Supreme Court on Campaign Finance Tomorrow, page 1
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Topic started on 8-9-2009 @ 12:20 PM by antar


There is going to be a special meeting by the Supreme court tomorrow which could potentially herald in the most monumentous change in campaign finance in over a century.

The Supreme Court in it's last session discussed the arguements over whether or not Hillary Clinton should become an electioneering communication and should be subject to campaign finance rules.

www.fec.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

This important question lead to a much broader vision of governments right to regulate political advertising and corporate contributions to and for political campaigns.

By not addressing the issue of Hillary they instead called for a rehearing which just may institute corporate monies flowing into our political systems in unpresidented amounts.


Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission



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Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission

Supreme Court of the United States
Argued March 24, 2009
Reargued September 9, 2009

Full case name Citizens United, Appellant v. Federal Election Commission
Docket nos. 08-205
Prior history defendant granted summary judgement 530 F. Supp. 2d 274 (D.C. 2008),[1] certiorari granted U.S.
Questions presented
Whether federal campaign finance laws apply to a critical film about Senator Hillary Clinton intended to be shown in theaters and on-demand to cable subscribers.
Court membership
Chief Justice
John G. Roberts

Associate Justices
John P. Stevens · Antonin Scalia
Anthony Kennedy · Clarence Thomas
Ruth Bader Ginsburg · Stephen Breyer
Samuel Alito · Sonia Sotomayor

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission is an ongoing legal case in which the United States Supreme Court will decide whether a politically charged film can be defined as a "campaign ad" under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, commonly known as the McCain-Feingold Act. This case is an appeal from a lower court case of the same name from 2008, in which the United States District Court for the District of Columbia sided with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) that Hillary: The Movie could not be shown on television right before the 2008 Democratic primaries under the McCain-Feingold Act. Legal scholar Erwin Chemerinsky called it “one of the most important First Amendment cases in years.”[2]


Background
Citizens United, a conservative nonprofit organization, wanted to run television commercials promoting its film Hillary: The Movie, a documentary critical of then-Senator Hillary Clinton.[3] In January 2008, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the commercials violated the provision in the McCain-Feingold Act restricting "electioneering communications" 30 days before primaries and clearly had no other purpose than discredit Clinton; Citizens United argued that the film was fact-based and nonpartisan.[4]

The Supreme Court docketed this case on August 18, 2008,[5] and heard oral arguments on March 24, 2009.[3][6][7] A decision was expected sometime in the early summer months of 2009.[8]

However, on June 29, 2009, the Supreme Court issued an order directing the parties to reargue the case on September 9 after issuing briefs on larger issues.[9] At oral argument, Citizens United is to address the following question: "For the disposition of this case, should the Court overrule either or both Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce and the part of McConnell v. FEC which addresses the facial validity of Section 203 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002?”[10]


[edit on 8-9-2009 by antar]


reply posted on 8-9-2009 @ 01:00 PM by marg6043
reply to post by antar



So sad that I have not seen anything in the news about this, incredible how some information just goes unnoticed by the regular population.

Transparency in Washington is nothing but a joke, and the so call promises of keeping lobbyist away from Washington is nothing but a big campaign lie.



reply posted on 8-9-2009 @ 02:41 PM by antar
reply to post by marg6043



Yes so lets just see what red herring is brought into play tomorrow to keep us looking in the opposite direction. I will do what I can to report back my findings.
Thanks for posting, I guess this is not as important as the AJ hoax.

I know its boring political governemt stuff, so I will attempt to color it with witty opine.


reply posted on 8-9-2009 @ 03:43 PM by antar
From a link on the corporate Justice blog

corporatejusticeblog.blogspot.com...

Citizens United v. FEC



Case Summary

On December 13, 2007, Citizens United, a nonprofit membership corporation, filed a complaint in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia challenging the constitutionality of the statutory provisions governing disclaimers on, and disclosure and funding of, certain "electioneering communications" (ECs). On January 15, 2008, the District Court denied Citizens United’s motion for a preliminary injunction, in which Citizens United requested that the court prevent the FEC from enforcing its electioneering communications provisions.


Background
An EC is a broadcast, cable or satellite communication that refers to a clearly identified federal candidate and is publicly distributed within 30 days of a primary election or within 60 days of a general election. 2 U.S.C. §434(f)(3)(A)(i) and 11 CFR 100.29(a). Corporations and labor organizations are generally prohibited from using their general treasury funds to finance ECs. 2 U.S.C. §441b(b)(2) and 11 CFR 114.2(b)(2)(iii).

