in the week following.

During the knife amnesty of 2006 Peter Hitchen's Sunday essay - right bang in the middle of the amnesty regarding it was titled :- "Knives are out", arguing that the amnesty would be a failure.
All the youngsters I spoke to about this say that "Knives are out" means "get the knives out".

For further information see page 1 search results (world search / UK search in Google or similar) for "KNIFE METAPHORS" or search for "KNIFE OBSESSION" and see result 5 from www.dailymail.co.uk:-

"Murders by knife after deployment of knife metaphor" (dailymail.co.uk discussion thread)
[Don't commit knife crime - END of knife culture already]


If someone can get a message to Haiti from me about this it would be:-

'Please DO NOT commit rape. Rapists are extremely crap in bed - put yourself in the potential victim's shoes, how would you like it?'

I hope Haiti is rebuilt as quick as poss, and us rich nations show Haiti how generous we will be, in using our funds to support real life saving of lives etc. rather than spunking it all on the latest billion dollar mega-missile.

Rape victims have done nothing wrong themselves - and should now be treated with GREAT SYMPATHY, Haitians.

Originally posted by FouL-LiveR
Bondage Porn, or Rape Porn, is popular but fake.

The actors who play the rape victims are payed good money to do what they do. The girls know EXACTLY what they are doing, and have done it many times before. It's really good money, too hard for some girls to resist. The violence is part of the whole act. They sign contracts to get treated like that. It is technically violent rape, but the girls have been payed and agreed to it.

If it was the least bit real, it would be taken down. I assure you.

I agree it is disgusting, but there are all kinds of disgusting people out there, not just the sickos who watch it, but the girls who do it for a living.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by FouL-LiveR]

Absolutely correct. I run a site myself, and I can assure you all that the women you see getting "raped" are paid a great deal of money, sometimes as high as $1000+ for one scene. The models all sign a legal contract before anything is done, or filmed. A real rape on film would cause a great deal of legal problems for the men involved, and the website owner, and the camera crew. It's all fake, people, get over it. If a woman wants to make a ot of money having what she likes to do, that is her business.

To depict this is totally against the law of the land. It's a worldwide disgrace.

I have re-checked the websites in question, and can now report:-



a) the owners have moved the "rape" content by means of changing the 'tag' to such as "forced sex"

b) they had started putting "rape" on their front page, now this policy appears to have been revoked.

c) they have introduced pornography of a dodgy agegroup into their selection of available porn videos.

Originally posted by fraterormus
It is commonly known that the majority of women in the West will be a victim of either a violent rape or a date-rape at some point in their lives. The psychological impact of rape can be devastating. Many victims of rape find it useful to participate in fantasy rape. It allows them to have control of a situation in a role-playing perspective, re-enacting their trauma in a safe environment. Each time they re-enact the trauma while having control of the scene helps undo the damage that had been wrongfully done to them by someone else. Some women actually find a kind of liberation and release in surrendering control and responsibility during sex. The female psyche is a strange and peculiar thing that is difficult for men to understand. It defies logic and reason because although the females may have logic and reason, their psyche doesn't necessarily abide by them in a manner which men can easily comprehend.

Very disturbing.

Only the "badboy" types, who don't care as much can keep a straight face when a woman asks to be smacked around while getting "#ed"

[edit on 30-4-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

While I understand that the majority of rape videos are simulated, some dumb criminals will more than likely have video taped a REAL rape here and there, and quite possibly uploaded it to some sites. I say ugh to both the real and simulated versions, but that's just me. If people have a fetish, that's fine, as long as they remain within the boundaries of the law, just like if people want to act in these videos, by all means, do that for money and kicks and serve whatever audience wants this stuff.

Also, I actually highly commend the thread starter for excersizing his rights to report such material, legal or not. If it's obviously fake, it will stay and fetishists can still watch it. If it IS illegal, he has done the victim a good service by having it removed from the internet. After all, that's what reporting is for.

reply to post by Hazelnut


The poster is very correct. And the poster mentioned it is not something that some people can understand.

But you instantly took it to entertainment level, instead of understanding the therapy access of it.

And yes, many women do like rape roleplaying. Like the poster said, it gives a woman control.

don't believe me? Go to any virtual world that allows sex and see how many women are in submissive relationships.

I think you would be surprised.

Because to be put into a submissive position, is to actually be the one in control, but to also put trust into the dominant partner. So not only do you have to put trust again, you control the situation.

Wow i have not seen this thread in a while.
Okay rape porn is like McDonnalds. Millions enjoy it everyday, mothers and other people protest it. But when you ask people nobody will admit to enjoying either.

The point is the OP was looking for porn and found rape porn and he was ZOMG OFFENDED. Then he decided to call the cops. Please note he never answered my question.
What did the cops do when you called them.

Sorry man, but as a webmaster of an adult site I have to call this a non issue. The US and other governments are VERY into giving us adult webmasters a hassle over ANYTHING they can. Any offending site or material would surely be removed voluntarily or via force rather quickly especially if the site is as popular as you say it is. While there ARE ways to get away with things in this business, it is rather difficult to do and they have put into play alot of laws and rules to reduce the amount of illegal content.

Ad providers, hosts, domain registrars, and most important the payment processors ALL have it in their best interest to ensure the content on the site is up to code because they can be liable in some cases if it comes to light. Yanking hosting out from under a site is one thing, but payment processors can forfeit payments and domain registrars can forcibly take back the domain for material like this. Somewhere at some point, someone had to get information from the model and the person videotaping the materials. Yes you can just make an amateur video and post it online, but the site itself should have records on the models or something similar to remain legal.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by A-E-I-Owned-You]