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Videotaped rape - now the 87th most popular website in the world

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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I don't think you will find much debate on this issue. The very idea of having a "rape" category is stupid, irresponsible and has the potential for real rape occurring. It does not matter if the whole thing is controlled, it just has so much room for problems that it should not be allowed. I know everyone has their fetishes...but come on this is definitely crossing the line. (And you won't hear me say that often, honest.)




[edit on 18/9/2009 by Dark Ghost]




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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because of the nature of sex on camera, written consent has to be obtained from every model every time he pokes or she gets poked somewhere. That being said, we can debate the moralistic point of whether rape fantasy is truly rape on screen or not, or whether or not that kind of extreme pornography is ok or not.

That is a personal decision, and something that each person has to decide for themselves. A great example is S/M. some folks like to play rough. As long as they are safe, sane enough to rationally agree to the play, and consenting (which is why they have to sign paperwork) then its what people have decided to do on camera.

This may be reprehensible, but its not illegal.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Not to swamp anymore, but this is the nature of free speech. You have to take the idea that people will say repugnant, and commit to film repugnant material and have the freedom to do it. You also have the right to not patronize places that have this kind of material on it. Vote with your dollars, and if you pay for a site that has rape porn on it, you support it.

Its expression to a vile point, but it is still expression, which is governed by the Constitution. I may hate it, but if I support this nation's ideals, which involve being able to say something without persecution, then I have to support this, no matter how ugly it is.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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An important thing to remember in life, ... would probably be which girlfriend has the " rape fantasy".

I could see how it could lead to complications.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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I wonder if Katie Price (AKA JORDAN) is on the site??

Though I would ask as I don't frequent RAPE sites in anyway, infact I wouldn't even look.

Peace,

BLUE ARMS.

P.S. Don't ask "who is Katie Price?".



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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maybe maybe and maybe

really, we cant know if this is real or not ...


but, there are a lot of websites that show people beeing killed or dying ... thats horrible ...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Ghost
I don't think you will find much debate on this issue. The very idea of having a "rape" category is stupid, irresponsible and has the potential for real rape occurring. It does not matter if the whole thing is controlled, it just has so much room for problems that it should not be allowed. I know everyone has their fetishes...but come on this is definitely crossing the line. (And you won't hear me say that often, honest.)




[edit on 18/9/2009 by Dark Ghost]


maybe its not a fantasy ... maybe they are beeing paid to do that .. who knows



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps
This world has truly gone to hell. That's because the moral flower brigade with their superior morals make judgement upon sexual behaviour of others. Free consenting adults can get their kicks out of anything they desire. Other people and their moral high ground has no business judging them. It doesn't matter what you think is dirty, weird or perverted. It can be the most natural, loving and even spiritual to those who do it.


So if it was your mother / sister / daughter you wouldn't mind if she was simulating a rape scene with three guys?

If it was your son / brother / father and you found out his sexual urges could only be fulfilled by watching women being abused, you wouldn't mind?

Guess i have more morals.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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So if it was your mother / sister / daughter you wouldn't mind if she was simulating a rape scene with three guys?


So instead of allowing your mother/sister/daughter the freedom to make her own choices, even if that leads her to something you don’t like, you would force her to bend to your will?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Sorry i missed the part when i actually said that.... Hmm, i guess i must write invisibly or something?

I asked an honest question and i guess i take no pleasure seeing a woman getting punched about, abused and then degraded.

Is this wrong?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

So if it was your mother / sister / daughter you wouldn't mind if she was simulating a rape scene with three guys?

If it was your son / brother / father and you found out his sexual urges could only be fulfilled by watching women being abused, you wouldn't mind?

Guess i have more morals.


If it was my mother/sister I would have no issues - they are grown, consenting adults. My daughter, sadly, would break my heart, but ultimately if she is a grown consenting woman, I can't do a thing about it. To do otherwise would take away from her sovereignty as a human being to do with her body as she chooses.

My brother and father - the same concept of safe, sane, and consensual should be in play. Who am I to say that being rough shouldn't get their rocks off? As long as their partner consents and no laws are broken, then its all good.

What I mind is people being silly because of their own squeamish nature - no one is making you get off to this kind of thing, and if it makes you feel all squinky, then don't use it in your fantasies.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Well I’m going by your other posts which make it pretty clear you want the production of these videos stopped. In fact you went further than that and said that the people who make them should be hunted down.

Is that wrong? Do you, in fact, believe that people should be allowed to make free choices even if that choice is to take part in a simulated rape scene?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by MagoSA
What I mind is people being silly because of their own squeamish nature - no one is making you get off to this kind of thing, and if it makes you feel all squinky, then don't use it in your fantasies.



Squeemish eh?

Let me tell you about my friend.

She was dragged down an alleyway and abused for twenty minutes by a total stranger. He physically battered her, stripped her almost naked and destroyed her. left her bleeding from the waist down, bruised face etc.

Now she can't look any man in the eyes.

Now you tell me i'm pushing my morals onto someone. You tell me i am on some sort of moral campaign when you've had to see the psychological damage of a rape victim. Have you ever had to deal with it?

You tell me that [snip] to 'rape porn' is harmless fun... Because those people are consenting. You tell me that viewing the masculine domination of a woman by several men is healthy...

I dare you.