The Commission recently modified its regulations governing the funding of ECs by corporations and labor organizations in response to the Supreme Court’s decision in FEC v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc. (WRTL II). In that case the Supreme Court held that because the ads in question were not the "functional equivalent of express advocacy," the prohibition on corporate or labor organization funding of ECs was unconstitutional as applied to WRTL’s ads. The Court further held that a communication is the "functional equivalent of express advocacy" only if it "is susceptible of no reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate."

The FEC revised its rules to provide a general exemption from the prohibition on corporate and labor organization funding of ECs unless the communication is susceptible of no reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a clearly identified federal candidate. The revised regulations do not exempt any ECs from the reporting and disclaimer requirements.


From the NY Times:
www.nytimes.com...

In an 1816 letter, Thomas Jefferson declared his hope to “crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”



The point here is that the big corportations are already running free on a roller coaster without breaks. They operate above the law and yet fall short of Gods law of nature.


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 10:26 AM by Chilled Zen
I'd be checking the Citizens United website as it has a good amount of detail on the issue.

reply to post by marg6043



Banning lobbying altogether might work, make it so that representatives can only be approached by their constituents. No lobbyist system should mean less corruption.

But of course that would also mean non profit organisations/charity's would be hit as well, and if you made it so only non profit organisations could lobby then the big Corporations would just donate through phony companies.

Removing the system altogether until a better way is found seems the way forward to me, regulation can be exploited.


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 11:07 AM by antar
Ok so on msnbc Senator Mccain and Feingold speaks very strongly on reform:

Mccain:
The influence in money corporate and union and soft money on the lgustrative process, it was Roosevelt that talked about the corrupting influence of big money in politics, and the issue of corporate funding and union funding has not been an issue since early early in the last century, now there are certain judges alleging corporations have the same rights as citizens, I dont accept that premise.


Feingold:
And of course were concerned when a court sets a special argument and not an issue relating specifically to Mccain Feingold but whether that law should be over turned and the idea in an era of AIG and Exxon that their corporate treasuries would be opened up to destroy the political processes is a very bizarre time for these justices to be considered to destroy this long standing law that has protected our Democracy.


Mccain:
One thing I know that if the court over turns long standing bans for Bicra or Mccain Feingold,the ban on corporate and union campaign contributions, I think you will see an era of corruption and then you will see an era of reform. Just as you've seen throughout our history.


Feingold:
And if they do it strictly on a first amendment ground, not allowing us to regislate, they will disable the Government. The representatives of the people of this country from ever fixing the campaign finance system. That could be the result of this, we could have no ability to change it at all.


Mccain:
Does anyone believe that the rights of average citizens to be heard in washington would not be over ridden by massive , unlimited campaign contributions? Corporations and Unions? That is a disconnect from reality! We saw the corruption, and we acted and that's why congress acted. Not in congress's self interest but because it was a demand on the part of the American people for us to act and we did.



reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:29 PM by Chilled Zen
Not sure if this has been included yet.




Quite a double edged issue, if citizens united fail then its a blow to freedom of speech, and if they win it potentially gives corporations more political influence.

It would be better if the money raised went towards more debates instead of Ads, a fairer way and one which would allow 3rd party candidates more of a chance.


reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 12:30 PM by Gools
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Thanks for the transcript of the arguments.

Has a decision come down yet?
Any news on when it's expected?
.


reply posted on 24-9-2009 @ 01:55 PM by antar
reply to post by Gools



Not sure but I will keep you informed as soon as I find out. What did you make of the discussions? I was simply in jaw dropping state as I read the comments by the Supreme court Justices in this one, in fact I was cracking up at the wordiness and square dance they did around the issue.

They actually used words like magic and others I cant recall right off hand but yes, it was something to read huh?

Sounded like they are wanting to keep things as they are but only to protect the individual, this being messed with corporations at the conception of the constitution was brilliant, it protects the corporations by naming them as individuals, so if they loose their first amendment rights so does everyone else.

Also to note it was interesting how they seemed to defend the out of country investors too, that was almost telling if you ask me.

Thanks for taking time to read this important session, did you by chance know about any of the other issues they bring to the discussion? Sounded like if they allowed this it would overturn many others already decided.
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