Miracles: Can you help me understand?

Over thousands of years there have been people who "perform miracles". If I was to question Christ's followers I would interview them individualy, and try to get a "cops perspective" on what they have to say. First, there was little in the Christian faith that was very different from some previous "gods". I have to take into account peer preasure that railed against the Roman system which was brutal in the extreme. The sun god RA of the Egiptians was among the first to mention a one single all powerfull god, as opposed to a lot of little gods. But the one unique thing I see with Christ's teachings is the importance of compassion and mercy. Not just worship me or else.

I have always said if you believe in nothing, but try to live by Christ's principles, your not going to go wrong.

Personally I believe Jesus was an initiate into various mystic arts, at the point of baptism his vibrational frequently was sufficiently purified enough to allow his higher self (the part of reality that manages our past,present and future lives for the purpose of gaining experience so we can be closer to god) was able to come down to earth as it were. Being born in a period of history that even remembers such an enlightened soul is against unimaginable odds.

And so, as a higher self incarnate Jesus knew the rules of reality and that everything manifest eminates from the unmanifest and the ultime tool for shaping reality is consciousness on many levels. Thus he could manupulate energy to a massive extent.

reply to post by Astyanax

See above.

Hmmmm, OK, let's see what's above.

So you preach me a sermon, but you can't actually counter my objections.

Pardon me, was this also addressed to me? I don't remember preaching a sermon.

Oh, so He's no respecter of persons in the sense that he bullies and brutalizes all, but not in the sense that he cares equally for all?

This sounds like you believe in some sort of evil god...

Yes, that sounds like the God of the Bible all right. A God born of the dreams and revenge-fantasies of very primitive, emotionally immature human beings.

... and this sounds like you believe there is no God at all.

None of it sounds pertinent to my post, where I simply explained that your (apparently) deeply held belief that miracles cannot happen could be responsible for your lack of seeing miracles.

Methinks you be a bit confused. May I suggest some meditation?

TheRedneck

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I don't see God as a lot of people do. I see God as a source that is inside of us and has nothing to do with us looking like God on the outside. I also think we never part from that source we have a connection with it all of our lives.

Faith, belief and true emotion are the keys to miracles. Not all miracles are instantaneous . Seeing the conections in our lives to events that have happened and lead us to events that happen is part of that processes of learning about miracles.

Never once did Jesus doubt before he did a miracle. He just knew in his heart and mind that what he wanted to happen would happen. Perhaps he said a silent prayer before he performed each one. The bible doesn't say.

Some times translations in the bible leave you lacking. This is the way one verse in the bible should of been translated.

All things that you ask straightly, directly fr om inside my name you will be given. So far you have not done this. Ask without hidden motive and be surrounded by your answer. Be enveloped by what you desire that your gladness be full.

Think of all the miracles Jesus performed in the bible not one of them was for himself. They were for the benefit of others.

Once you get the faith and belief down. To me its more than positive thinking. Positive thinking would be more like what you want or want to happen. Belief would be a unquestioning knowing that it will happen to me. Faith is knowing that God will deliever. This is my way of thinking it might not be everyones.

These are pretty easy to do once you start seeing the connections in your life to where you are in life. The hard one for people seems to be the emotion one. People seem to be lacking in true emotion for others. Oh they know the emotions for themselves but not how to feel for others. So they have a ill concieved notion of what emotion is.

For some reason we know the emotions of hate, fear, anger, and lust. Which tend to make the miracles that come our way in life the ones that we don't want. But the emtion we believe these things to happen is created by those emotions so we get just exactly what we believe. We have created an unwanted miracle. We had faith, belief and emotion.

If you say the word passion to people they usually think something along the lines dealing with love intense love for someone something. Passion really means suffering. Rember the movie the passion of Christ. It didn't mean the love of Christ it meant the suffering of Christ. Many people didn't understand that.

I was once told when you work on the inside and try to elevate your spiritual level and higher emotions the physical things you need to survive are put forth for you. I've found this to be a true statement. It might be because when you work on your spiritual side and see the connections of how you got to where you are in life you realize that a greater force is watching out for you and making sure you are taken care of. At this time you are learning what true emotion is.

This is the path that works for me. It might not work for everyone I don't know. Maybe we each have our own different paths for what we need to work on in life.

Originally posted by TheRedneck

Originally posted by Astyanax
So you preach me a sermon, but you can't actually counter my objections.

Pardon me, was this also addressed to me? I don't remember preaching a sermon.

No, but your confusion is pardonable.

Oh, so He's no respecter of persons in the sense that he bullies and brutalizes all, but not in the sense that he cares equally for all?

This sounds like you believe in some sort of evil god...

No, this is the God pause4thought believes in. Apparently his God is no respecter of persons when it comes to punishing people, but is a respecter of persons in the sense that He performs miracles, which are acts that unfairly privilege one person or group of persons over another. God is also known to have 'chosen' the Jews - respecting persons again - though opinion is divided on whether being 'chosen' by the Old Boy is a privilege or a misfortune. The history of the Jews strongly indicates the latter.

Yes, that sounds like the God of the Bible all right. A God born of the dreams and revenge-fantasies of very primitive, emotionally immature human beings.

...and this sounds like you believe there is no God at all.

No, it sounds as if I don't believe in the kind of gods human beings invent and bow down to. If there is a God, it is nothing anthropomorphic or even relevant to human concerns. Its interest in individual human prayers, petitions and welfare is plainly zero. Oh, and it has no morals.

None of it sounds pertinent to my post, where I simply explained that your (apparently) deeply held belief that miracles cannot happen could be responsible for your lack of seeing miracles.

I repeat: miracles represent the dreams and revenge-fantasies of very primitive, emotionally immature human beings. Of these, gods are born. Is the pertinence clear now, or do you require it spelled out further?

Methinks you be a bit confused. May I suggest some meditation?

The confused see confusion all around them. My sympathies.

[edit on 12/8/09 by Astyanax]

Originally posted by Astyanax
I repeat: miracles represent the dreams and revenge-fantasies of very primitive, emotionally immature human beings. Of these, gods are born. Is the pertinence clear now, or do you require it spelled out further?

How is that the case?

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Autowrench:
Greetings, Greenize. That is it exactly. No need to be confused, I know this power is often attributed to Jesus and God and other deities, and to Satan at times, but it is just Orgone Energy, and it is there for anyone and everyone.

A couple of concepts which are central to this discussion are -

Anthropomorphism

... is the attribution of human characteristics to non-human creatures and beings, natural and supernatural phenomena, material states and objects or abstract concepts. Subjects for anthropomorphism commonly include animals and plants depicted as creatures with human motivation able to reason and converse, forces of nature such as winds or the sun, components in games, unseen or unknown sources of chance, etc. Almost anything can be subject to anthropomorphism. The term derives from a combination of the Greek ánthrōpos, "human" and morphē, "shape" or "form".

Source : Wikipedia






inconceivable


1. Impossible to comprehend or grasp fully: inconceivable folly; an inconceivable disaster.
2. So unlikely or surprising as to have been thought impossible;
3. unbelievable: an inconceivable victory against all odds.
Source : theFreeDictionary.com


When a person tries to understand the nature of God rationally it is just like trying to put the whole ocean into a teacup ...

Absolutely impossible !