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Ohio soldier made 2 calls to mom telling of abuse before killing himself

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posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:18 AM
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I'm sorry but there's just way too much happening in the military and it's so much more commonplace then people know or want to admit.

With Its Record of Rape, Don't Send the US Military to the Congo

1 in 3 women in the U.S. military are sexually assaulted or raped. Women and girls in countries with U.S. military bases are raped by U.S. military.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

1 in 3 women in the U.S. Military are Raped!
If they rape their own what ungodly things do you think they are doing to their enemies?

Well here's one example!

‘It was awesome’ U.S. soldier said after raping Iraqi girl and killing her family

WASHINGTON—A U.S. soldier who raped a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, shot her in the face then lit her body on fire will face life in prison.

He also killed the rest of her family including a six-year-old girl, then bragged the experience was awesome. He was part of a gang rape. Three other soldiers have been convicted on the charge already and sentenced to life.

www.vancouverite.com...

Ex-soldier pleads guilty to raping two young girls

A Clarksville man charged with raping two young girls and videotaping the crimes pleaded guilty Monday morning. He was sentenced to at least 25 years in prison.

Cornelius O. Williams, 39, was charged with two counts of rape of a child, two counts of especially aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor and two counts of possession of child pornography.

www.tennessean.com...


The problem here is that I could go on and on and on and on.

And most cases don't even get reported!




posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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And to thnink, when i was 17, i was all GI joe hyped to wanna join the marines! id id my own investigateins on how things really work, and decided not too. Obama wnats his civilain workforce, send more troops to afghanisan..between the poeple at guatnonmo bay, caught on film using finger and hand gestures along with those being tortred, and thhis kid being 'hazed', pushed ot his won suicide by his own commandeers, i do indeed wonder, what WE have in store for us then.
NEver been in military, but i was under the impression, yuor suposed to act and train as a team? or am i wrong? Commanders hazing and makeing the select few do someting way out of regualtion just seems to be allowed*** Oh, and remember lat year was it? the kid marine who threw the puppy off a cliff, and was simply pardoned and sent home? Byt odays standards ide be scared to death to be drafted or join the amry or marines.linf act, ide rather commit suicide than serve the FED, let alone those who are suposed to be pro jsutice and freedom tear me or others apart for thier own amusement



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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1 in 3 women in the army or core are raped? I foind that hard to belive..it could be true, i just think that number is off. If so many were raped, yuode think theird be a machine gun and gernade revenge war going on by now...served BY the women.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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There are 1.9 million in the military.

If you can pull up that shows that 10% of the military has conducted crimes along the same lines as the ones you posted then I will star everyone of your anti military threads.

two conditions. Your sources cannot be from anti anything sites and they have to be no older then 1 year ago today.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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your right his statistics are bogus and he blatantly lies because he has an agenda.

Why do people think the armed forces are any different then civilian populations.They have the same problems as society because thats who joins i don't get it. As far as statistics the latest Department of defense statistics on sexual assault are lower than colleges, The victimization rate for college women is 28 rapes per 1,000 female students.

The Army had 2.6 reports per 1,000 soldiers; the Air Force had 1.6 reports per 1,000; the Marines had 1.1 per 1,000; and the Navy had 1 per 1,000 sailors. The average was 1.8 sexual assaults reported per 1,000 military members.

Apparently its safer to have your kids in to the military the go to college.And also safer to send the military overseas than a bunch of college kids huh?



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:07 AM
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reply to post by ModernAcademia
 
There is nothing more telling than an over educated buffoon, who knows little of reality other than what they have been taught by other over educated buffoons, the cycle is never ending kinda like a hamster on a wheel, they are nice to observe from time to time but basically serve no useful purpose.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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Well. Since you asked for some facts, I figured I would give you some.

www.sapr.mil...

This states that during fiscal year 2008, there were 2,908 reports of sexual abuse involving Military Service members. This is up from 2,688 from the previous year. It also goes on to state that at Military Service acadmies, the incident report for unwanted sexual contact for women was at around 9%. It was around 1% for men.

