Videotaped rape - now the 87th most popular website in the world

Originally posted by Karilla


How do you know that it will stop him offending? It seems to me that watching this kind of porn is just as likely to incentivise someone to emulate it, rather than making offending less likely. I think it reinforces the idea that such behaviour is acceptible, and so should be stamped out.

It does stop him from offending. Imagine this misanthropic guy who sits home and watches this kind of stuff, rubbing one out and vicariously enjoying the thrill of the fantasy.

My wife was raped when she was sixteen by a guy who kept her prisoner in a flat for 2 days and ver nearly killed her. She was the oldest of his eight previous victims. She lives with this every day, and it would be far, far worse if she thought there was video of the attack in circulation. Can you imagine?

She suffered terribly. Been there. Videotape of that kind of real violence is sick. Fantasies are just that - fantasies. Don't mix up what's real with what's simulated. Most real rape sites ahve a disclaimer that its not real, and fantasy somewhere. Gotta pay attention to that.

Anyone who gets off on this kind of stuff is almost as sick as the #ers who commit the acts in the first place. Personally I wouldn't mind dishing out the physical equivelant of the emotional pain rape victims suffer to any such sick bastard.

Anyone convicted of rape, or found in possession of rape porn should be chemically castrated.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Karilla]

You are entitled to that opinion.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Thanks for proving my point. My morals are for me. What my family does is their business as long as they dont brake the laws and do it with consenting adults. for proof positive

Originally posted by MagoSA
Fantasies are just that - fantasies. Don't mix up what's real with what's simulated. Most real rape sites ahve a disclaimer that its not real, and fantasy somewhere. Gotta pay attention to that.

I wasn't aware of that. I can't bring myself to visit these sort of sites even for research. A bit too close to home.

So let me get this straight...

To all the pro-rape fantasists here...

You REALLY wouldn't mind if i fantasised about tying up and abusing your mothers and sisters and daughters?

You wouldn't mind if i put a knife to her throat and violated her? You wouldn't mind if three or four sweaty men invaded her every orifice in the name of art?

You wouldn't mind if her bondaged form was displayed on the internet for every other rape lover to masturbate over her wriggling form?

Because it's art right?

(MODS I understand i've been a little harsh in my description but it's 100% within context, this is the only way i can back up my arguement)...

Honest answers only please...

No, it's not art, it's porn. Well it can be art too but who cares about that. And if you have a thing for my mom feel free to endulge them. You're beating a dead horse, let it go.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
So let me get this straight...

To all the pro-rape fantasists here...

You REALLY wouldn't mind if i fantasised about tying up and abusing your mothers and sisters and daughters?

what goes on in your head is your business. if thinking violent thoughts gets you off, then as long as it is a thought, a fantasy, or a dream then its cool.

You wouldn't mind if i put a knife to her throat and violated her? You wouldn't mind if three or four sweaty men invaded her every orifice in the name of art?

so long as its in your head, its cool. If its in real life... well, that's another argument. If its on tape, with disclosures and consents on file, then its ok, too.

You wouldn't mind if her bondaged form was displayed on the internet for every other rape lover to masturbate over her wriggling form?

Because it's art right?

You can have whatever fantasy you dream up in your twisted little head. I don't care who stars in it because it is within your head. Same for on film, so long as its not evidence of assault, or murder, and consented to by legal adults, then its just that, a sick fantasy. Emphasis on fantasy.


You know, I get the need to champion the fallen, and those who can't stand on their own two feet. But there is nothing you can do when two people agree to make a movie with gagging, toilet dunking, and other degrading activities, simply because he and she are being paid to act out the fantasy. Everything involved in selling that as 'real' is just that, selling and artifice.

The more you realize that sex, like action, can encompass the darkest parts of the human soul and be consensual, then you will realize that there will always be people who need that to keep their own desires in check. I think so long as the two people are sane, staying safe with each other, and consenting adults, its all up to them.

You can't legislate morality, you have to let people be so long as they are not infringing on someone else (meaning that other person is not consenting).

Originally posted by mr-lizard
So let me get this straight...

To all the pro-rape fantasists here...

You REALLY wouldn't mind if i fantasised about tying up and abusing your mothers and sisters and daughters?

You wouldn't mind if i put a knife to her throat and violated her? You wouldn't mind if three or four sweaty men invaded her every orifice in the name of art?

