Is Phillip Garrido a Serial Killer?

We need to fix our broken criminal justice system. Clearly this situation screams that our justice system is completely inept at protecting the public.

This guy wasn't well hidden, or off the map.

Considering the crime he was convicted for, he should never have been released. This problem has to be fixed.

Being that he was released early after such a horrendous crime, he should have been watched.

We need to change the priorities of our law enforcement, and this case is a prime example of just that.

If our current law enforcement agencies can't keep track of a guy like this, then the whole system needs to be changed.

reply to post by poet1b



144 of them (sex offenders) in that one neighbourhood alone

Does law enforcement have the resources to devote to 144 (including Garrido) in just one neighbourhood in one run down suburb ?

How many sex offenders are registered across the US .. does anyone know ? If the Garrido neighbourhood is any indication, it would literally take an army of investigators, parole officers and law-enforcement just to keep tabs on the seeming army of sexual offenders, apart from all the other crime occurring continually

It's a bad state of affairs, but one people mostly forget about until something like the Garrido case hits the news



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reply to post by St Vaast


And how many of them were convicted of rape and kidnapping. Chances are very high that he was the only one with his record, and the only one with an early parole situation.

Here is one problem, our sex offender registry includes ever minor offense, and so everywhere, there are large numbers of people on the list. They have destroyed the system by putting people in it who have done something as minor as mooning someone as a college prank.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by St Vaast

 

And how many of them were convicted of rape and kidnapping. Chances are very high that he was the only one with his record, and the only one with an early parole situation.

Here is one problem, our sex offender registry includes ever minor offense, and so everywhere, there are large numbers of people on the list. They have destroyed the system by putting people in it who have done something as minor as mooning someone as a college prank.

I have no idea. Just copied this from the Mail article in Page 2:

Drug and alcohol addiction are widespread; back yards are littered with cars and fridges.[ Astonishingly, the area is home to 144 rapists and paedophiles

Rape and paedophilia would be regarded as serious crime. With so many dangerous criminals in that one location (which for all we know could be repeated throughout the US) the authorities would be stretched and would probably burn out fast. Replacements might find themselves inundated with fresher crimes and might not even get around to brushing up their knowledge of older ones, like Garrido. The authorities would surely be aware of the extent of the problem and just cross their fingers every day that people like Garrido won't be propelled into the limelight and make the authorities look bad

reply to post by St Vaast


If there are that many rapists out there, how many are getting released early to make room for non-violent drug offenders?

They should concentrate on the serious criminals, instead of working to increase their numbers of arrests, for one thing.

The sexual predator fear factor has gotten to the point it is practically like a witch hunt, and it takes very little evidence to get someone convicted, which allows the real monsters to disappear in the system.

You can be a sex offender even if the victim did not say no, or fight back.

So where is the line drawn?

What happens between two people in private is your word against their word, and that is what decides most of these cases. Guess who loses almost all of the time. Once again, there are a lot of horror stories out there. Someone makes an accusation, it is your word against their word, and they offer a deal where you get off easy for copping a plea, or risk a lengthy sentence at hard time. Of course you will be in jail if you can't make bail until your trial is completed. Bail is very expensive, and a very profitable money making system. Most people go for the quick way out. This has thrown the system way out of whack.

These non-violent, date rapes, your word their word situations need to be handled differently. Someone makes an accusation, the accused gets thrown in jail, their life put on hold, most likely they are suddenly facing financial ruin, and of course their reputations are ruined. If you do win the case, even when your innocence is proven, there are no systems in place to repair the damage. Also, even when it becomes evident that the accuser is lying, nothing is ever done, or extremely rarely.

My advice is never allow yourself to be in a situation with someone who might make such an accusation for spite, could make such a credible accusation, and those people are out there.

Of course every conviction brings in money to the system, so it is in the best interest of the system to convict those accused, no matter how nonexistent any real evidence. It is a fabulous little system for destroying peoples lives.

What Garrido did was way above what is normally classified as a sexual offender. Garrido's offense was far more serious, he is a sexual predator. That is why he got 50 years in prison.

Do you see the difference?

