****Mind Blowing 1958 speech (video)****

I've got to say that this video is amazing. There is more truth in this video than any other I've seen with this message. The people have lost control of the government. The government now controls the people. Isn't that what socialism and communism do? It's not Obama's fault, it has been like this for years, well before even Reagan was in office. Our recent presidents have just been more obvious, maybe for the fact that there's nothing we can do. Our country has intentionally been "Dumbed" follow the media. The majority are just sheep.

Great thread. Star and Flag.

One question though, if this speech was made in 58, why did he reference Nixon as a President?

Surely he's not THAT intuitive.

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According to the video the speech is from 1974, but in the first half he's reading some text from a different speech he made in '58.

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Oh okay. Thanks.
2nd line.

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Incredible, thx so much for this post. This shows how patient and focused the NWO has been, WAKE UP!!!

S/F great find.

Stop this from happening, I know we can.

Originally posted by masterp
Americans are so wrong in a lot of things:

1) the Obama administration are not Nazis.
2) universal health care is good - America is quickly deteriorating to a 3rd world country. If you don't give universal health care to your citizens, expect great poverty and ultimately a revolution.
4) the UN is not out to get you. The UN is necessary for peace on Earth. The UN may have done some bad things the last few years, but they are greatly exaggerated by American media.
5) poorness is not only due to one's stupidity. There are social factors in play as well.
6) a patriot defends his own land, not his own interests in foreign lands.

If the US does what the video suggests, i.e. stop caring about the other nations, then the world's problems will escalate tenfold. The terrorist acts inside US soil will be tripled, and many wars will be started around the world. Rogue nations will get nuclear arms. And all these problems will lead to a third world war, from which America can not escape.

You are right and wrong. the un is NOT our friend... never has been. Its ALWAYS been a socialist operation.

Universal health care? Thats why so many doctors came to the US from canada. My wife had the privilege to be worked on by two of their best. They came here for 2 reasons.
1. They couldn't do the work they needed to in a timely manner (take a number and see you in a year)
2. They couldn't make any money. Before you use the usual line of "they are just money grubbers", they bought duplex's to put people up so they wouldn't have to spend tons on lodging. they provided these for free. This is not to mention the amazing amount of charity work they've done.

Defending foreign lands? I'll give you a half point for that. There are times when it IS in the best interest of home to defend abroad....just not what we've been doing for a while now and not the way we're doing it.

Poorness do to stupidity? An ivory tower you have it seems. When you destroy an economy by shipping manufacturing abroad, tax the hell out of your people, bring in MORE people to compound this, it is very easy to have a small mistake (or not) and end up poor. When your job goes away and all you can find is a 8-10$ hr job and you had a $20 or better one before, its gonna get ugly.

You may be OK with foreign masters...most of us aren't.

edit- By the way. Thanks for the original reason for this thread. Excellent video. I may see about the JBS. sandf

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Originally posted by Disinfo Agent
reply to post by JayinAR

 

According to the video the speech is from 1974, but in the first half he's reading some text from a different speech he made in '58.

Funny you realize the speech is in 74 and only refrences the 58 speech, yet in earlier post you said "What has the NWO been doing for 50 years" instead of 35 years. Anyways thats not that long for a political takeover, especially if you think when opposing sides try taking over by force the major war that it causes can easily last 6-12 years. Obviously just going to war with a country would be faster than insider/political takeover methods, 50 years would be quite fast and effective job.

Great find. Scary one at that as well. S&F.

The guy seems to be, apart from being correct, an anti-globalist and wants America's resolution to act as an independent nation and not as the world's police. My question is: Is it not beneficial to us that the United States does act like the world's police, does have intelligence agencies working, does have military bases - more than any in the world, does more implementing than the U.N. on who should and should not have nuclear arms (despite helping other countries, even our "enemies")?

One may say, "Well, the government could be policing within its own country as well." True, but what system of government isn't corrupt?

I am all for bring the troops home and using them when necessity dictates and leaving the world's problems up to the U.N. to solve. Yet, globalism is impossible to avoid because conquest never died. An independent nation is only asking for trouble from the surging power of the U.N. but being an isolationist could be a good thing or bad thing.