Honestly...
Does anyman want to think of other men even having regular sex with their mothers, sisters and daughters?

You wouldn't mind if her bondaged form was displayed on the internet for every other rape lover to masturbate over her wriggling form?

Because it's art right?

Again Mr. Lizzard nobody wants to see their mother daughter or sister in ANY form of porn so you argument fails quick with this rape thing being no exception. Sex is Sex plain and simple, nobody wants to see a family member having sex in any way (for the most part). And you know who cares what if your sister likes it rough? It is none of yours or my buissiness. The laws around porn are pretty strict, and if people want to be porn stars, i don't agree with it but more power to them. But there is nobody being forced to do something they do not want to do.The day you see your mother daughter or sister doing porn fine take it up with them, but do not try to tell me what is right and wrong by making a horrible argument about family members and porn.

Originally posted by fraterormus
It is commonly known that the majority of women in the West will be a victim of either a violent rape or a date-rape at some point in their lives.

i wasnt aware the something near 16.5% was a majority.... check your facts before you start spouting

My source

[edit on 18-9-2009 by joel.ohman]

Originally posted by Hazelnut
reply to post by fraterormus

 

fraternormus, I usually agree with your opinion on most topics I've seen you comment on. Unfortunately for me, this time I am diabolically opposed to your post and the insinuation that rape victims LIKE being in control of simulated reverse-rape situations.

Rape victims do not enjoy being raped, nor do they enjoy "therapies" that "enable them to be in control" in simulated fantasy. That is bizarre thinking. Women are the number one viewers of rape fantasies????

If everything you posted is backed by the medical community, I'm soaking three cigarettes in water and drinking the resulting poison to end this fiasco of a life on a planet that makes no sense whatsoever. When the sickest, most harmful, life ruining thing a girl/woman can ever experience becomes respectable entertainment, I quit.

i do believe he said "some" all it takes is two in the world is that unplausible to you

Originally posted by mr-lizard
You REALLY wouldn't mind if i fantasised about tying up and abusing your mothers and sisters and daughters?

Of course I wouldn't like it. Who would like to think about their mother/daughters having any kind of sex, even missionary? Disgusting!

But as long as it's fantasy then no, I may not agree with it but what goes on inside your head is your business.

Now if you were to act on this fantasy and attempt to turn it into reality (illegally of course, if you approached my daughter and she wanted to act out this fantasy with your for fun or profit or both then it becomes hers and your business not mine) then you better hide in the farthest corner of the world because I would hunt you down like a dog.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
You wouldn't mind if i put a knife to her throat and violated her? You wouldn't mind if three or four sweaty men invaded her every orifice in the name of art?

Don't really think anyone here is trying to call this art. If my daughter/mother agreed to act out this fantasy then it wouldn't be any of my business. I may not like it but if it's consensual then it's none of my business.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
You wouldn't mind if her bondaged form was displayed on the internet for every other rape lover to masturbate over her wriggling form?

Once again I may not like it but if she were to agree to this then it would be her business not mine.

What you want to do is legislate morality. Where does it stop? Every time someone finds something immoral we ban it?

Their are people out there that find any kind of porn disgusting and immoral.

I find the thought of two men having sex disgusting but I would fight for their right to be able to so.

It's about the freedom to do want one pleases as long as it is not infringing on the rights of others.

Just to be clear I'm not pro-rape porn, I'm pro-liberty.



[edit on 18-9-2009 by lucentenigma]

reply to post by mr-lizard


The above posts have made the relevant points, however to articulate my own point of view more fully I will say the following.
It has nothing to do with being pro rape fantasy or whether I would personally mind a loved one being involved. The issue is whether these people should be free to take part and whether those that use such porn are a danger. The answers are yes and no respectively and that is the extent that it is right to get involved; if it causes no real harm, if it’s done in private then it is not up to anyone else to judge.
To suggest these people are inherently evil or should be hunted down is to react to emotion not reason.

reply to post by maria_stardust


I am currently working on my second PHD in the anthropology field, first being genetics, my new PHD is in ancient mesopotamian studies focusing on the sumerians. I have some experience doing ethnographys though outside of the east. Last year I did work with the peace and justice system here in memphis, in that experience I worked with many rape victims and I asked them as part of my ethnographic report "Would you or any other woman you know who are also victims use violence or rape fantasies to cope with your situations" and the second question was "Now have you ever personally used sexual fantasies for self medication, and are those fantasies violent in nature". The resounding answer to both of my sex questions was "Yes"

To clarify... the girls i have been with i have only ever shown love.

