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Is Phillip Garrido a Serial Killer?

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posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:46 AM
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Years ago, when we believed and trusted, we would have been suprised, eh?

No longer

Same with so many of us

It's why we spend time in forums like this when years ago, we would have been out in the sunshine, or studying to improve our opportunities, life generally. Back then we believed 'God is in his Heaven and All is Well '

No way back though, sadly

Not now we know and suspect and feel our hands and mouths bound

In truth, it's always been the same. Villagers used to whisper about the pretty young girls who went up to the big houses to work or sell their wares .. never to be seen again

Or the 'guardians'. Remember them? The stories about all those 'guardians' of the young, of orphans. Outwardly, they were nobility, the gentry, judges, school-teachers, lawyers, 'respectable businessemen'.

Noticed how the media 'phased out' the Jersey Orphanage case ? Online, it's active with accusations of a 'cover up'

There are living witnesses to what went on. Police cadavar dogs were brought in. People KNOW what went on, as it always does where sexually deviant adults are placed in sole control of defenceless children
www.intmensorg.info...

dutroux.blogspot.com...


The drawings emerged as a secret police report revealed kids at the home were raped, murdered and burned in an incinerator.


Remains were scattered on the floor of a cellar punishment room, but 65 teeth and 100 charred bone fragments were found. Police believe the abuse went on for decades until the 1980s

www.thesun.co.uk...

In Australian tv-news last night it was revealed that sexual abuse, paedophilia, hypnotism of child victims, etc. had been going on at a prestigious school since at least the 60s.

At the centre of the controversy it's alleged a paeophile priest and teachers were free to operate while those in authority and in the know, turned a convenient blind-eye.

Are we to believe that high-profile visitors weren't invited to participate and to grant 'protection' to the perpetrators ?

Children hypnotised by paedophiles ? Just popped up out of the blue, did it, in Australia in the 60s ? No connection whatsoever with similar paedophile organisations world-wide ?

And before, during and after the 60s, the same and worse was going on in schools, boarding-schools, 'child refuges', 'boys towns', 'girls towns', etc. all over Australia, all over the world.

Never short of 'clients', these pimp-paedophiles.

Never short of victims, either. Being raped, beaten and murdered by those 'worthies' who collect awards and honours for 'their work on behalf of underprivileged kids'

No, it would take a lot to surprise us these days

But .. they own and control the media. They have it sewn up.

They own and control the legal system

They always have





[edit on 2-9-2009 by St Vaast]




posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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many excellent points here! I agree that probably many local influential people were aware of and probably participated in activities on the property, which is why it was never properly "searched" and garrido was never considered a suspect. this kind of thing is all too commonplace. doubt if it's just in US. probably everywhere. if you do a little searching into the history in your local community you will find various institutions that have been used by officials to abuse the children housed there. these things get no coverage, even when they are exposed. I wonder if any of these institutions are free of such activities. there is no way to know. then when you get to activities like garrido's, it's so much worse.

i can understand you jaycee can have had access to "freedom" but never took advantage. It appears to be a relatively easy to thing to create an internal/psychological prison for a person, particularly a woman, particularly one with children.

i doubt if we will ever get the full story here. i wonder what the excuse will be.

thanks to all of you bring this news to us from other sources.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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When you hear about these cases for the first time in your life, your reaction is disbelief, horror, disbelief. The ground opens beneath you. You suspect there are things about which you've known nothing. You feel scared, violated, betrayed

Then 'the police' 'solve the case'. Via the media, you see the monsters led away in chains. You're informed they 'will remain behind bars for the rest of their days'.

Then comes the wrap-up, again via the media: The little town of AverageVille has breathed a sigh of relief, knowing Dirty Bastard Smith is at last behind bars, never to be released. Police and investigators were today praised by the Pope, the Governor, the Prime Minister, the Chief of Police for apprehending the fiend swiftly after many gruelling hours devoted to catching him. Police worked around the clock, ' All leave was cancelled until we caught this monster' said Police Chief Henry today, 'We did not rest. AverageVille is our home. The people of AverageVille are like family to us '.