I also ran across this site, Which I don't know if it goes against your anti-military policy, but its definitly anti rape in the military. Most of the research is taken from various government reports and sites, as well as a few news articles.

www.stopmilitaryrape.org...

A few facts from here are:

*80 percent of rapes are never reported - making it the most under-documented crime in the military.

*Up to 90% of women will be sexually harassed.

*The Army has the highest reported rapes however the Coast Guard has the highest percentage of women reporting rape.

*At year-end 1997, sex offenders accounted for 1 in 3 prisoners held in military correctional facilities.

*181 out of 2,212 reports of military sexual assaults, or 8 percent, were referred to courts martial. By comparison 40 percent of those arrested in the civilian world on such charges are prosecuted.

*According to the Department of Defense's own statistics 74-85% of soldiers convicted of rape or sexual assault leave the military with honorable discharges (meaning the rape conviction does not appear on their record!)

*Over 90% of all females that report a sexual assault is discharged from the military before her contract ends. From the 90%, around 85% are discharged against their wishes. Almost all of the 85% lose their careers based on a misdiagnoses that makes one inelgiable for military service. The most common misdiagnoses are: adjustment disorder, personality disorder and pre-service existing PTSD or other disorder.

*A 2007 study has shown that 23 percent of Coast Guard cadets said they would not report other cadets who commit sexual assault, while 65 percent say they would allow personal loyalty to impact their decision to report sexual assault.


While this might not be approaching the 10 percent figure you asked for, I would think that these facts speak for themselves. These men and women are supposed to be the best our country has to offer and conduct themselves accordingly. These numbers are simply way to high if you ask me.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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So you didn't get my 10% in a year.

Why did you reply to me again?



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 03:37 AM
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This is what I think.

1. Wars are immoral.

2. Mistreating others is immoral, and so is mistreating animals.

3. For a mother to lose her son like that is immoral.

4 What he went through is immoral.

5. There are a lot of powerful people who do not care about moral or immoral.

6. People do not care about other people.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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Because, while I might not have reached your standard of 10 percent, your attitude in your replies seems to imply a certain level of apathy regarding rape in the military. And that if the incidences don't reach even 10 percent, that somehow it's not really that much of a big issue or somehow people are making this up. Even one of these incidences and some of the facts I have provided you with should give you pause. Rape or sexual harassment under any circumstances in the military is not o.k. Like I said, these men and women are supposed to represent the very best that America has to offer. They are supposed to represent our ideals to the very highest degree. Even if the incident report showed only one reported case, that is one more that should be tolerated. But hey. I provided you with some concrete facts and apparently it's not enough for you so....whatever I guess. If I took your replies out of context, I apologize.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:36 AM
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The very fact that you can jump on a blog and express your opinion or stand on a street corner and lamblast the military or the country is a by-product of those who served and those who even died to give you that right.

With due respect, your statement has some merit with respect to those who fought Hitler, Musolini and the like. It has no bearing whatsoever to the wars going on in the Middle East.

None of the men and women fighting over there now, whether idiots or well intentioned are doing anything good for my safety and well being. Their trampling on others rights and freedoms is ensuring an abundant supply of "extremists" angry at the west.

How does that help anyone? They are making things worse. The only ones who are getting something out of this fiasco are the arms sellers and oil giants.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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There is high levels of sexual harrassment in the military. It is higher for men against men then it is against women, population ratios factored. Though it is still higher for women then compared to the outside world.

The story I heard said it really isn't anything new. But that more opportunities are given to soldiers to report it anonymously.

So the question is, what is it about the military that is encouraging this behavior?



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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To request an article as recent as a year is not totally feasible. The surveys that they do on crime in teh military are large, highly funded projects that they do every few years or so.
2-3 or even 5 years is valid information. Same war, same military.

I believe you are trying to set stipulations to exclude information because you don't want to hear it.

[edit on 30-8-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I believe you are trying to set stipulations to exclude information because you don't want to hear it.