I think there is a problem in this area because there are any number of pedophile rings that end up involving influential officials, and whether it is because of participation or blackmail, judges and others that should be prosecuting do not. I'm thinking of the Franklin Coverup, and I'm sure there are many more. These enterprises stretch tentacles far into our society. Either that or judges and parole boards have extreme sympathy for sex offenders, possibly don't see it as a real crime.

how anybody can believe that a drug offense is more criminal than rape or molestation is beyond me. I'm not talking about questionable cases, but these ones where an offender has raped or molested the same child or children for years, or such as garrido. no question that this individual is a menace and literally destroys lives from the inside out.

i think the biggest problem that prevents enforcement is organized pedophilia that makes it difficult if not impossible to prosecute the "amateurs". if they are amateurs.

reply to post by poet1b



I'm not arguing with you and haven't been from the start

All I've done is post information I've accessed online

It's been suggested that Garrido was released early on account of his marriage

It's also been suggested that whilst his wife might have been naive, Garrido saw her and marriage to her as a way to manipulate the system and 'prove' to the parole board that he was reformed and/or that the parole board might consider him no longer a great threat because 'now he has a wife' (which makes the parole board sound worse than naive and as if they believed all he needed to keep him on the straight and narrow was a steady sexual partner)

I don't know why you're responding to my posts so aggressively. Seems you are angry about the Garrido case and imagine anyone who isn't ranting about castration and bullets in the brain is somehow attempting to excuse Garrido and the authorities

reply to post by earlywatcher




Good post

I agree with much of what you have said

and will add that it almost appears quite often, that the authorities determine to give the public the big finger

when they release paedophiles and other serious sexual offenders years short of their sentence

AND often relocate them in close proximity to schools, child-care facilities, etc.

reply to post by poet1b



I should have included in my last reply to you that in posting information gained from Mail Online, etc. I have been addressing the thread title, which is 'Is Phillip Garrido a Serial Killer '. You'll see that most of my posts have related to that thread title query

reply to post by St Vaast


Yes, I did notice that, and if I come off as aggressively argumentative, I am sorry. Yes, I am a bit emotional about the subject, hard not to be. My goal is to why and how these factors are misleading.

I wanted to point out that these date rape cases are also one big problem, because all is needed is an accusation, and somebodies life can be ruined, and from the stories I have heard, a great many are getting coerced into taking plea bargains. I have heard of many situations where the guy maintains his innocence, but winds up taking the deal. I have heard a couple of stories from people who have known someone, that are really sad stories.


There are a great many women willing to lie in court, ask anyone who has been through a custody hearing, because our current system is so willing to go along with those lies, because their budgets and jobs are rewarded for going along with those lies. It is the same pattern in these family courts.

Lying is rewarded, and very rarely punished when it benefits the courts, so people are willing to do it. This hurts everyone, because it allows real criminals to hide in an over bloated system.

Then you have this situation where it looks like they let the guy out to wreck havoc on the world.

By the way, he was married when he committed the kidnapping hostage rape for which he should have served 50 years. The way his first wife describes the situation, she was little more than his sexual slave. How did the parole board overlook this?

I doubt they asked his first wife about anything at all.

Originally posted by St Vaast
reply to post by poet1b

 

I'm not arguing with you and haven't been from the start

All I've done is post information I've accessed online

It's been suggested that Garrido was released early on account of his marriage

It's also been suggested that whilst his wife might have been naive, Garrido saw her and marriage to her as a way to manipulate the system and 'prove' to the parole board that he was reformed and/or that the parole board might consider him no longer a great threat because 'now he has a wife' (which makes the parole board sound worse than naive and as if they believed all he needed to keep him on the straight and narrow was a steady sexual partner)

I don't know why you're responding to my posts so aggressively. Seems you are angry about the Garrido case and imagine anyone who isn't ranting about castration and bullets in the brain is somehow attempting to excuse Garrido and the authorities

The pathetic thing about that is the parole board didn't seem to consider that he had a wife when he committed the abduction/rape in the first place. Being married sure didn't keep it from happening then.

I popped back to the Mail Online coverage earlier today. Interestingly, in the Comments section, some Americans are stating that for information about this case, they too are referring to Mail Online because, in their opinion, US media is releasing far less information

In today's article, the casino-worker who was kidnapped, raped and held in a 'sex lair' by Garrido when he was 25, said he'd stalked her at her workplace after he was released on parole. She claims she had to flee and hide and had been under the impression he would remain in jail for considerable time after being jailed over his assaults on her. That woman had an almost miraculous escape, btw

In the same article, investigators have uncovered Garrido's testimony when he was jailed around that period. He confessed that even as a teenager, he used to hang outside primary schools to 'leer' and 'sexually fantasise' about sex with children.

