Overthrow the democratically elected president, "how patriotic"

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BH is wrong Jenna.

I've started a thread about tort reform. Then there is the concept of opening insurance companies interstate. Both of which, the democrats in DC fail to want to do.
Ironic, that their own laws have caused this cost problem of healthcare in the first place.

But they find it easier to ignore the actual ideas to reforming healthcare and instead rely on the same old tired rhetoric that the dems spoon feed their followers.

As a reformed republican I agree that there is a stereo-type that is pervasive here.

Disagree with Obama? Republican. They can't stand the idea that real independants may have a disagreement or fifty with our current president.

reply to post by Miraj

People are upset that the politicians time and time again have betrayed out basic beliefs and the foundations of this country. They still continue on this path of self destruction. It's not about Obama, it's not about right or left, it's about politicians who don't know where they stand and keep pushing, pushing, pushing the people.

"it's about politicians who don't know where they stand " However the politicians DO know where they stand. Directly in front of the lobbyists (link) with their hands out

Lets look at a different democratic president, President Clinton, FOOD, and WTO.

"Democrats represent the common man, i.e. the middle and lower class. Republicans represent the elite- the upper class." That is the conventional Wisdom correct? That is why everyone is supposed to love Obama right???

Why did I chose Food and the WTO? Because the WTO had a large hand in causing the mess the world is now in and those who control food can starve the poor. (Global Food CRISIS)

To explain I will paraphrase a very good article by F. William Engdah who has studied trade issues since 1984. There are many others who back up his information. “...in 1994 the US voted to join a permanent trade body, the WTO. Unlike GATT, the WTO would be given tough sanction and enforcement powers. More important, decision making would be secret, with no oversight. The most vital issues of economic life on the planet were to be decided behind closed doors...” www.publiceyeonscience.ch...

Back to Clinton
Who was behind the US ratification of WTO?

Dan Amstutz, former VP of Cargill was head of the US delegation and wrote the draft for the Agreement on Ag.

Robert Shapiro was leading the US Official Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations in 1995, While Chairman of Monsanto. Member of the Board of Monsanto (1993-2000; as Chairman, 1995-2000) www.nationalaglawcenter.org...

Ann Veneman was floated as a possible running mate for Obama. She was Deputy Secretary of Agriculture in 1993. She was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation and instrumental in promoting their Biotech agenda.During her previous tenure at USDA Veneman was actively involved in the Uruguay Round of negotiations concerning the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), the North American Free Trade Agreement, Veneman was in Seattle to tell the WTO to move more aggressively to remove so-called "technical barriers to trade.

Mike Taylor was Deputy FDA Commissioner under Clinton[/], a cousin of Al Gore's wife, Tipper and previously chief outside counsel for Monsanto. He joined Monsanto as VP for Public Policy in1998.

The web of interconnections between industry and successive US administrations’ trade negotiators ensures that private (often monopoly) interests will trump those of people and the planet.

Mickey Kantor, US trade representative (USTR) for much of the Uruguay Round, subsequently became a Monsanto board member....

Marcia Hale, a former assistant to President Clinton and director for intergovernmental affairs, was director of international government affairs for Monsanto....

Clayton K. Yeutter, a former secretary of agriculture and US trade representative, who led the US team in negotiating NAFTA and helped launch the GATT Uruguay Round, joined the board of directors at Mycogen Corporation. Mycogen’s majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dow Chemical Company....

SOURCE

The bankers and Corporations OWN the US Congress and President. Obama is no different. So please take off the rose colored glasses and look at the facts instead of cheering because "your team" won. "your team" belongs to the elite not you.

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by hisshadow
I had hoped after overthrowing Bush, that we would have seen the last of these patriots.

For republicans, the definition of patriot is

Patriot: Violent gun brandishing redneck from one of the red states such as georgia, or texas, predominately drives large 4x4 trucks and does not believe in global warming. Along with environmental destruction and killing off woodland critters, in their spare time they enjoy invading other countries and holding seperation from the usa rallys.


How anyone, can vote for a republican, is beyond me...

Great post. Star from me. I would merely like to add they are generally not big tippers and usually exceed their tattoo to tooth ratio. There, that should do it. I jest.

Tattoo to tooth ratio I have never heard that one before.

