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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Hi there ATSers. I've been following the forums for quite some time now and never had a chance to contribute.

Recently I've come across some really interesting info and I thought I should put them here. (Skip to the second post if you are impatient.)

Since we have seen on ATS so many English conspiracy/alternative theories, I thought it’d be a change of fresh air to bring some Chinese ones here. Apparently there’s a lot of crazy stuff being said on Chinese ‘alternative’ forums, even though not as much as on the English forums. After some evaluation of the sources and their posts, I picked up tidbits that may hold some truth or may come from credible sources.

The info I came across are from a few different sources, so there may be contradictions and the quality of the info varies. ("OS" = one of the sources) I will post links to the original ‘leak’ threads (in Chinese) for those interested.

Alternative history of ancient China. By a source who claims to be a descendant of the ancient society "School of the Military". (see wiki) The original article and its copies were censored/deleted on the Chinese web, only a few of the blogs on non-Chinese servers have copied the text.
luobupo210.blog.hexun.com...

Aliens, previous civilizations and alternative history of mankind. This guy never claims he is anything, he just talks about stuff. Other reputed posters have reported accuracy of the insider info he has.
www.xhclub.net...

Technologies and the financial markets. This source claims his boss is an extraordinary Physicist who answers directly to President Hu and Premier Wen. All but one of his predictions in the past have been proved to be correct.
www.xhclub.net...
www.xhclub.net...

Without further ado let's get to the stuff. Disclaimer: I do not agree or disagree with these claims, I merely translated things I found interesting. Sorry about any inaccuracy or broken grammar in the translation.




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Flying Saucers



  • US, Russia, China all have in possession of flying saucer technologies. So do most likely European countries, such as UK, Germany, France, etc. Amongst them, the US’s saucer technology is the most advanced and is way ahead of the rest of the world (at least 20 years ahead).
  • China’s own saucer projects are “going good”.
  • Within the century automobile age may become a thing of past, flying saucer age will begin. Although this depends on the world PEM (politics, economics and military) weather. If things don’t work out well the 21st centaury could still be dominated by automobiles.


ETs



  • A small county in China once was contained and its residents were brought in for inspection by the authorities. They were believed to have "extraterrestrial connections".
  • In 2008 the state-run CCTV started showing an absolutely massive 29-episode long documentary about UFOs and aliens; the sheer volume of it is indeed very rare and some thinks it is to prepare the population. But for what?
  • Mankind has always been in contact with ET life.


The Secrets of Tibet



  • Why would the Nazis want to send expeditions to Tibet? Why still to this day the West has such enormous interest in Tibet? After WW2 the British army had seized some marvelous written records and image materials from the Nazi expeditions. These are of ‘spaceship’ like metallic objects in the huge artificial site/hideout inside Tibetan mountains. Not one, not two, but dozens of them were discovered. The Chinese government had retrieved these (allegedly) ancient spacecrafts in the 1960’s with the help of the local residents and eventually started reverse engineering these objects in the 1980’s when the political atmosphere was more stable and the technology advancement allowed doing so.
  • Tibet also has “entrances”. To where? The source didn’t say.
  • Tibet and neighboring regions (e.g. Sichuan, Xi’an) hold many secrets of not only the Chinese civilization, but the whole Human civilization of this generation.
  • These metallic objects are believed to be left by a previous generation of civilization, who came from another dimension and are related to (exactly how is undetermined) the ancestors of dark-haired East Asians.
  • These ancient spacecrafts now reside in the facilities of Chinese Academy of Sciences. In fact these things are too abundant (about 80 of them were found) and become too commonplace that they are hardly a secret in the Academy anymore. A lot of other programs that are much less impressive (to the average Joe) are kept under tighter lips than these amazing antiques.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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The (covered-up or unknown) History of Ancient China