Garrido's father is quoted as saying his son's problem is 'sex addiction', exacerbated by '___' and the motorcycle accident

Police have uncovered a tooth and very small fragment of bone from either Garrido's property or adjacent properties

And it's claimed that Jaycee has told her daughters that Garrido is in jail, also that she was a kidnap victim. The girls are said to be very distressed about the fact Garrido was arrested

The article says that Garrido's wife is now being investigated as to her role. She was alone with Jaycee and Garrido's mother for five months (I think) when he was jailed for parole violation when Jaycee was approx. 13 years of age and probably pregnant.

I hadn't known this earlier, but today's Mail Online article claims Garrido used to phone Jaycee's mother every year on Jaycee's birthday. The article didn't explain why he did so .. whether to gloat ... ? don't know

Article says also that it was Garrido who informed Jaycee's mother about this latest series of events (?) and that Garrido was PRESENT (approx. one week ago?) when Jaycee returned to her mother for the first time after being kidnapped as a child


Police and investigators have said (according to Mail Online) that Garrido claimed he'd 'found God' in order to obtain his early release, three years before kidnapping Jaycee

Police at no time ever investigated Garrido in relation to Jaycee's kidnap. No reason offered. Police said they investigated hundreds of others and devoted thousands of hours to Jaycee's disappearance ... but Garrido was never part of their investigations. Staggering disclosure


As an aside: one of the people who contributed to the Comments section said he/she lives some distance from Garrido in what was described 'very nice' area. The commenter claims was walking along the street with his/her two children, who briefly got ahead of their parent and momentarily vanished around a corner.

The parent rushed to them, only to discover a man 'trying to pull the old lost-puppy trick' already had hold of one of the children's arms. He ran upon seeing the parent.

There have always been paedophiles. Imo, based on research that's been released, they cannot be rehabilitated and of all sexual offenders, paedophiles remain active into very advanced old age.

The authorities, plus a literal army of online-posts-for-sale are attempting to deny this is the case and make outrageous claims such as ' only 2% of offenders ever reoffend'.

Authorities need to make their position clear .. or they should be stripped of their authority, imo.

Right now, they are releasing dangerous paedophiles and others convicted of serious sexual offences, back into communities

The authorities have claimed that tracking devices and regular visits by parole officers will protect the public and their children

Yet paedophiles have shown how useless are the tracking devices. And parole officers are merely public servants, some of who might attempt to do a good job in what is literally a sewer filled with deviants. Whilst other parole officers, as we've seen in teh Garrido case, aren't worth even a tenth of their pay.

I do believe that certain amongst 'the authorities' (including in many cases, judges and members of parole boards) are deviants themselves and are also working to an agenda by flooding communities with creatures who .. let's face it .. have damn little to contribute to society and will always remain a danger.

I'm all in favour of giving these creatures the needle and ridding society of them. Whenever this option is suggested, people come out of the woodwork screeching in defence of paedophiles and other sexual offenders.

Society is going to have to make some difficult choices very soon, but few have the spine for it in reality, as opposed to posting anonymously in fora



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reply to post by St Vaast


I think it was the stepfather who called the mother and told her Jaycee was found. I'm not going to go look through links for it, but I believe that's what happened. I'm busy with other stuff and just taking a momentary break.

Originally posted by Tentickles
reply to post by poet1b

 

This is the reason why we should have an immediate firing squad for pedophiles and violent rapists when they are convicted.

I completely disagree. A firing squad is too humane.
Pedophiles and violent rapists need castration, then a bullet in the stomach,, then be hung by the neck until dead.


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reply to post by TheLoony

An FBI agent who spent 18 years on Dugard's kidnapping case says the Garridos never were considered suspects.

Special Agent Chris Campion said the bureau exhausted thousands of leads about Dugard's whereabouts, sometimes with the help of confidential informants and court-ordered wiretaps.

Yet Campion said in the interview posted on the FBI Web site Friday that Phillip and Nancy Garrido 'just did not come up on the radar screen'.
'We've gone through and checked our records and my memory is no, we didn't have any thing that remotely was close to these people,' Campion said. 'We can tell you several thousands of people that didn't kidnap Jaycee Lee Dugard.'



The secrets of the Garrido home began to surface early last week when Garrido arrived for a meeting with his parole officer with his wife, Dugard, now 29, and the two girls.