And in this world, conquest exercised is not always by force, but by influence and exposure to certain things in Western societies that clash with the traditions of old, thus rotting them out in the process. Enforcing a Democracy to a place is not like it used to be with the Constitution as a document empowered by the people, but rather the establishment of Democracy makes it easier to implement the agendas of the elite.

The UN is an reconstitution of the League of Nations - both were set up by the United States ! The World Bank, IMF and WTO are also ALL institutions of the United States - and what is the reality of these places - yes a potential diminishing of sovereignty for nations which fall outside of the power structure, the security council. However this diminishing of power only effects the people of any nation - and not the corporations. That has been the goal of liberalism - and effective it is too.

There are some profound misnomer around here, to think that Nazis were socialists is hilarious - it is a profoundly foolish and stupid argument, anyone may approriate a name - or even god - to lend credibility to their cause - that does not mean it represents their cause. The ideas behind communism, socialism, Nazism and racism are complicated political theories and unless you have read them and understood them thoroughly you should avoid ruining your arguments by referencing them when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

The world has been transformed BACK into what it always was - a global place of free trade - FREE of the burden of meddling governments and soveriegn states.

The 20th century was really the only century where sovereign states dominated the world scene, and this is being removed as it is highly destructive - the vast, vast majority of our history has never seen any nation states - it is a particularly modern thing - so to see them being removed is not an abnormality but a return to normality.

The peace of the treaty of Westphalia signified the start of nation states - 1648 - however nothing much really became of it until the 20th century when rampant nationalism flourished allowing the creating of huge volunteer armies of entire nations - nations never existed prior to this in any significance.

Those who believe fervently in nationalism, USA, believe in the most oppressive system their is - this is truly the most restrictive and oppressive model ever devised - and all you patriots seem oblivious to this truth ! You nation was founded on free enterprise by a corporation - the West Virginia Company - and many others followed. It has a tradition of free enterprise - consider filibustering - a uniquely American past time . The very declaration of the American Union is the greatest act of oppression on the rights of entrepreneurs ever enacted - this thread simply can not have it both ways - either you have government - which embodies the United States - or you return to the rationale of free enterprise which preceded it and necessarily stands in contradiction of the United States -

The world of Merchantalism which dominated prior to the the 20th century - and well into it - ran alongside dynasties, monarchs, city states, family empires such as the ottomans - NOT countries - and these were specifically aimed at increasing power and wealth through the pursuit of entrepreneurship unfettered by national interests of today -

Mark my words on this....you have no idea what you are all talking about - none. You are simply mixing up a strange brew of parochial nationalism with freedom from government oversight - an absolute dichotomy.

Time for all of you to read some history - OUTSIDE your own irrelevant formation.

Originally posted by HumilityIsKey
Funny you realize the speech is in 74 and only refrences the 58 speech, yet in earlier post you said "What has the NWO been doing for 50 years" instead of 35 years. Anyways thats not that long for a political takeover, especially if you think when opposing sides try taking over by force the major war that it causes can easily last 6-12 years. Obviously just going to war with a country would be faster than insider/political takeover methods, 50 years would be quite fast and effective job.

I posted that in reference to the stuff he was quoting from the 1958 speech (how they're going to raise taxes, etc.).

The Birchers and their sympathizers disagreed with you on the timeline, by the way - their membership was divided between the people who thought that a communist takeover was imminent and those who believed that the US government was already essentially under Communist control (McCarthy was in the latter camp, in fact he thought Eisenhower was a communist plant). So they certainly didn't think it'd take many decades; they had a great sense of urgency about it. 50 years later and we're still waiting - what has been accomplished in the meantime? Is the downfall of communism also part of the communist plot...?

Hell, this sort of conspiracy theory goes back even before the 1950s. Pre-WWII there was a whole subculture of people who thought the League of Nations was going to take over the world and nullify the sovereignty of its member nations.

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I have no idea what you're talking about.
This is my third post in this thread.

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Wow..a very interesting take. Insightful as well. Star and thanks. I tend to agree with much of what you said...especially with the throwing around of different political 'isms' so easily...

The world has been transformed BACK into what it always was - a global place of free trade - FREE of the burden of meddling governments and soveriegn states.