  • A West Zhou record states that, "The Prophecy was fulfilled, the divine dynasty fell, the great flood started, the divine land sank. A ten thousand year [of civilization] degraded into [today's] Zhou, many the ancients were lost, time had elapsed as flying arrows." - This passage actually describes what exactly had happened, not just a poem.
  • After the flood, the Xia state was established. The earliest Xia people enjoyed constant summer. The Xia's upper class consisted of about hundreds of "divine women", and lower class consisted of all men. Every ten or so years the Xia immigrants would ride on "flying vehicles" and expand to other regions. They mated with the local Hua people, and through assimilations their offspring would be called the HuaXia people. Some 2000 years after the great flood, "People from the moon" took those "divine women" back, and so the Xia state came to an end.
  • Under HuaXia people's reign, many colors of people co-existed; there were even two interesting groups of people of several hundreds population lived in the region: "The Big Eyes", "The Beauties" and “The Giants”. The record describes The Big Eyes as: "[Their] body is like a thin child’s; eyes are like a child's fists [in size]". They are very weak physically, will only eat fluidic food such as juice and cereal paste. They are very sensitive and easily scared. They are very good at earth science and they can easily repair the "flying vehicles". The Big Eyes have little physical strength so they build special vehicles for themselves which look like a big bug. This special vehicle has six legs and literally crawls, very fast. From a distance away, a big eye inside the bug vehicle would look like a bug with a erecting head.
  • The Beauties look like a smaller framed version of today's white people, although there are some notable differences. The Beauties' eye color is "deep blue"; their hair color is "that of shining gold". Also their skin is like that of a baby's and you can clearly see blood vessels through their somewhat transparent skin. They look very attractive but have a piquant personality compared to The Big Eyes. Because of the nature habits of these two people, they annoy each other. It is decided The Big Eyes will live south of Yellow river, The Beauties will live north.
  • The Giants are kept as pet by The Beauties. They are a very docile humanoid race with low IQ. The Beauties would play with them and sit on their shoulders.
  • The Beauties and The Big Eyes both warned Earth’s native inhabitants about a certain group or race called “The Annihilators”, who are very malevolent. The annihilators have a form of their own but can also take the form of these two races. There are also some “slaves of the annihilators” and “brutal mutants” among their races. So it is advised not every one of The Beauties or The Big Eyes is good in nature, should we encounter them.
  • “The annihilators”: Tens of thousands years ago all kinds of intelligence beings in the land lived together without wars or even fighting. Later “the annihilators” came to attack the earth, wars had since begun. The annihilators can live without a physical body, and can assume a physical body when needed. They devour souls of “lesser beings”, such as human’s. They cannot devour souls of “beings from divine world” (those who created planets and stars and populated them with lesser beings).
  • A soul individually devoured is called “lesser annihilation”. There is also “greater annihilation”, where a large number of people would die in a short period of time and release their souls to feed “the annihilators”.
  • OS believes there is also “the annihilators” in control of many of today’s governments.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Science



  • Many of the traditional Chinese practices and knowledge that actually proved to work, such as Chinese medicine, meditation techniques, Qi-Gong etc, are being suppressed both domestically and internationally. The global financial cartel is applying incredible pressures through all possible channels to prevent these things from gaining general public recognition.
  • The level of science development the Powers (US, Russia, China, Europe, etc.) are at, is way beyond most people's imagination. The things these governments have are so incomprehensible that once you have seen them, you would agree it is worth giving up your life for just seeing them.
  • For example, there is a piece of device that can literally teleports matters in a given location at a give timestamp to the current time and location. However the material it uses is extremely expensive that acquiring one gram would cost millions. This project is eating a huge chunk of available R&D budget but the Chinese government decided it is well worth it.


Super-Humans



  • The US, Russian, Chinese leaders, and most likely leaders from other countries, have various number of bodyguards who have paranormal abilities.
  • Likewise, those countries all have official-supported secret organizations and militant groups for these “super humans”. It is their common interests, no matter how bad the relationships between countries are, that the knowledge of the true human potential should be kept from the “non-elites”, meaning: the general public.



[edit on 1-9-2009 by nighinfinite]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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The Invisible Wars



  • Wars between US and Russia/China, especially China, have been going on for a while. Not Cold War, not Warm War, but Invisible War. For example the total number of casualties in military conflicts between US and China in the past 10 years (1998 - 2008) reaches 7000, most of the conflicts happened in Afghanistan, Burma, Thailand, and North Korea, etc. The US special forces such as the Delta has fought with the Chinese counterparts in these countries, (yes, including North Korea) both side suffered great casualties.
  • Casualties resulted in the use of unconventional weapons of mass destruction are even higher. OS commented that the Chinese government had been too naive about the US’ stance on using these weapons a few years ago, however some events in recent years served as a wake-up call of what the US is really prepared to do.
  • And that’s just on the military front. The greater war is even more invisible as it takes place in the financial markets; the global crisis is just one consequence of the financial warfare. A certain faction of the Western financial cartels had helped the Chinese government win several crucial battles in the financial markets, which secured the future of the country’s development. In exchange, the Chinese government agreed to allow this faction more powers in the country in the following years. Some posters question if it is the real deal the government made with them.
  • One poster claims that this faction is the Chinese Freemason, a secret society that exisited in the KMT era of China. Even though they are banned in the mainland China, their power has been growing in the overseas. These people are ethnic Chinese but are very established in the western societies and have very close ties with the western financial cartels.
  • All of the factions of the western financial cartels have been using everything in their sleeves from sweets to clubs to try tilting the Chinese government to their way. Because to them China’s strategic importance is the key in their plans.
  • This also causes great internal struggles in China. Since Deng’s reform, the Maoist and other factions began a decline while a new faction backed up by the western financial cartels started gaining power. At the current stage this ruling class still holds much of the country’s power, and in the name of power and profits, they are willing to sell out the country just like bankers in other countries willing to sell out theirs. Even though this faction does not hold a decidedly majority of power, they have several key industries and sectors in their pocket, and they have been trying to gain control of the PLA. If that happens, China would be a fully qualified “ally” and become another tool used by the cartels to advance their global agenda.
  • This is the important point OS wants to raise: Instead of waiting for a particular government speaks against the cartels, people of China and the world should wake up quickly, or we will very well be facing in a not distant future, a “global coalition of the financial cartels”. Once the coalition is formed, a global dictatorship will rise to attempt to erase any and all barriers and protections against the free flow of the financial elites’ power. If this happens, and it has a great chance it will, it would mean the enslavement that is “unprecedented in the entire human history”, because it affects more people than ever, takes away more from people than ever, and hides better from people than ever, and incredibly harder to fight than ever.