Over the years, Campion said he made a point of calling Dugard's mother every year on Dugard's birthday. He was the one who called to give her the news that her daughter was alive and he was present last week when they were reunited.

'It was a very emotional scene - both of them were just overjoyed to be with each other again,' he said. 'There's going to be a period of adjustment, no doubt, but they're doing very well at this point

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Upon re-reading it, it becomes clear now that it was Special Agent 'Campion' who in fact contacted Jaycee's mother each year and informed her just recently that Jaycee was alive and well and who was present at the reunion, etc.

Much better all 'round

reply to post by poet1b


Er, I just saw this thread, and need to catch up on opinions, but here's what I think.......... The PTB largely across the World are a bunch of ingrates.

They are pedophiles, rapists, and love blood sacrifices. I would bet money that the ole' boy in the OP is involved in the underground white/black/mexican slave trade.

Ya'lls minds can wonder from there, but this is a very lucrative huge business, and it really takes "special" people not to care at all, I say again care at all about other People in the slightest manner............ Just meat to be bought, and sold.

It goes on daily across the globe, and especially the USA, and her "special Friends"..countries.

Just my two pesos... be back in a bit.

S&F

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by St Vaast

 

Yes, I did notice that, and if I come off as aggressively argumentative, I am sorry. Yes, I am a bit emotional about the subject, hard not to be. My goal is to why and how these factors are misleading.

I understand. No apology necessary, but thank you very much. Takes a big person to apologise online

Yes, it's a hugely emotive issue and I agree with much of what you say.

And yes, the jail system is bloated. I'm not a user, but perhaps if they decriminalised pot or marijuana, it might free up some space and court-time, procedures generally, etc. and permit law enforcement to concentrate on what most of us would consider 'real' crime.

This will sound 'old fashioned' to many I realise, but is it worth considering a return to 'hard labour', rather than keeping sexually active and sexually and otherwise frustrated males (for they form the bulk of prison populations) locked up day in and day out ?

Imposing prison-time on those who haven't or can't pay speeding and other fines .. is it necessary? Whom does it serve? How many lives does it destroy via prison rapes and subsequent diseases ?

Madoff's in jail. Ok, not the best example, I realise, but white-collar criminals .. who is served by their incarceration ? Why not instead confine him to house-arrest, confiscate his passports, credit cards and other money sources, prevent him from working in that industry and employ forensic accountants to trace and find as much of the money as possible, which could then be used to compensate the victims ? Do we really need to jail and feed his carcass ? Why not instead locate him in spartan public housing and make him accountable for ever fart he emits, instead?

Driving offences .. confiscate their driving licence and fit them with a tracking device. Subsequent crimes could result in x-time hard-labour and life-confiscation of any vehicle licence. Why are we jamming up jails with them, unless their driving offences resulted in damage or injury to another person? Make them do hard labour, with the monetary rewards to be forwarded automatically to the victims. Not much, but better than at present

Juvenile crimes to become the crimes of the parents. Material damage caused by juveniles to be paid by the parents. Parents to be made responsible for holding their offspring to court-sentenced curfew. Repeat and serious offenders .. hard-labour followed by mandatory military service under specially-trained and no-nonsense officers.

We the public are paying for all this. Paying a lot. Yet we're not stupid and know that the worst of the criminals are out there free. And we know that law-enforcement and the legal community are equally aware of it.

Criminals who cause financial and material loss to victims could be employed, hard-labour style. Their release would be determined by the length of time it takes them to repay their victims. Nothing like years of ten hour days building roads and clearing swamps to make a criminal realise that crime does not pay .. it costs .. costs them, in time, years, sweat.

Paedophiles in particular and repeat sexual-offenders or even first-time offenders (determined by the nature of their crime/s) have relinquished their rights to walk the earth in freedom, imo.

There's no requirement for society to regress into savagery. A cure could be effected humanely, by surgically modifying their brains, after which they would yes, become drones, but drones freed from their perversions and able to undertake simple tasks for the remainder of their lives.

The phony wars for profit (war on terra, war on drugs, etc.) are obscuring society's real ills, which is the war being conducted by criminals.

At the moment, society is losing and paying. And judges, members of parole boards, criminals within law-enforcement AND lawyers are 'winning' via bribes, plea-bargains, miraculous 'clean-up' of outstanding cases, etc.