This stood out to me the most. But I believe this is and was the goal and intention of the speech in the OP. All be it with a focus on economic and militaristic policies that should be redirected inwardly and not expanded for anti free trade motives...

The 20th century was really the only century where sovereign states dominated the world scene, and this is being removed as it is highly destructive - the vast, vast majority of our history has never seen any nation states - it is a particularly modern thing - so to see them being removed is not an abnormality but a return to normality.

But couldnt it be argued the sovereignty of nations has been what has enabled the growth and technological advances making the modern world what it is today? The date you mention could mark the beginnings of the different eras...from renaissance to industrial to modern. All due to the comparatively safe 'net' individual countries provide to their citizens. If you look at the period after the "world wars" in europe in the late 18th century up to the mid 19th centuries there is a very large economically diverse boom that occured.

Also, cant it be argued the structure and organised planning of individual states is the result of nationalistic policies that have evolved due to natural human progression knowledge in political sciences?

The very declaration of the American Union is the greatest act of oppression on the rights of entrepreneurs ever enacted

Are you referring to post civil war and 'federalization' (please excuse the incorrect phrasing) of the states?

Certainly it can be argued that the majority of world entrepeneurship has come directly out of the beast you speak of... American entrepeneurship has driven world production for at least since WWII...no? And maybe the origination of such boom can be debated it definitely can be stated with fact that this has been the biggest production based boom the world had ever seen up to that point...

and these were specifically aimed at increasing power and wealth through the pursuit of entrepreneurship unfettered by national interests of today -

I cant see how past merchantilism can be confined by national interests of today. And I dont understand why you don't consider monarchies and oligarchies as countries...Maybe you could expound on this a bit?

Time for all of you to read some history - OUTSIDE your own irrelevant formation.

I agree, and I am fascinated with history and different accounting of world history. I am all ears if your willing to spend some time sharing your insights, or at least sharing some of the sources...

Originally posted by downtown436

I'm not sure if this guy founded the John Birch Society, or if he is just part of it. It was pretty profound that these people could see what the goals of the U.N. and other supra national groups were, even 50 years ago.

Too bad this group failed to achieve their goals.

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First...how is this 1958 when the speaker says that something happened to the US by every president from Roosevelt to Nixon? Was Nixon president before 1958? Not unless the history books are wrong.

Second, the video says this was from the 70's.

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Okay, so the speech was in 74' but he read his 58' speech. MY bad.

Most of what he predicted hasn't come about. Some, such as price controls, have been and gone. The rest were things that could have been predicted by anyone. Tax increases? You bet. They seldom if ever go down. Inflation? Often happens, though to be honest, we aren't seeing it right now.

The unbalanced budget? That was just in the past 8 years, thanks to Bush and his thugs. It was nicely balanced when Clinton left office. Bush, Cheney, and the other thugs raped our country and gave the money to their cronies. This video wouldn't have meant a thing, eight or nine years ago. It won't mean much in another few years, unless we keep letting crooks rape us.

Excellent post,

Very old fashioned in my opinion, he seems to be very in tune with a simpler and unique way of life. I still am thinking of why we should revert back to gold; my stance would be that reverting back to gold would make it more difficult to spew out money like water, like they are doing now. He is pretty spot on with his message, and I find it very noble of him to refer to his goals as projects. Referring to your goals as projects, leaves room for compromise, and as he says, room to accept what is not wanted or achieved during your life.

SVE

First of all, this has been posted on ATS before.

Secondly, how is this video from two speeches separated by more than a decade when it is, clearly, one speech?

Yah, thanks for that great video!!

Everything to be done, has been said in this video.
People have been warned 50 years ago, but governments around the world have brain washed people and censored the truth.
Look at my profile picture next to this post, it shows a hand in scissors motion metamorphicly meaning: censorship and many other government hidden actions mentioned in the main video of this thread.
But when you click on my nickname (to see the profile), then you see the whole picture where Lenin is behind this censorship hand.
What does that mean? and how is it related to this thread?
Answer: This is a minimized image of how the world is being run. People always tend to remove the hand which they can see instead of finding the head and aiming for it.

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