The people of Averageville are now asking how and why the monster was able to prey on the town's children and escape detection for so long. ' We must become more vigilante,' said the town Mayor today, 'We must ensure nothing like this ever happens in AverageVille again '


' Whew ! Wow .. they caught him. That's great', you say to yourself.

At that point, you believe these things happen only once a century .. an aberration. But they're caught now. It's over, you tell yourself. The police got him and he's locked away. Life can go on as normal .. nicely, cleanly, safely

Then, you hear about another case. Then another. Then they disappear from the limelight after the media claims they've been put away.

And still, you're trying to tell yourself that these cases are freaks of nature .. they only happen very occasionally. People aren't like that. Just a few freaks are like that .. mad people.

Then you hear more. And then you read an article by chance, or maybe a book, and the author's telling you that this sort of thing is organised. Organised ! And that the real culprits are at the top. At the top !

Your heart sinks. You don't want to believe it. It's too horrible. What about God .. he wouldn't let it happen. He'd stop them. Don't these monsters know or care that they'll go to hell ?

Finally (time varies) it dawns on you. This *IS* hell. It's the only possible explanation .. especially when you learn that a lot of the monsters are clergy, rabbis, gurus. Obviously they know this God/Heaven/Hell/Sin stuff is just seed tossed out to the chickens in their congregations. Obviously they don't care about, or fear any of it, themselves

So why do we care ? Why don't we turn into monsters ?

Up to the individual to work it out. I think I've worked it out .. still fine tuning it. No wish to push it on anyone else

No doubt about it though, the world changes for ever for you when you learn the extent of the sheer cruelty to which so many people (and children) are subjected by these bastards. Then the victims are murdered. Are burned. Are tossed to the aligators or down wells or weighted and thrown in the ocean .. or are simply left to rot where they lie. Tossed aside like a wad of used tissues, these little children who died with terror and pain in their eyes.

Then the monsters pour themselves a beer and invite their friends around to watch the video of the act. They eat pizza. Sometimes their women are draped across them. They get sexually excited and plan the next. Then, they might drop into the Seven Eleven on the way home, to pick up some smokes and milk for the following morning's coffee. You might bump into them. They might apologise and smile at you. They might even help you fix your tyre puncture. They mow their lawns and wave to neighbours, as Garrido obviously did. They run businesses. You eat at their homes. You work for them. You marry them. You have children with them.

They're not a 'once in a lifetime' horror movie. They are right here, next to us. They are part of this world and always have been. A lot of them rise to positions of extraordinary power and respect. They make the laws. Others of them administer the law. They make movies. They collect awards. They are rich. They could buy and sell you. They have the power to silence you, permanently.

And yet still doctors and scientists claim to be 'researching' what they claim to be 'an epidemic of depression'



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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So why do we care ? Why don't we turn into monsters ? Up to the individual to work it out. I think I've worked it out .. still fine tuning it. No wish to push it on anyone else


Your correct, I do believe this World as We know it know is of a corrupt, and evil nature. I do believe right now the energy on the planet rewards the Evil as You pointed out. However, I truly believe the turning point is just a.. I do believe 2012 does represent a new beginning.

At that point People like this Garrido will be taken care of, and the People who used him to bring their agenda to fruition.

It's at this coming point where Your above statements to me hold water..

I don't care about THEM. I can only hope many will join together, and scare the real monsters like they couldn't have ever imagined.

There is a higher Cosmic Karma coming this way.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 05:54 AM
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However, I truly believe the turning point is just a.. I do believe 2012 does represent a new beginning.



Hope you're right. It can't come soon enough. If it feels this bad for those of us forced to witness these things, imagine how bad it feels for those who're victims of it ?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Hmm, on google news today there were two stories on this situation. I hope more people pay attention to this story, because it is a story of a massive failure of our justice system.

Here is an article I found trying to search for how many of the kidnapping multiple rapists are out there that have been paroled, that I thought addressed the real issue here. This one statement says it all, IMO.

news.yahoo.com...