Mod Edit- removed phrase not needed to get the point across.


[edit on 18-9-2009 by elevatedone]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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See my above post.

Second line.

I have every right to be angry at these sad individuals who think it's horny to masturbate over these videos, just as much as you have every right to get turned on by viewing a defenceless lady being punished.

If you ever met my friend, i'd love you to try and tell her that rape porn is fine.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by mr-lizard]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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This really is all sick.

However, I highly doubt any, and especially not a majority of those "rape" videos are actual rape. There are some people in this world, who for some reason, get turned on by a rape situation, call it role playing I guess. There are companies that make "rape" porn to appeal to this (probably mentally disturbed) crowd. They will use knives as props, tie people up, and have the "actress" cry and act like she was really getting raped.

Regardless, its all pretty sad and disgusting. I've got nothing against the porn industry, as people love their porn. I can say that the makers of these rape style porns don't garner any respect from me though.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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My (fortunately in this case hypothetical) friend was attacked by a group of lads after some football game or another because of the shirt he was wearing. He was left with permanent brain damage, does that mean that films such as Greenstreet or The Firm should not be made, are they evil movies, should anyone watching them must be lumped in with the real hooligans?

Remember, we are not talking about rape victims, we’re talking about people acting.



Oh and please don't insinuate anything about my porn watching habits, I'll have you know my rather mild fetish of choice is for women with short hair; not sure why, I think it has something to do with Amanda Tapping.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Mike_A]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard


Squeemish eh?

Let me tell you about my friend.

She was dragged down an alleyway and abused for twenty minutes by a total stranger. He physically battered her, stripped her almost naked and destroyed her. left her bleeding from the waist down, bruised face etc.

Now she can't look any man in the eyes.

Now you tell me i'm pushing my morals onto someone. You tell me i am on some sort of moral campaign when you've had to see the psychological damage of a rape victim. Have you ever had to deal with it?

You tell me that jacking off to 'rape porn' is harmless fun... Because those people are consenting. You tell me that viewing the masculine domination of a woman by several men is healthy...

I dare you.



I'll not only take your dare, I'll explain it, in a case, just like you.

I happen to know this particular dude, he's not a nice guy - he works as a tech, so he doesn't actually interact with anyone. He's rude, nasty to people, and he doesn't like anyone very much. He doesn't date, and he's pretty much the kind of guy who's likely to end up spree killing.

But, he likes his porn. Violent and disturbing. Toilet stuff, choking, gagging, the kind of stuff that makes women seem like degraded pieces of trash. He digs it, and pretty much rubs one out whenever he can to it.

He likes it, and without it, he would probably be in jail for it.

Call him sick (I do) but he does what it takes to balance those forces in his psyche enough to be minimally functional in society, without really acting them out.

He qualifies for mental health services, and guess who the volunteer is that checks on him and makes sure he's ok? Me.

Your friend suffered horribly. This guy would be another victimizer to people like her if he didn't have his outlet.

You don't have to like it, but there's enough cruelty out there that this kind of video allows to be expressed without actually beating a woman down and brutalizing her.

You do what it takes to make sure you don't break the law. Once you do, all bets are off. Thats the diff between probably offenders and offenders. Probably might without the release the fantasy gives, offenders have already crossed the line.

I'll even top you. I am one of the rare guys who's been raped as part of a drunken hazing incident 13 years ago. Three hours, six guys, and I needed internal stitching. Two went to jail for less than five years.

And I can still put my ideals in front of my distaste.



[edit on 18/9/09 by MagoSA]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by MagoSAThis guy would be another victimizer to people like her if he didn't have his outlet.

You don't have to like it, but there's enough cruelty out there that this kind of video allows to be expressed without actually beating a woman down and brutalizing her.

You do what it takes to make sure you don't break the law. Once you do, all bets are off.


How do you know that it will stop him offending? It seems to me that watching this kind of porn is just as likely to incentivise someone to emulate it, rather than making offending less likely. I think it reinforces the idea that such behaviour is acceptible, and so should be stamped out.

My wife was raped when she was sixteen by a guy who kept her prisoner in a flat for 2 days and ver nearly killed her. She was the oldest of his eight previous victims. She lives with this every day, and it would be far, far worse if she thought there was video of the attack in circulation. Can you imagine?

Anyone who gets off on this kind of stuff is almost as sick as the #ers who commit the acts in the first place. Personally I wouldn't mind dishing out the physical equivelant of the emotional pain rape victims suffer to any such sick bastard.

Anyone convicted of rape, or found in possession of rape porn should be chemically castrated.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Karilla]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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The actual website is representing the rapes as real rapes. That is their admission up front. How damning is that? Go up to a policeman and say you have raped somebody and see what their response is. I think the folks uploading the videos need to be seen by law enforcement.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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It seems to me that watching this kind of porn is just as likely to incentivise someone to emulate it


But it doesn’t. There have been plenty of studies into such possible connections but they have found none.


Personally I wouldn't mind dishing out the physical equivelant of the emotional pain rape victims suffer to any such sick bastard.


Why doesn’t (or does?) this view extended to violent films or games?

Surely if someone who gets pleasure from this type of porn is more likely to go out and rape someone (they’re not) then anyone who enjoys watching gangster movies or play violent games is more likely to be involving in organised crime or become a serial killer.



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