I hope that your Yugo never breaks down while traveling through a rural section of one of these red states. You may just need their help when they find you crying in the fetal position on the side of the road.

These guys would give you the shirts off of their backs if you needed it. I learned that first hand when I broke down in rural VA in an old VW once. The tow driver had a questionable tattoo to tooth ratio. He took me to his shop, gave me a beer, fixed my car and sent me on my way. Guys like this certainly out number guys like you.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with cultural shock and fear and to be frank, that isnt sufficient enough to remove him from office.

Most of the people who dislike Obama and his policies on this site are the same ones who disliked Bush and his policies. Don't let that tiny little fact stand in the way though.

Sorry sir that is not a fact.
What is a fact is this:

Obama/Biden are part of a left of center administration

Bush/Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS

little bit of difference there my friend.

I for one am not a republican or democrat. The parties are meant to divide us and used to label people so that they can be dismissed and not heard. Don't like Bush's policies? You must be a left wing socialist democrat. Don't like Obama's policies? Your a right wing fascist republican. "Our guy, your guy, we won, you lost". I've got news for all of you - WE ALL LOST!!

As someone who is neither a Democrat or Republican I get lumped into one of these categories all the time. Here's a novel idea - TRY THINKING FOR YOURSELF!

The quicker you let go of these party loyalties the quicker you will see there are no parties!

..... pssst ..... a little secret ....... it's all a scam.

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Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Obama/Biden are part of a left of center administration

Saying Obama and Biden are a little left of center is the same as saying Hitler had a tiny issue with Poland in 1939.

Bush/Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS

little bit of difference there my friend.

The same war Obama and is adoring crowd is supporting now. Hmmff. So Obama is going ahead with a troop increase in Afghanistan , but that's different?

You liberals are sooo funny. Please post more. I need a laugh.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus

 

I think this may be the biggest group at this point and the group your allegiance to is obvious.

Forgive me for forgetting the last group. I have sinned an am not perfect. Please tell me what my allegiance is and why it is so obvious.

I await.

I was assuming that your omission of the fourth group was admission of being a supporter. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me and if I assumed incorrectly I am sorry. I would have thought with Semper Fi as your signature you would not have forgotten the fourth group on purpose.

Good topic and information, however you would have to be sleeping your entire life to see the people’s constitution has been trashed slowly over the last 50 to 100 years. The US constitution has not been upheld since the FED came into power, and no president aside from JFK has said one word about it or done anything about it. IMO the constitution and the people have been displaced by criminals who run this country. So this post is almost useless considering the constitution has not been upheld.
Earthchanges

Originally posted by truth_seeker3


You have obviously never studied The Constitution either. It says written by the people, for the people. But then again, the People consisted of White, property-owning males when they wrote it. I find it distasteful to quote this.

What you aren't realizing is they wrote it with such phrases as "all men are created equal" to allow freedom for all when the time was right and attitudes were in place. Some of the framers were probably thinking in terms of whites only but many were not.

This isnt about you, this isnt about your personal issues about the man, this is about the will of the constitution, the will of those men who stood around that table in 1775 to form this great Union of ours,

its funny how you keep comparing this country to the country that are founding fathers built...if these people were half as smart as our founding fathers we would be made. an example is george washington and thomas jefferson both had marijuana gardens in there back yard and they both used it to make clothes, rope, even used it as money. and guess what everyone was happier not cause they were smokin but because it was cheap to grow and it reaped huge proits. until our country founds this out were screwed.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.

You say this as if being out of touch with the modern world is a good thing.

Nobody cares whether you have or have not "seen an Xbox." Its irrelevant to the discussion and quite frankly, your being around for one president, ten presidents or every president doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anybody else's.

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count ME in on that one.

I have a question and maybe I may be wrong, but I thought to be considered a natural born citizen the person had to be one of the following, according to the constitution:
1) You are born on what is considered American soil. Means that a person born on say a military base in say Germany, they would be automatically considered an natural born citizen of the United States of America.
2) Or one of your PARENTS is an American Citizen. And they can either be a natural born Citizen or an immigrant who was naturalized.
If everyone who is saying that Barak Obama is not a citizen of the United States of America, does this mean that the thousands of children whose parents are not citizens but are born in the United States of America are no longer Citizens? Or say a child that is born in a foriegn country, cause one of their parents are in the military and could not get to a military hospital to give birth and did such in a foriegn hospital, do they have no claim to citizenship?
The point being, is that President Barak Obama is an American Citizen, his mother was from Kansas, and was studying in Hawaii at the time. So by the laws of the land, he is an American Citizen.