My post was to show that ladies and girls are there to be loved.

I don't wish any harm upon ANY girl, in fact i have met a lovely lady this very night and i think she is beautiful. She took my number and it's in her own interest to decide whether to ring me or not.

I still say, that any man who indulges in fantasy rape porn is seriously lacking in social skills.

If any man would admit to me, they find it hard to converse with a girl and struggle to engage in conversation with a lady and can only get their jollies by beating off to rape porn then i can only say..

They may be a sad little individual, they might not be wired correctly, you may be pathetic.... but ultimately it's your choice.

Pathetic little pervert who masturbates over rape porn or not, if you ever met me... I might not judge you on your pathetic ways. In fact i wish you all the best. I just want to say that your sad little life is corrupted by the fact you feel more of a man by wishing the femal form to be dominated by an abusive male.

If this makes you feel betetr then i'm sorry...

It's not my fault you are sad little mae.

Hopefully in the next life you'll grow enough confidence to deal with the female ways, as opposed to maturbating over tied up and battered women.

If i ever met you, i wouldn't call you pathetic little men. Far from it... I'd offer you advice, maybe suggest you seek counselling and sexual assistance, possibly give you real world advice and pretend that you aren't the wankers that you are.

Or maybe i'd just laugh at how low you really are...
Either way, if it prevents you from degrading women then it would be a better world.

Originally posted by Mike_A

So instead of allowing your mother/sister/daughter the freedom to make her own choices, even if that leads her to something you don’t like, you would force her to bend to your will?

You do make a valid point here, no matter how immoral one might think it is. It is hard in this topic to separate emotion from logic, especially when you know somebody who has been the victim of rape (I do know somebody who has btw). At the end of the day however, if women consent to taking part in these scenes, who am I to tell an adult female what she can or cannot do.

I can tell a smoker that each cigarette is increasing their chance of developing serious health issues when they are older. I can tell and try and stop an obese person from eating themselves to death. I can try tell somebody that they should not rush into marriage no matter how in love they think they are.

At the end of the day however, if they choose to take an action that does not directly hurt or harm anyone else, then who am I to tell an adult how they should or should not live and what and what not they should do?

Also worthy of mention is Hollywood movies involving scenes of rape. Does one have a bias where rape in movies is fine but rape in porn is not? Just looking at all the possibilities here...

[edit on 18/9/2009 by Dark Ghost]

sounds like you looked at a lot of them first eh?, i have been and looked at these web sites, and trust me, the vids are all fakes, they are made for people who find that kind of thing arousing.

you are a little naive to think that real rape video's would be that easy to find, and naive to not be able to see that they are all staged.

further to what someone else has said, yes there are a lot of women who subscribe to the erotic idea of being taken by force by a swarthy young hansome man, not necessarily a 50 year old alcoholic tramp with herpes and bad breath, but alas there are many men who also like to view this stuff, it stops some of them going on to commit the crime by sating their sexual desires, but unfortunately their are some that it inspires.

the world is a strange place, i for one enjoy being tied up naked covered in ketchup and having pickles thrown at me while a dog tap dances to the mexican hat song, mmmmmmmm

reply to post by mr-lizard


Out of interest, what would you say to a woman who enjoyed watching this?

I would just like to re-iterate that just about all the harrowing clips I saw were recordings of real rapes, it would seem.

Why would you have videos labelled "Real Rape", have a real rape in the video, and then say well actually she was crying because she was paid to cry and is a brilliant actress?

reply to post by TheDailyPlanet


Hi Daily,
this sort of rubbish doesn't really surprise me; the fact that society just seems to get more decadent (or does it?).
I think this sort of thing has been an interest for many for a long time; it only more prevailent now because the internet has facilitated this sort of 'secretive' peering.
I must say though that there are many forms of role playing during courtship and sexual relations; and I think, as macarbe as it is, this is just another example.
It takes all types to create a cosmopolitan society; beastiality is quite popular for veiwing also: BUT ALAS; 'whatever floats your boat'!
Rape is a powerply more than a sexual act. When we talk of dominance and submission-this is just an extreme.

reply to post by Aziroth


Bull crap!

Second line.