Probyn said he was frustrated to find out that a car matching the description of the one he saw speeding Dugard away in the day she was kidnapped was found in the yard of Garrido's home. Nancy Garrido also fits the "dead-on" description he gave of the woman who pulled her into the car, he said.

"He had every break in the world," Probyn said of Garrido's close encounters with the law.


YEAH, he sure did get every break, and then some in my opinion.

Here is an article that sort of addresses the issue of how Garrido got paroled, but gives no real information.

www.cbsnews.com...

I am tempted to do some research of my own.

The parole board that released this psycho needs to not only do some soul searching, but also explain to the public why this guy was released.

How is it that a guy paroled but a few years earlier for kidnapping and raping a woman several times in the very same community, that Jaycee was kidnapped from, was never looked at as a suspect.

How many kidnapping rapists are out there on parole?

Especially out there on early parole after having only served 20% of their prison sentence.

It seems to me that our justice system is too caught up with arresting and convicting people to take care of their primary job, which is protecting the public. This is why our jails are over filled and we have the largest prison population on the planet.

It is all about the numbers, while the real job is being ignored.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Hmm, on google news today there were two stories on this situation. I hope more people pay attention to this story, because it is a story of a massive failure of our justice system.

Here is an article I found trying to search for how many of the kidnapping multiple rapists are out there that have been paroled, that I thought addressed the real issue here. This one statement says it all, IMO.

news.yahoo.com...


Probyn said he was frustrated to find out that a car matching the description of the one he saw speeding Dugard away in the day she was kidnapped was found in the yard of Garrido's home. Nancy Garrido also fits the "dead-on" description he gave of the woman who pulled her into the car, he said.

"He had every break in the world," Probyn said of Garrido's close encounters with the law.


YEAH, he sure did get every break, and then some in my opinion.

Here is an article that sort of addresses the issue of how Garrido got paroled, but gives no real information.

www.cbsnews.com...

I am tempted to do some research of my own.

The parole board that released this psycho needs to not only do some soul searching, but also explain to the public why this guy was released.

How is it that a guy paroled but a few years earlier for kidnapping and raping a woman several times in the very same community, that Jaycee was kidnapped from, was never looked at as a suspect.

How many kidnapping rapists are out there on parole?

Especially out there on early parole after having only served 20% of their prison sentence.

It seems to me that our justice system is too caught up with arresting and convicting people to take care of their primary job, which is protecting the public. This is why our jails are over filled and we have the largest prison population on the planet.

It is all about the numbers, while the real job is being ignored.


That is a very good point. It seems that the cops mostly focused on the stepfather as the guilty party back then without checking into things. How many Ford Granadas were registered in CA back in 1991? Could it have been that difficult to check that out?

The cops do not do the job that the public thinks they do. The cops do not have to enforce restraining orders or protect anyone. They are there to clean up dead bodies after the fact, but only if the crime scene comes to their attention. They do not want to actually investigate things.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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Yeah, it is just the opposite of the TV shows. This has been what I have seen in any of these cases. Lots of innocent people get convicted, and lots of evidence gets ignored. The only purpose of the systems seems to be to perpetuate itself.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Apparently Jacee Dugard was working actively in Garrido's business.

www.mercurynews.com...


Customers say Dugard was the talented graphic designer at Phillip Garrido's printing business, and that he referred to her as his daughter. Dugard went by "Allissa" when she first arrived last week with the Garridos at a Concord parole office, before police unearthed her real identity.


Hmm, and yet she lived in the backyard? Garrido's wife considered her to be a part of the family. You would think she would have mainly lived in the house.

Or was the encampment for other abductees?

Something is clearly not adding up in this story, and the press doesn't seem to want to explore it further.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

Apparently Jacee Dugard was working actively in Garrido's business.

www.mercurynews.com...


Customers say Dugard was the talented graphic designer at Phillip Garrido's printing business, and that he referred to her as his daughter. Dugard went by "Allissa" when she first arrived last week with the Garridos at a Concord parole office, before police unearthed her real identity.


Hmm, and yet she lived in the backyard? Garrido's wife considered her to be a part of the family. You would think she would have mainly lived in the house.

Or was the encampment for other abductees?