In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson states:

..."But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."... - Thomas Jefferson

The PEOPLE have the right to rebel against the government when it becomes corrupt. Well the time is now. The government has been unconstitutional and corrupt for over 10 years now, and some people still don't see the big agenda. We have needed a revolution long before Obama was elected.

Unfortunately if we are going to take this country back and restore it to prosperity and greatness we will have to use violent force to do so. If people can not accept this harsh fact then we won't be able to do anything to stop the elite from completing their agenda. When you attempt to overthrow the government, you will have to use force to do that. Their not gonna hand you the power, although I wish it was that easy.

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[edit on 12-9-2009 by Chief24]

Originally posted by mikerussellus
Careful BH, your liberal bias is showing.

Why should I be careful? I'm proud of my beliefs, both liberal and conservative. And I have always stated that I lean liberal. I'm not in the least ashamed of my beliefs regardless where they land on the stupid right/left paradigm. I have nothing to be ashamed or careful about.

Why can't you and the rest get over the fact that we are not the adoring supplicants that you are?

There was never anything to get over. I think the people who you call adoring supplicants have as much of a problem as the haters. But I responded to the OP.

To be fair, I'm talking about Congressional Republicans. The ones who are being completely obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist. I know not every Republican is like that. I'm speaking in general terms.

I'm quite proud of the OP's post. Its good to see somebody finally put the "patriots" in their place. It was never about freedom, rights, or saving the country from a dictatorship.

I have to ask you all this - do you even know what a dictatorship is? Do you know what socialism is? Go visit a socialist country or a true dictatorship and see what its really all about. In a dictatorship or a socialist country, there is no such thing as going on YouTube and saying "There's a revolution brewing." You do that, you go to a prison camp for "reindoctrination." Until someone can prove to me that is occuring in the United States, you can kindly keep your mouths shut. Please visit North Korea and Vietnam and I guarantee, you will NEVER misuse the words dictatorship and socialist ever again.

What more proof? Today, there is a massive right-wing rally in D.C. Would a dictatorship tolerate such a massive display of defiance towards the state? Don't make me answer that.

As for people who say "we're just being persecuted for disagreeing with the president," guess what - I disagree with the president all the time. I hav never been persecuted. Federal agents have never come knocking on my door. You all are going beyond disagreements. You are making false accusations and essentially being the whiny liberals you once loved to rail on.

Need I also point out, for the umpteenth time, that you all were fearfully hiding like cowards before November 2008. This man comes along, suddenly you find your courage and strength?

Yes, true patriots you are!

Originally posted by truth_seeker3

Lets look at past examples in history:
-Hitler
-Stalin
-Atauturk

Guess it got kinda buried, hope nobody minds me asking again: What is Atatürk doing there with those other two???

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Read the threads posted before Nov 2008, and see if you still think that way. It's easy to throw around rhetoric. Try research next time before you try to insult a group of people.

-sad-

Originally posted by Yazman

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.

You say this as if being out of touch with the modern world is a good thing.

Nobody cares whether you have or have not "seen an Xbox." Its irrelevant to the discussion and quite frankly, your being around for one president, ten presidents or every president doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anybody else's.

Yeah it's irrelevant about the X box. ITS ALSO IN REPLY TO PROTO's POST TO ME about "putting down the X box".
JJJEZ! Reading comprehension anyone?
Yeah, and experience teaches nothing. Brilliant point.
So how am I out of touch with the modern world? Again?

Originally posted by OldDragger
The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Obama won. Game over ......????

It's not about Obama. The game STARTS when a president is elected.

It is about the citizens and the constitution.

Obama didn't "win" he was elected by the constitutional congress.

The presidency isn't a prize to keep and use as the president wants. It is an office held by a public servant who is accountable to the people.

These people in DC work for us. We do have the right to call for these public servants to represent their constituency and to take steps to have them removed if they do not perform in the best interests of the citizens.

Getting to sit in the oval office isn't winning.

What a president actually accomplishes in that office is what counts.