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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 09:12 AM by mikerussellus
reply to post by Jenna



BH is wrong Jenna.

I've started a thread about tort reform. Then there is the concept of opening insurance companies interstate. Both of which, the democrats in DC fail to want to do.
Ironic, that their own laws have caused this cost problem of healthcare in the first place.

But they find it easier to ignore the actual ideas to reforming healthcare and instead rely on the same old tired rhetoric that the dems spoon feed their followers.

As a reformed republican I agree that there is a stereo-type that is pervasive here.

Disagree with Obama? Republican. They can't stand the idea that real independants may have a disagreement or fifty with our current president.


reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 09:21 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by Miraj





People are upset that the politicians time and time again have betrayed out basic beliefs and the foundations of this country. They still continue on this path of self destruction. It's not about Obama, it's not about right or left, it's about politicians who don't know where they stand and keep pushing, pushing, pushing the people.


"it's about politicians who don't know where they stand " However the politicians DO know where they stand. Directly in front of the lobbyists (link) with their hands out

Lets look at a different democratic president, President Clinton, FOOD, and WTO.

"Democrats represent the common man, i.e. the middle and lower class. Republicans represent the elite- the upper class." That is the conventional Wisdom correct? That is why everyone is supposed to love Obama right???

Why did I chose Food and the WTO? Because the WTO had a large hand in causing the mess the world is now in and those who control food can starve the poor. (Global Food CRISIS)

To explain I will paraphrase a very good article by F. William Engdah who has studied trade issues since 1984. There are many others who back up his information. “...in 1994 the US voted to join a permanent trade body, the WTO. Unlike GATT, the WTO would be given tough sanction and enforcement powers. More important, decision making would be secret, with no oversight. The most vital issues of economic life on the planet were to be decided behind closed doors...” www.publiceyeonscience.ch...

Back to Clinton
Who was behind the US ratification of WTO?

Dan Amstutz, former VP of Cargill was head of the US delegation and wrote the draft for the Agreement on Ag.

Robert Shapiro was leading the US Official Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations in 1995, While Chairman of Monsanto. Member of the Board of Monsanto (1993-2000; as Chairman, 1995-2000) www.nationalaglawcenter.org...

Ann Veneman was floated as a possible running mate for Obama. She was Deputy Secretary of Agriculture in 1993. She was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation and instrumental in promoting their Biotech agenda.During her previous tenure at USDA Veneman was actively involved in the Uruguay Round of negotiations concerning the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), the North American Free Trade Agreement, Veneman was in Seattle to tell the WTO to move more aggressively to remove so-called "technical barriers to trade.

Mike Taylor was Deputy FDA Commissioner under Clinton[/], a cousin of Al Gore's wife, Tipper and previously chief outside counsel for Monsanto. He joined Monsanto as VP for Public Policy in1998.



The web of interconnections between industry and successive US administrations’ trade negotiators ensures that private (often monopoly) interests will trump those of people and the planet.

Mickey Kantor, US trade representative (USTR) for much of the Uruguay Round, subsequently became a Monsanto board member....

Marcia Hale, a former assistant to President Clinton and director for intergovernmental affairs, was director of international government affairs for Monsanto....

Clayton K. Yeutter, a former secretary of agriculture and US trade representative, who led the US team in negotiating NAFTA and helped launch the GATT Uruguay Round, joined the board of directors at Mycogen Corporation. Mycogen’s majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dow Chemical Company....

SOURCE



The bankers and Corporations OWN the US Congress and President. Obama is no different. So please take off the rose colored glasses and look at the facts instead of cheering because "your team" won. "your team" belongs to the elite not you.






reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 09:23 AM by jibeho
Originally posted by kinda kurious
Originally posted by hisshadow
I had hoped after overthrowing Bush, that we would have seen the last of these patriots.

For republicans, the definition of patriot is

Patriot: Violent gun brandishing redneck from one of the red states such as georgia, or texas, predominately drives large 4x4 trucks and does not believe in global warming. Along with environmental destruction and killing off woodland critters, in their spare time they enjoy invading other countries and holding seperation from the usa rallys.


How anyone, can vote for a republican, is beyond me...


Great post. Star from me. I would merely like to add they are generally not big tippers and usually exceed their tattoo to tooth ratio. There, that should do it. I jest.




Tattoo to tooth ratio I have never heard that one before.

I hope that your Yugo never breaks down while traveling through a rural section of one of these red states. You may just need their help when they find you crying in the fetal position on the side of the road.

These guys would give you the shirts off of their backs if you needed it. I learned that first hand when I broke down in rural VA in an old VW once. The tow driver had a questionable tattoo to tooth ratio. He took me to his shop, gave me a beer, fixed my car and sent me on my way. Guys like this certainly out number guys like you.



reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 09:40 AM by I_am_Spartacus
Originally posted by jam321
reply to
post by I_am_Spartacus



I think this may be the biggest group at this point and the group your allegiance to is obvious.


Forgive me for forgetting the last group. I have sinned an am not perfect. Please tell me what my allegiance is and why it is so obvious.

I await.


I was assuming that your omission of the fourth group was admission of being a supporter. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me and if I assumed incorrectly I am sorry. I would have thought with Semper Fi as your signature you would not have forgotten the fourth group on purpose.


reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 09:51 AM by Yazman
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to
post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.


You say this as if being out of touch with the modern world is a good thing.

Nobody cares whether you have or have not "seen an Xbox." Its irrelevant to the discussion and quite frankly, your being around for one president, ten presidents or every president doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anybody else's.


reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 10:20 AM by sweatmonicaIdo
I'm quite proud of the OP's post. Its good to see somebody finally put the "patriots" in their place. It was never about freedom, rights, or saving the country from a dictatorship.

I have to ask you all this - do you even know what a dictatorship is? Do you know what socialism is? Go visit a socialist country or a true dictatorship and see what its really all about. In a dictatorship or a socialist country, there is no such thing as going on YouTube and saying "There's a revolution brewing." You do that, you go to a prison camp for "reindoctrination." Until someone can prove to me that is occuring in the United States, you can kindly keep your mouths shut. Please visit North Korea and Vietnam and I guarantee, you will NEVER misuse the words dictatorship and socialist ever again.

What more proof? Today, there is a massive right-wing rally in D.C. Would a dictatorship tolerate such a massive display of defiance towards the state? Don't make me answer that.

As for people who say "we're just being persecuted for disagreeing with the president," guess what - I disagree with the president all the time. I hav never been persecuted. Federal agents have never come knocking on my door. You all are going beyond disagreements. You are making false accusations and essentially being the whiny liberals you once loved to rail on.

Need I also point out, for the umpteenth time, that you all were fearfully hiding like cowards before November 2008. This man comes along, suddenly you find your courage and strength?

Yes, true patriots you are!


reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 10:43 AM by mikerussellus
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



Read the threads posted before Nov 2008, and see if you still think that way. It's easy to throw around rhetoric. Try research next time before you try to insult a group of people.

-sad-


reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 10:53 AM by OldDragger
Originally posted by Yazman
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to
post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.


You say this as if being out of touch with the modern world is a good thing.

Nobody cares whether you have or have not "seen an Xbox." Its irrelevant to the discussion and quite frankly, your being around for one president, ten presidents or every president doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anybody else's.


Yeah it's irrelevant about the X box. ITS ALSO IN REPLY TO PROTO's POST TO ME about "putting down the X box".
JJJEZ! Reading comprehension anyone?
Yeah, and experience teaches nothing. Brilliant point.
So how am I out of touch with the modern world? Again?
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