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Originally posted by fleabit
Fact is - you did something illegal (whether it should be illegal or not is a different discussion). You got caught. Whether the Border Patrol has been given the right to issue a citation for efficiency - - or they called in the police to do it - - is irrelevant IMO.
The outcome is the same.
Not really. If he had been pulled over by a state trooper, not even a K-9 unit is allowed to sniff his vehicle without his permission. It would require a warrant. The fact that it WAS a border patrol made it possible for them to do so. As long as where he was stopped was 100 (airborne) miles from the border, he is subject to the border laws, as unfair as they may seem.
And yes, they patrol all the highways leading away from Mexico, so you are not magically exempt simply because you were not physically moving from Mexico into the U.S.
I think it is a shame that some individuals believe that because procedures have been in place it makes them Constitutional. There are several unconstitutional laws on the books. It takes due diligence on the public's part to protect themselves from unconstitutional legislation.
Unfortunately many individuals in this Country share your belief that if something is signed into law that it must be Constitutional and it must be accepted without question.
Whether the Border Patrol has been given the right to issue a citation for efficiency - - or they called in the police to do it - - is irrelevant IMO.
Originally posted by Annee
In other areas Border Patrol can detain someone and call police to come arrest them. Yuma cut out the middle man for efficiency - - - because of the high volume of drug trafficking in their location.
What in your opinion, is Constitutional?
While I appreciate your desire for 100% freedom from eveything, the world doesn't work that way. There really ARE bad guys, they DO bring in billions of dollars of drugs, many which end up in kids. They bring guns, Mexico is a great example of what happens when this goes unchecked.
The border solutions thus far have been underwhelming. But in the interim, until something better is devised, they do need to manage our borders. The biggest issues are illegals and drugs. So why is everyone so stunned that someone who HAD drugs was caught by border patrol?
Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Annee
Whether the Border Patrol has been given the right to issue a citation for efficiency - - or they called in the police to do it - - is irrelevant IMO.
I think part of his concern is the fact that these "border checkpoints" are not even at the border. They are touted as being necessary to curb illegal immigration and drug importation. The OP is providing an example of these checkpoints using their jurisdiction beyond the scope of their purpose.
If the means really do justify the ends of stopping illegal immigration and drug trafficking then maybe we should have these check points on every corner. They seem to have the jurisdiction as well as the support of the public. The only people that would mind would be those that have something to hide. Right?
Originally posted by Oatmeal
Do Not Move To California! You think things are bad there, this state is broke! The cops pull you over for anything, they need money! All services have been cut, school programs, Nat'l parks you name it, its gone! All taxes on everything have been raised, car registrations have doubled. I can go on and on but I repeat, Do Not Move to California!
The road (highway) he is talking about is definitely "on the border" - - as the only main highway.
Does this common sense directive really violate the constitution?
Originally posted by harvib
Oh. Hmmm. I thought the OP stated this checkpoint was inland? I thought he also mentioned Prescott which most certainly is not on the border. Maybe I misunderstood. So what you are stating is that this individual was detained at the border? Maybe the OP could shed some light?
I am pretty sure he is talking about I-8
Originally posted by harvib
Maybe the OP could shed some light?
Originally posted by harvib
Not from the area. But looking at a map I-8 doesn't even appear to lead into Mexico. Where does it intersect the border?
Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by harvib
Maybe the OP could shed some light?
I was nowhere near a U.S./ Mexico border. Interstate 8 goes from east to west, through southern california. The checkpoint is eastbound, about 75 miles west of yuma, deep in arizona, right after a town called Dateland.