Conti. Part 2



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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The Invisible Wars 2



  • The coalition is the single greatest event in the 21st century. However most of the people have no idea about it. A representative of the cartels even told OS in person, with a disdain, that the process is unstoppable and that they are thinking way bigger than even governments. This source and several others who used to be/are still in the system are very pessimistic about the future of the people, while some others are very optimistic. This reflects the complexity in what role China would play in the future. She is now at a crossroads, it could go either way: a new power who can bring something new, or a prolongation of old establishments.
  • This financial crisis is far from over. From now on to 2020 is the deciding period that will shape the future of the world. Anyone who says the crisis is over before 2020 is either lying or ignorant. As the crisis deepens and some powers become more desperate, watch out for plagues, virus, environmental disasters and even wars; try to be more cautious and prepared. We are very, very close to great changes in the coming years, whether it’s violent or non-violent, these changes will affect us greatly.


WMDs



  • Nukes are things of yesterday. A few Powers have thousands times crazier and scarier stuff, and some are capable of "Planetary Total Destruction".
  • OS feels we as human are going to destroy ourselves because of the technology advancement and the evil side we still have.


Space



  • CNSA's lunar missions are very, very practical. There are a lot of secrets on the moon.
  • The CLEP logo has multiple hidden meanings.
  • An ex-military/CNSA source states that the Apollo moon landing is genuine; there is no doubt about it. But the image material released to the general public was faked for certain reasons.
  • The moon is resource rich and also holds the secrets of ancient civilizations.
  • On Gary McKinnon case, OS's gut feeling is that the whole thing about finding secret files in NASA computers is just too fishy.



[edit on 1-9-2009 by nighinfinite]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Liking the info, but i question the reliability.

Still, thanks anyway.

Jacob



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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Well this does sound like China, sepecially the "super-humans" part, "that the knowledge of the true human potential should be kept from the “non-elites”, meaning: the general public". Yeah they think this way.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Thanks for the post. It all seems plausible to me. Just goes to show how little power /knowledge the little guy has.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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Thanks!

Star and Flag.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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Kinda lost me with the super human/paranormal part. But other than that, a superb thread.




posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Very cool thread. Especially in its similarities and differences to western CTs.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Very Nice Post Here. Alot of The Info Seems Quite Realistic And Probably Is Happening. I Like Teh Bit About The Chinese County Been Under Investigation.

Could You Tell me More About The 29 Episodes Of CCTV (i think thats what it was) That U Mentioned, Sounds Intriguing =]

MrWebby666
=]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Wow!!! That was certainly an eye opening read. Great post

S+F



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Do you have any proof that backs up your claims? For this reason, all of your claims are just fiction. I am reporting this guy.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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reply to post by nighinfinite
 


S & F


A very relevant thread. Thanks OP for this. We tend to forget at times that there can be Sh*t happening all over the world


The Asian region seems to be a hot spot for innumerable developments - of all kinds including the Elitist movement.

We need to somehow group the like-minded anti-fascist groups of people sooner or later to save this beautiful planet & millions & billions of beautiful and warm hearted people. We forget at times that its in our hands to make this world a beautiful place when just a handful are making a mockery of our existence & made everything so screwed up.

Time to wake up & wake everyone up !

Cheers



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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Thanks. Really great thread.

"We are very, very close to great changes in the coming years, whether it’s violent or non-violent, these changes will affect us greatly."

Would you have any insight into what the writer or other Chinese "conspiracy" theorists believe are "the great changes in the coming years?" Is this like a 2012 reference?

Thanks. Really enjoyed it.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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Cool thread. S&F.
To the guy "reporting" the OP: Did you read the opening post?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by fordrew
Do you have any proof that backs up your claims? For this reason, all of your claims are just fiction. I am reporting this guy.
Agreed. Not a spec of proof or a single source given. Threads like this, while fascinating, are only detrimental to our cause of presenting facts.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Nice factoids. Please provide proof. Sources. Maybe even fabricate some realistic reason to believe you. As of now, there is no reason to take any of this serious. It would be neat if all of it were true, but right now it just seems like science-fiction. Nice read, though. I enjoyed it.

[EDIT]
Ashamedly, I did not read the first post (as you said if you are impatient skip to second post). Sorry for my mistake. I see that you stated you do not agree nor disagree, but that you are only providing the theories that are floating around in China. In this case, FANTASTIC post. S&F for providing us with alternative-alternative topics.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by OrphenFire]




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