Something is clearly not adding up in this story, and the press doesn't seem to want to explore it further.



I've been wondering about the same thing. Something is definitely missing in these stories.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Yeah, especially in consideration of the related story I found about the numerous girls disappearing in a neighboring community, which I posted earlier.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

journalism.berkeley.edu...


Norrell disappeared from a party at a dance hall in the East Bay town of Antioch. Eight days later, her asphyxiated body, hands bunched into fists, was found face down in the yard of a landscaping firm in Pittsburg, her hometown.

It was the first of four murders of young women occurring over the span of two months in Pittsburg last year, and devastated Lisa's largely working-class community.

Today, nearly 12 months after her death, police still have no suspects charged with the crime, and painfully few tips -- unlike other high profile murders of women in San Francisco and Yosemite National Park which resulted in arrests in the same period.


The thing to point out is that they are talking about Pittsburg, California, which is very close to where Garrido lived.

The ugly things is that Garrido planned in advance to kidnap that woman for which he was convicted, who he then raped over and over again with his collection of toys.

That is bone chilling ugly. This guy was a total predator, how could they have let him out?

In 1976, chances are extremely high that his mother still had her marbles together, and that he wouldn't have been able to take this woman home and imprison her, so what was he planning on doing with this woman when he could no longer keep her?

He planned out the kidnapping and sexual rape, setting up a lair for the purpose, chances are that he had planned on killing this woman for whom he was convicted.

How many young girls did this guy wind up kidnapping and keeping in his backyard prison camp? Only to murder, cause they weren't taking to the reprogramming.

Why isn't the press asking this question. It seems pretty obvious that someone should be asking this question.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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He took the children and gave them to his wife Nancy.

He kept Dugard in the backyard compound until he was sure that she had submitted enough. She had become his wife.

Once he was sure she was totally committed to him, THEN he let her out and started integrating her into his life in the house.

Then she was safe to him.


Ex

posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Wanna really get frightened??
In the center of this link put your address
where it says " Find Offenders"




www.familywatchdog.us...

Once you get the map, click on the red pixel
you will get a picture and offence.............

[edit on 9/3/2009 by Ex]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Yeah, and how many victims refuse to submit, and were therefore killed?

How many were used as prostitutes?

KNOWING about the four girls killed in nearby Pittsberg, CA, why didn't the local cop look into Garrido's background when it was reported that a sex offender had children living in his backyard. As a cop, he should have known about this.

I don't see how this report could have been ignored in this manner. This displays a level of incompetency beyond all belief in my opinion.

The guy reports he is a registered sex offender, the first thing that should have been done is to see if this is true, by checking his record.

Then when it was found what this guy had been convicted of,all the alarms should have gone off.

Why weren't the local police notified when this guy moved back into their community after his very early release?


Is this cop still collecting a paycheck, or his boss for that matter, or anyone who knew about this report at the station where it was reported?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Just about all this information was made public days ago in the Mail Online articles I was posting

Several posts ago, I was asking why the US media is lagging so far behind the UK media re: the same story

In fact, the UK media was reporting some days ago that the investigators who handled the Garrido casino-kidnapping case back at the time, are asking now .. 'why was this guy released ?'

UK media also revealed that Garrido, upon his release, was stalking his victim at her workplace

Investigators have admitted that although they devoted thousands of hours to the Jaycee case, and investigated 'thousands' of suspects .. Garrido was not one of those investigated --- no explanation provided for that by the investigators, other than mumblings about 'slipped through the net'. Intentional, by design .. or simply lax investigative procedures ?

Same 'lax' procedure on the part of the parole board who turned him loose ? Yet officers who dealt with Garrido over the casino-kidnap and rape say now that they are 'outraged' to learn that he was released.

So .. don't parole boards confer with the arresting officers ?

In Australia, parole-board members operate under legally-bestowed 'anonymity'.

Is it the same in the US ? Or are parole board members identities disclosed to the public ?

It's always been my belief that parole board members' identities should be made public. After all, parole board members frequently override the advice of sentencing judges, psychiatrists, victims, arresting officers and prison authorities.