Law, crime and the prison system are industries. They're not doing much to eradicate crime at all, but they're getting rich from it. The media gets rich from it. Politicians are voted-in for promising to 'fix' it, yet they don't.

We're being played for fools. We need to start laying down the law to the lawmakers, imo



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reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Yes, Sancho .. you've hit some nails squarely

It's going to take a while to sort the wheat from the BS re: this case, don't you think ?

For instance, the UK media is disclosing a ton more than the US media. Why ? There could be a perfectly good reason, such as the fact the US has 300 million population and numerous crimes of this nature, as compared with the UK.

Or .. it could be that the US media likes to keep the US population uninformed

Did you read the Mail Online links I posted on Page 2 ? They claim a neighbour alleges that Garrido held 'noisy, drunken parties' consisting of 'Mexican looking' males, who would go into the covered rear yard. The neighbour is alleged to have said that he suspected 'some sex stuff' was going on in the rear yards.

Initially, readers' minds would have recoiled in the belief the victims of these gatherings were Jaycee and her daughters.

Yet Mail Online has revealed that Jaycee worked quite openly in Garrido's printing business. She came and left at will, from the sound of it. She had access to computers, to phones .. which suggests she and her daughters had access to tv and other media

The Mail Online has published a photo of Jaycee's daughters attending a birthday party only a couple of weeks ago (photo shown in Mail Online). A witness at the party is alleged to have claimed that the girls sought the invitation. That they were dropped off by Garrido himself. That they remained at the party unsupervised.

Then, according to the Mail Online, a woman witness only two years ago, 'young children aged around 4' in the company of older children and 'women' in Garrido's rear yard. All were described as 'blonde'.

The young children could not have been the two daughters (of Jaycee's) currently in the news. So .. were they other children of Jaycee ? Or of her eldest daughter ? Or no family connection to Jaycee at all ?

Where are those little children now ? What happened to them ?

It's beginning to look to me as if Jaycee and her daughters did NOT live in the rear-yard compounds .. but instead lived with the Garridos in the house proper.

And it's seeming as if they may have been aware that there were captive women, girls and children in those rear yards.

If raised in such an environment, this would have seemed 'normal' to Jaycee and her daughters .. as 'Dad's business'. They would have been programmed to accept it as something apart from themselves.

Investigators are alleged to now suspect Garrido of killing a number of girls and women since (and very possibly) before Jaycee's kidnap.

Investigators are turning up evidence not only in Garrido's yard but also adjacent yards, in one of which he'd built a 'lair' similar to the one into which he dragged the casino-worker prior to his stint in jail.

He admitted to investigators when aged 25, that kidnap and rape in a 'bunker' type location complete with sex-toys, video equipment, etc., was ' the only way I can achieve sexual satisfaction'.

As you say, it's entirely possible Garrido has been kidnapping and supplying or at least pimping victims for decades

The media is now claiming that Garrido and his wife are on 'suicide watch'.

I suspect the US public is being 'primed' to accept the 'suicides' or possibly 'murders' of Garrido and his wife

There are probably many influential perverts out there who're having nightmares about what Garrido, his wife, Jaycee and her children will reveal.

As with Fritzl, the victims have been 'taken into an undisclosed location' for their own good and as protection from public scrutiny, 'during this traumatic period in their lives'.

Elizabeth Fritzl and her children undoubtedly were a danger to certain powerful perverts. Witnesses claimed (during the few times they escaped the whore-media's censoring) that they saw 'men' accompany Fritzl down into the bunker.

Considerable time has elapsed since Elizabeth Fritzl was released. Time enough for the 'experts' and 'good doctors' to remove genuine memory and replace them with false ones.

Will it be the same with Jaycee and her daughters ?

Strikingly similar set of circumstances between the Fritzl and Garrido cases also, insofar as after being held captive for years, their captors suddenly dropped the ball and basically released them.

Maybe Garrido was considered too loose a cannon to be trusted any more? After which new kidnappers and suppliers/pimps were established, making Garrido (and Fritzl) and their victims redundant, defused, de-activated and simply mind-scrambled media-fodder ?

One things for sure .. we'll never learn even half the truth

reply to post by St Vaast

There are probably many influential perverts out there who're having nightmares about what Garrido, his wife, Jaycee and her children will reveal.

I bet We both would be surprised at the high level nature of what You mentioned. The judges, congressman, etc. they all are freaks.