My thoughts exactly!
That very much seems to be the case.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Then you, (with all due respect) are a fool, who has no concept of the real world. I would suggest that you get out more but the thought of you operating in public is disturbing. The first clue was (silly lib trick) of invoking Hitler's name and ideology or what ever attempt was to do that is so, hum, Pelosi-esq and really shallow. The problem with your line of thinking is you rail against those who would disagree with you (and I did try to be respectful) you sing the same tired old crap, although I am waiting for the "racist" accusation to come out soon (seems the other part of libs is they can't stand on facts so they have to resort to the same tired old sh!t of crying racist, thanks Rev's Jesse and Al). Perhaps if you aimed for something other than perpetual victim you could come up with something original.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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GI's convicted of crimes like this against Iraqis should have to server their time in an Iraqi jail. It seems only fair to me.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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And I don't blame him. The military is supposed to be a highly organized machine.With trained,smart people. Not fallible humans. How can they protect us if there is so much strife.

But it is not just the military. And situation where you have a huge skew of sex, living in tight conditions, both space and structure, you tend to have this sort of outburst.

[edit on 30-8-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by wayno

With due respect, your statement has some merit with respect to those who fought Hitler, Musolini and the like. It has no bearing whatsoever to the wars going on in the Middle East.

None of the men and women fighting over there now, whether idiots or well intentioned are doing anything good for my safety and well being. Their trampling on others rights and freedoms is ensuring an abundant supply of "extremists" angry at the west.


With all due respect, you seem to forget that soldiers do not get to pick and chose which wars they "get" to fight in. In fact, I find it quite amusing that the population is quite willing to pick an chose how to judge military men and women depending on the war they are fighting in.

Men and women in the military stand ready to defend the United States whenever the government needs them to. Go ahead and feel free to write off their current mission as useless whenever you decided it's not noble enough. Someday, when you feel as if your life or rights are being threatened and are in need of defense you can go back to thanking for being there, ready to defend you.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
If I was in the army.......Why would I want to help possibly save somebody's life or watch their back when they spend months torturing me and doing bad things to me...

I'm leaving that person to fend for themselves....Not my fault they are a douchebag.


I am in the army, and how can I trust some kid that can't even get is act together enough to get in shape before deploying? How can I put my life on the line to save them, when it's clear they were not willing to go through the simple process of getting in shape again (as they were at one point, as you are required to get through TRADOC), and as a result, they are not capable of saving me. They should not be in the combat zone to begin with, and are a risk to themselves and their unit. I appreciate how insensitive this may sound, but it's the God-honest truth.

On the topic of what was going on - I think it was some corrective training gone a little far. They were trying to push the kid to exercise, get in shape, he apparently wasn't motivated enough, so they were trying to give him something to motivate him with. I agree, they took it a bit too far, but as someone else said before me, I also wouldn't take anyone's calls to their mother as gospel. When I was at Basic, some kid got irritated, called his mom, complained about the living conditions, said he "developed Asthma" while we were there, and completely out-and-out lied to her to get sympathy. The only reason we heard about it was because the mom got in contact with a senator, and the senator got her on the phone with the commander at our training company, with the recruit right there telling her to shut up. Again, there is some truth in what was said, but I would not completely believe it all.

Do I condone what happened? No, they took things a bit too far, if what is said was true. Do I think this is an unfortunate product of our very flawed TRADOC now? Absolutely, TRADOC needs to teach Soldiers how to deal under stress, and NCOs how to lead. They do neither anymore. I think that soldier never should have been there to begin with, and those NCOs should have known much better than to pull what they did.

It is an unfortunate tragedy, and I hope this has farther-reaching implications than just punishing those NCOs directly involved.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
But it is not just the military. And situation where you have a huge skew of sex, living in tight conditions, both space and structure, you tend to have this sort of outburst.


I would somewhat disagree here
I'm sure what you are saying holds some truth but it's not the major factor

lack of morals and intelligence is very much a part of military recruiting.

I'm sure you are aware how they use racism as a motivational factor in wars, calling iraqis diaper heads or sand N-Word so soldiers have no second thoughts of killign people.

People who fall for this are definately not very intelligent and have a lack of morals. I'm not combing the entire military as such but it definately plays a part in recruiting efforts.



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