Just who ARE these parole board members ? They seem responsible for exactly the same type of stuff-ups world-wide.

They also appear to be afflicted with exactly the same type of stupidity and cluelessness and repeatedly release dangerous criminals into the community.

Most of the time, the public couldn't care less. Until a Garrido type case comes along and the questions start flying

Yet how easy would it be for a group which demands the privilege of anonymity to be compromised, bribed, threatened ? Very easy

And this time, they released a highly violent, proven rapist, kidnapper and potential killer BACK into the community

Those parole board members released Garrido 21 years ago. They're most likely retired now and living in luxury.

Were they bribed into releasing Garrido (and countless others) ?

Bribed/threatened by whom .. and for what purpose ?

Did Garrido operate alone ?

Or was he supplying/pimping girls and women to the powerful and influential ?

Will this case dissapear down the gurgler .. replaced by the next item of sensational news ? Or will it throw up answers to all-too obvious questions, such as: why did NONE of the parole officers investigate the rear yard OR spot Garrido's kidnap vehicle during those 18 years following Jaycee's kidnap ?

And how effective can the sexual offenders registry BE, when parole officers, police and investigators FAILED to do anything even when neighbours reported that Garrido .. a sexual offender .. had small children in his home ?

Failure of the system ? Or deliberate manipulation of the system by those with power to do so ?

If the latter, the public will be told nothing, as usual. Instead, the focus will be on the sexual and sensational aspects of the case, which is generally of more importance to a sexualised public anyway



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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Yeah, I see a conspiracy here, but we got put into the general news category.

I don't know how parole boards are set up, and I think it varies from state to state. I don't see how they could be anonymous, being they are able to free convicted criminals, that would essentially destroy the credibility of the system.

That they let this guy out thinking he was reformed and no longer a threat to society strains all credulity.

Letting these kinds of people out of the jails to continue to perpitrate their crimes certainly works well towards getting people to vote for more and more courts, jails, and police, the better enabling the PTB to build a police state.

How indeed did this guy get out of jail?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Here is an editorial about this situation calling for review of Nevada's parole system. Predictably, it suggest that lack of money is the problem, what a surprise.

rgj.com...

You can't fix stupid, and the incompetent morons who let this guy out where at the very least stupid for letting him go.

In fact, I would say criminally negligent.

That is another thing, everyone else can be held responsible for their actions, but many in the criminal justice system are given immunities. I just don't think that is a square deal.

The Nevada board of parole commissioners is appointed by the governor, for four years.

Here is their website.

www.parole.nv.gov...



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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it's amazing that the first thing they always want to do is review and revise the rules, when all they need to do is enforce the rules. no new laws or rules are needed. they will only be ignored.

we have a real problem with people in power AT ALL LEVELS not being expected to follow existing laws, and no accountability or consequences when they consistently don't.



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Well, right now, the 'powers' that be would be intent on diffusing public fury.

As usual, 'reviews', 'revamps', 'enquiries'

They know that by next week, the public's attention will be occupied by something else. Dozens, possibly hundreds of children and adults died in agony after enduring torture at the hands of Garrido and the 'Mexicans' reported by neighbours, but it will fade from public consciousness

Parole boards though, are THE weak link in the chain

And that is NOT 'accidental' imo

* criminal commits crimes (the public pays, one way or the other)

* police investigate the crimes (the public pays the police for every second of their time)

* police arrest the criminal (the public pays for every iota of the arrest procedure)

* the criminal is jailed, pending court (the public pays, pays, pays .. for the jails, for the vehicles to transport the criminal, for the towels, soap, food etc. of the criminal)

* criminal goes to trial (public pays for all those court attendants, for the lighting, for the building itself and its furnishings and cleaners and upkeep etc. etc.)

