Like it or not, all 50 States must now recognize Gay Marriages!, page 1
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Topic started on 1-9-2009 @ 08:22 PM by JaxonRoberts
How can this be? Let me start with this:

At the stroke of midnight, as the date ticked over to Sept. 1st, Vermont's new same-sex marriage law took effect. Some couples took advantage of that timing, with a few getting married right after the stroke of midnight.

Vermont is one of five states that now allow same-sex couples to marry. Massachusetts, Connecticut and Iowa are the others. New Hampshire's law takes effect on Jan. 1st, 2010.

However, Vermont is the first state to legalize gay marriage through legislation, rather than a judicial ruling. In 2000, Vermont was also the first state to allow civil unions as an alternative to marriage. On April 7, when the state House and state Senate voted 100-49 and 23-5, respectively, to override a veto by the governor.
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Notice the part in bold type? So why would the other States be forced to recognize Gay Marriages (as opposed to civil unions) performed in these States? The U.S. Constitution; Article IV, Section 1- Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.


So while they may prohibit Gay couples from getting married in their State, they have absolutely no choice in regards to recognizing the Marriages performed in other States. This also renders the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) unconstitutional. It's only a matter of time now before this is brought before the Supreme Court.


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 08:37 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by SevenThunders



That is your personal belief my friend. And although I respect it. I highly doubt that God destroys societies because they embrace acceptance and individuality.

As far as I am concerned God hates sin, not the sinner. We are all sinners, and judgment is in his hands not humans.

~Keeper


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 08:47 PM by earthship35
reply to post by SevenThunders



I would really hope god has better things to do than worry what two adults do in the bedroom..The problem is religion we should be banning that in every way shape and form if you use it to take rights away from people, and i am a hetro male happily married..



reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 08:55 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by SevenThunders



Every civilization that has not embraced homosexuality has been destroyed. So what's your point?


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:05 PM by A Fortiori
reply to post by SevenThunders



Every state that embraced money and power has been destroyed.

Every state that embraced capitalism has been destroyed.

Every state that has farmers has been destroyed.

Every state that embraced representative democracy has been destroyed.

All nations eventually fall because people run them. Jesus said quite plainly that our kingdom is not of this world. We get too wrapped up in earthly kingdoms.


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:10 PM by stevegmu
Your whole argument is moot because state law can not supersede federal law.



SUPREMACY CLAUSE - "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." U.S. Const. art. VI, Paragraph 2

Under the Supremacy Clause, everyone must follow federal law in the face of conflicting state law. It has long been established that "a state statute is void to the extent that it actually conflicts with a valid federal statute" and that a conflict will be found either where compliance with both federal and state law is impossible or where the state law stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress. Edgar v. Mite Corp., 457 U.S. 624, 631 (1982). Similarly, we have held that "otherwise valid state laws or court orders cannot stand in the way of a federal court's remedial scheme if the action is essential to enforce the scheme." Stone v. City and County of San Francisco, 968 F.2d 850, 862 (9th Cir. 1992), cert. denied, 113 S. Ct. 1050 (1993).

Due to concerns of comity and federalism, the scope of federal injunctive relief against an agency of state government must always be narrowly tailored to enforce federal constitutional and statutory law only. Toussaint v. McCarthy, 801 F.2d 1080, 1089 (9th Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 481 U.S. 1069 (1987). This is critical because "a federal district court's exercise of discretion to enjoin state political bodies raises serious questions regarding the legitimacy of its authority." Id.


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reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:12 PM by Nutter
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



I like this post actually. Being a gay man who agrees one hundred percent with you, I say go ahead and keep your headaches.


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:15 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



OK, that post made me laugh! I've been married, so I know better than to make that mistake twice. But you forgot that those who chose to will also have the right to be their mates next of kin when something bad happens, they will have the right to inherit their mates estate when they die, they will have the right to... You get the point!


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 09:15 PM by red_leader
reply to post by SevenThunders



I dunno if you've read any history at all but every civilization that ever existed has been destroyed. It has nothing to do with homosexuality.
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