Originally posted by Xtrozero
Nice!

I just hope the Polygamist get to have as many partners as they want now, and the pedophiles get to lower the legal age of consent to 13, and let’s not leave out those who practice beastality.

Its all normal rght?

How is any of this a logical extension? If marriage is between a man and a woman does it make it legal for a fifty year old man to marry a thirteen year old girl in the United States? No.

What does pedophilia have to do with homosexuality? What does bestiality have to do with homosexuality? You could have man on girl pedophilia, you can have man on female chicken bestiality.

Two tax paying adults who both understand what they are getting into is vastly different than an adult and someone who thinks Spongebob lives in the TV. What's more it is really an insult to even compare the two! Pedophilia is the most disgusting abhorrent act that defies the larger Natural Law that the adult must protect the young. Having dealt with people who have been harmed in that manner I can tell you that it is vastly, vastly different. A child doesn't have a choice when a bigger person tries to force themselves upon them, nor do a lot of the animals that get wrangled into sickness.

Let's keep the debate fair, and not demonize people. If you don't like the idea of homosexuality, fine. Don't practice it.

FYI, I was a hospice worker at one time and I had a evangelical client who thought gays were going straight to hell in the first available handcart. When her church wasn't able to heal her the first time they prayed, suddenly it was her fault for not having a strong enough faith and they abandoned her. Hence me being the "support" when she couldn't get it from her church. Me, a Catholic, another one to burn in hell.

I drove her all over, made her life as fun as possible for the last months, and I took her to a salon where my gay friend shaved her head for her, fitted her with a free wig, did her makeup, got her a massage, and at the end of her life two of her closest friends were people that she thought were going to burn at one point.

She grabbed me by the hand and looked at me one day as I sat with her through chemo and she said: You are my angel! My angel. To the gay man she once feared...he wasn't a gay man, he was a kind man.

Righteousness isn't about the things we do that are wrong, but what we do that is right. Gays should be judged like everyone else. Were they there when someone was hungry and needed food? Were they there when someone was sick? When someone needed help, did they give it?

Sorry, but this whole argument just saddens me. It just does.

I can't wait till they find out what a disadvantage legal marriage is.

If they adopt children, the court will have the say of which partner has custody, and hwo much the other must pay for suport.

And of course there will be in some cases Alimony.

They will come to appreciate how free they were before.

I don't understand why people get upset with other people who make a choice concerning who they love, who they want to make a commitment to, whether in private, in a church, or in a civil agreement. But I must add here, if two women agree to marry a man, or two men agree to marry a woman (Paint Your Wagon, anyone?) what is it to me? And I go so far as to say, perhaps 300 men marry a woman. So what? If all are inclined to do this, then what does it matter to me? Oh, God will destroy my nation? So be it. But as long as my wife and I abide by a rule that we are married and all is well, then so what? We get destroyed too? Oh, but that is okay. We will have everlasting life with God. And the rest will burn in hell.

"Like it or not"............ I like it just fine. It's none of my business, any more than it is any of your business whom I chose to wed.

It's really just that simple.

Originally posted by A Fortiori
How is any of this a logical extension? If marriage is between a man and a woman does it make it legal for a fifty year old man to marry a thirteen year old girl in the United States? No.

Well since in America, marriage has been defined, for oh 200 plus years, as a union between one man and one woman and if we decide it no longer is just that then all should get their way. There are arguments for any of these behaviors that are just as valid as homosexuals arguing for marriage.

What does pedophilia have to do with homosexuality? What does bestiality have to do with homosexuality? You could have man on girl pedophilia, you can have man on female chicken bestiality.

They all are behaviors that are not the norm as to what the majority of society practice, so why lift one above the other?

"Pedophilia" is the most disgusting abhorrent act that defies the larger Natural Law...

Where you write "pedophilia" above replace it with "homosexuality", would not that have been the tipical view of America 30 years ago?

Also if I wanted to argue the point as homosexuals have relentlessly done for decades, does not nature provide the typical 13 year old (give or take a year)the ability to procreate? So natural law suggests that puberity is adulthood.

Let's keep the debate fair, and not demonize people. If you don't like the idea of homosexuality, fine. Don't practice it.

Once again you can replace your word "homosexuality" with anyone of my suggestions too. Don't demonize them.....

FYI, I was a hospice worker.....

Great story, but explain why again that a person shouldn't be able to have 5, 10, 15 wives/husbands, or marry a person past puberty, or have an open government recognized relationship with their pet chicken?
My point is that homosexuality was at one point in our past part of the abnormal, but today it is considered a normal behavior.

I do not agree with it or disagree, but I do find it all hypocritical in after a huge multi decade propaganda campaign to put it into the “normal” category that all the other abnormal behaviors are still abnormal…..




[edit on 1-9-2009 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by Xtrozero

They all are behaviors that are not the norm as to what the majority of society practice, so why lift one above the other?

Mmm, women driving is illegal in SA ...

In other countries women are put to death for getting gang raped ...

Prostitution is legal in Thailand ...

Are human rights to be subject to the whim of a particular society?
Should one's rights depend on the "luck of the draw" of where they happen to be born?

Sorry, but this is a tired, failed, and disingenuous argument.

[edit on 1 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by NoJoker13
When gays can get married everywhere that will be a happy day, I'm all for equal rights. As far as I'm concerned we're not equal toward the homo-sexual race (cleary) and I'm a hetero-sexual male.

There is no homosexual race. They are not a special race or special breed of humans. They are humans with a sexual paraphilia (a deviant sexual fetish). They are males that prefer sex with other males rather than with females.

How males have sex with males should be discussed so everyone knows what goes on. They can't procreate (reproduce), so they recruit....and it's all about building a lifestyle around getting off with their fetish partner.

I could care less if they want to get married. If they want to be that stupid then let them get married. Their marriages will inadvertently provide more work to lawyers and the courts. I can't wait to start hearing about gays in divorce court....ha...ha..ha..haaaaa! Oh, I forgot to add all the extra work Gays provide for surgeons that do hemorrhoid surgeries. OUCH!!

[edit on 1/9/09 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by NoJoker13
When gays can get married everywhere that will be a happy day, I'm all for equal rights. As far as I'm concerned we're not equal toward the homo-sexual race (cleary) and I'm a hetero-sexual male.

There is no homosexual race. They are not a special race or special breed of humans. They are humans with a sexual paraphilia (a deviant sexual fetish). They are males that prefer sex with other males rather than with females.

How males have sex with males should be discussed so everyone knows what goes on. They can't procreate (reproduce), so they recruit....and it's all about building a lifestyle around getting off with their fetish partner.

Strange I did not know I suffered from a Fetish? And I'm a little confused as to why you only spoke about males? Do lesbians not exist in your closed minded little world?

And no we do not recruit. Only a simpleton things that the gays are out to change everybody to gay. We are who we are, we only ask that you folks unti the knot in your panties and learn to live with it.

~Keeper

What I find entirely funny is that marriage, a religious ceremony is so political. Personally I think it should be taken out of the political realm and left back where it got started and that was with the churches.
I also thought that as a country we were beyond the fear of change, but we are not. Is marriage and monogomy such a bad thing? Would it mean that the people that are protrayed to be perverted or just weird, are actually normal.
Personally I would also think that if people stop fearing about 2 people of the same sex getting married, they may see the benifits, to the tune of millions of dollars, as those wanting to get married would mean that they would have to pay the same things that would go into a marriage.