* witnesses attend the trial, police give evidence etc (public is paying for all of this, one way or the other)

* judge sentences the criminal (public pays the judge handsomely, plus all the other expenses, on and on)

* criminal is jailed (the public keeps paying, all the way through)

* criminal lodges appeal (public as a rule pays the criminal's lawyer and pays for all the costs associated with appeals)



ALONG COMES THE PAROLE BOARD

THEY RELEASE the CRIMINAL



Off goes the criminal, back into society

* criminal (in this case Garrido) continues where he left off, plus some

* children are snatched from their lives and used as a sex toy by the criminal

* child's parents suffer unimaginably. In this case, the step-father's life was basically destroyed by innuendo and outright accusation. The child's mother's life is destroyed. Umpteen families live in fear, change their routine, look over their shoulders night and day. How many families did Garrido infect with his criminality, one way or another ? Innumerable

* police devote thousands of hours to investigating the Jaycee case (public paid for every minute of every one of those thousands of hours)

* parole officers monitor Garrido (public pays for all of it .. for all parole officers, plus the public pays for all the administrative costs of running the parole system, every cup of coffee, every pen and pencil, every sheet of paper, every vehicle, the cost of those vehicles, replacement of those vehicles, the gas that goes into those vehicles, every air-conditioner, every watt of electricity, the buildings, the furniture, the phone and phone bills, repair and maintenance, etc. etc. etc. )

* for 18 years, Garrido does what he does with Jaycee and the children he forced her to bear

* during the 21 years after the PAROLE BOARD released him into society, Garrido does what he does elsewhere, if suspicions are correct. In that time, dozens of children and women go missing

* the police investigate all the children and women who are reported 'missing' during the 21 years Garrido is at liberty (the public pays for every police officer, every minute they spend on the job, every vehicle and phone and item they use .. 21 years.

* while the police are investigating the missing children and women over that 21 year period .. they are prevented from attending to OTHER crimes, missing people, etc. Therefore, Garrido's activities tie up vital resources, all of which are paid by the public

* the police finally nail Garrido again, 21 years after he was RELEASED by the PAROLE BOARD (the public AGAIN pays police to devote time to the stinking pile of excreta that is Garrido .. every phone call, every vehicle, every pair of disposable gloves, every cup of coffee, every camera, all the bodies on the ground investigating the Garrido property, adjacent properties, industrial buildings, etc. etc. etc.

* Garrido is AGAIN JAILED (the public pays once more .. for the vehicles to take the creature to jail, for the courthouses, for the lawyers, for attendants and administrators, for police, for jail personnel, etc. etc. etc.)

* Garrido will AGAIN be charged (public pays AGAIN for lawyers, for court attendants, for judges, for cleaners, etc)

* Garrido will be sentenced AGAIN (public will pay for it ALL AGAIN)



Ok. I've left out heaps of detail of the costs borne just financially in relation to that one stinking, perverted piece of excreta

I am not ABLE to ennumerate the human suffering caused by that abomination of a creature known as Garrido


But the weak link in all this public spending and legal system stands out a mile, doesn't it ?

Yes. The Parole Board. The weakest link.

And go through the annals of repeat offenders and the costs borne by society in terms of money and human suffering and it's the parole board which is at fault, time and time again

In Australia, members of the parole boards enjoy complete anonymity. They could be a criminal cabal for all the public knows.

Anonymity because they KNOW (as does the legal system) that the public would tear parole boards limb from limb .. would hold them personally accountable for their crimes .. yes, their crimes, in releasing into communities proven perverts, murderers, contract killers, paedophiles.

In the US it may be different. If so, the US has the opportunity now to demand the parole board which released Garrido back into society be held personally responsible. In fact, I believe members of parole boards should themselves be jailed for what are CRIMES.

Releasing Garrido into the community was a crime, imo. A crime demanding of the trial and incarceration of parole board members. Gee, what a novel approach. It will enrage libertarians. BUT it would probably be extremely effective in making parole boards think about how their actions might rebound on THEM if they make a wrong decision. And wouldn't THAT be good ? It would mean, for example, that they wouldn't be half so keen to release another Garrido










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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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HEY MODS!!!!!!!

This doesn't sound like a conspiracy to you?

Cause it sure sounds like a conspiracy to me.

This sounds like the very method being used to get people to vote away their liberties, call for more courts, judges, jails, and police and all the associated things that go with them in building a police state.



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