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reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 03:57 AM by Ex_MislTech

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True most of them are not German, they are however mostly left wing Fascists in the pockets of corporate power brokers. Ecoscience is their
Eugenics bible.

Do you have any proof about that, i.e. being fascists?

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41). Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism, Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.

We made it 220+ yrs without public healthcare, we need our jobs back not hand outs. Like Lincoln said, a hand up, not a hand out.
We needs Co-op healthcare that is not for profit and ban the HMO
profit scamming jerks, USAA insurance is a good initial model.

But our times is nothing like the previous 200 years. Times change, and policies must change accordingly. Today we have globalization. American money go abroad, immigrants go in. A system like the one followed the previous 220+ years can not be sustained.

Times do change, but just because you want it your way doesn't mean it is the right way. I still stand by a Co-op not for profit health care system doing a FAR better job than public or the current private system. The very high rating of USAA is a good example of turning a for profit system into a not for profit system, and doing it well.

Like the League of Nations, it is an idea which has outlived its usefulness, and it is a haven for the corrupt. The oil for food scandal comes to mind and I could dig deeper, but I do not really need to for those who actually read the news.

True, there are big scandals in the UN. But then, show me a place that has no scandals? how many scandals did you have in the US the last 50 years? too many.

Corruption is everywhere, that does not mean that a global body is not required.

Basically your logic follows this, It is true there is domestic violence, show me a place where ppl don't beat each other ? How many beatings have you had in the last 50 years ? too many.

Breaking the law is still breaking the law.

If I break the law I go to jail, when the UN breaks the law they get diplomatic immunity.

One law, one ppl, we are all equal under the law or not.

Lack of education is more likely than lack of ability.

Or the lack of social mobility. I.e if you are born poor, chances are you'll die poor.

Well I can use Condoleezza Rice as an example, but I'd say I'd not have taken the corrupt path she took.

She came from VERY poor beginnings, as have many others.

I live here in the ghetto, one family across the street from me has gone from welfare to the husband having his own plumbing company after working thru his apprentice years.

The wife finished her schooling and is working as a nurse.

A couple houses down a guy mows yards for rich ppl and makes more than I did as a Server Tech.

My brother does mowing and landscaping, treework, and spraying and makes double what I did.

Most ppl do not read anymore, its all about entertainment now.

True, but why do you blame the people for this? the media are controlled by the rich. It's in the rich people's interests to make the non-rich sheep.

You are taken a defensive stance here, I merely stated a fact.

I do not "blame" the poor, but some of the poor do blame the rich for their plight. You have taken it upon yourself to come here and read and write about what is going on, others can also do it.

The ppl have the freedom to chose who they are, and that has largely been to be sheep as you say.

Enough has happened in the past few years to wake up a lot of ppl, but most are still asleep.

If you do not want to be poor you can get away from it in several ways depending on your skills, appearance, connections, and stomach for the three D jobs.

Dirty, dangerous, and difficult.

If you have the tenacity to do all three then you end up like my neighbor when I lived in rural Oklahoma.

The guy is no genius, but he works hard, and knows his job.

He became a welder and made mediocre pay, he became X-ray certified and his pay went up a fair bit.

He converted his truck to a full welder rig and now works part time contracts for the oil field dismantling old oilfield sites, and then takes the scrap metal pipe that they let him take and makes pipe fences for high dollar racing horse owners in a multi state area.

He makes more money in a year than I make in 3 years.

A former co-workers sister works as a waitress and because she is good looking she gets HUGE tips from men.

The implied situation might scare some women, but she carries a taser and mace in her purse.

I have several other examples like my uncle who started out as a used car salesmen, then owned his own car lot, then his son's idea to start building custom cars like the one in the movie gone in 60 seconds.

They get orders from all over the world after a few major car shows.

reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 04:13 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by masterp

I am a citizen of EU actually, and the American view of Obama never ceases to amaze me. That's why I'm asking these questions.

Still, no answer yet, only lots of emotions towards Obama and the democrats. I guess each one of you has your special reasons, but my questions are not really answered yet.

Europe has been slowly sliding into a hybrid of socialism, communism,
and Fascism since the end of World War 2.

I do not have a problem with some of the socialism parts, some I do,
but the other parts I really do not like at all.

If you cannot see the common sense of the Speech the OP posted,
then your views are deeply set in your mind and it is likely
that we will have to agree to disagree.

You say the American view of Obama, but you forget Americans
did vote him into office.

Are you saying it was someone other than Americans that voted him in ?

I do not hate the man, he is just a puppet.

As some have said, he is a maximum puppet.

No prior president would let Rahm Emmanuel treat them the way
Rahm treats Barrack, and that does not make it a redeeming
quality of Barrack either.

Watch "The Obama Deception" on google video or youtube and then
you will get a fair idea of why a lot of America is waking up to what
Obama REALLY stands for.

Rev. Wright is one piece of it.

The former terrorist that bombed government buildings as a friend.

The refusal to show his long form doctor signed BC.

His viewpoint that a child that is born surviving an Abortion should
be left to die.

Even black ppl in office here in the US have come foward with
tremendous condemnation of Obama.

Mr. Keyes opinion on Obama

I will not call the man an Abomination on TV, but then I don't have the
steel spine that Keyes seems to posses.

Until you realize that ppl have some legitimate points black or white,
there is nothing I can do to explain it to you thru total bias.

reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 04:38 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by masterp
Excuse me, but:

1) how is Obama and the Democrats socialists? if they were socialists, they would confiscate everything and prohibit ownership. They would make everything belonging to the state, and there would be only one party to rule.

Obama gave money to the big corporations so as that they do not lay off thousands upon thousands of American workers. This is not a socialist's act.

GM was seized, and was one of the biggest corporations in US history.

Joining the WTO allowed the US to be screwed by overseas
producers that do not have to meet the demands of OSHA, and the
many layers of taxation that cripple many US companies and either
end up closing or offshoring.

State power that is beholden to corporations is more in line with Fascism as Mussolini spoke of, and what we are seeing with first millions in bonuses for corrupt financial pirates, then 100's of millions, then dozens of billions in bonuses is Fascism my EU friend.

2) why not universal health care? the poor guy down the road will attack you if he has nothing to lose.

Again, 220+ years with no free healthcare.

Our healthcare system is broken, and needs fixing that is no doubt.

What is needed like I said in another post is a Co-op like they have at USAA insurance. It works very well, and the ppl in it love it and pay less than any other insurance out there.

Our VA hospitals are SO BAD that they made two movies about them, Article 99 and Born on the 4th of July.
Since they were made it has gotten better, and some states did not have the terrible problems seen in the movies, but a lot did.

3) why is the UN a threat to the US' sovereignty? it is not. The UN can not do anything if the US does not want to.

Perhaps your problem with the UN is that most countries did not agree with the Iraq war plans. Have you ever wondered that they might be right?

It seems there is an awful lot of people in USA that they buy into the right-wing rhetoric. Unfortunately, this rhetoric is seriously warped.

The real problem is the deterioration of the standard of living in USA. People are getting poorer as we speak, and they chose to blame the others for their problem, i.e. the UN, socialism, etc.

The mild issues with the UN

Some of what the UN chooses to ignore

The very best the UN has to offer

Ppl are getting poorer here due to the many layers of taxes
that are put on the ppl directly or indirectly by putting it on the
businesses that in turn pass it on in price increases to the ppl.

The real tax burden in the US

Penn and Teller quote 40% taxation, but in fact it is MUCH higher
when you consider the hidden taxes, licenses, fees, permits, etc etc.

It ends up being more like 80% !