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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by grapesofraft
Well, as an employer who has ALWAYS provided full healthcare benefits to their employees, I beg to differ.
Companies should be the ones providing health care or providing it at reduced rates. My company does well, pretty darn well actually, and I have never had a problem providing these things, even when I was just starting out.
The problem with self reliance is that companies would rather deal with a company when it's insuring people, than the actual individual. It reduces paper costs and headaches when it comes to filing for benefits and coverage.
And nationalized health care is not bad. It's just a matter of how you set it up. Sure there are some horror stories, but nothing's perfect. I live in Canada and have NEVER had a problem with the healthcare system, if I did, I can ALWAYS pay for better service through other means.
And I have a child whose medical bills would total over 50K a year without my government healthcare program.
~Keeper
Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Lichter daraus
You are correct they dont have to, but many companies are expected to or are looked down upon if they dont and I wonder why that is or how it came about? A good example is how everyone used to complain about Wal-Mart not providing health insurance for most of its employees.
[edit on 7/31/2009 by grapesofraft]
First I'd start with the movie " Wal-Mart, The High Cost Of A Low price", that should give you some perspective.
What's next, you going to say that Enron wasn't to blame for their actions?
And you're point about personnal responsibility, does that not extend to those who personally own large corporations who make alot of money? How about THEIR responsiblity?
Originally posted by rizla
Have a NHS system just like in they do in every developed nation except for the USA. All the horror stories about Socialist medicine are propaganda put around by the Insurers who are making a Bundle.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Sorry, but your argument is false.
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by grapesofraft
Yes let's steal more wages from the individual rather than the business they are employed with (typically made up of hundreds of individuals or even more). Bad enough the IRS gets to come in and steal the hard earned money of the American people...
Tell you what they, if they repeal the taxes on an individuals wages then it would be fair for that person to pay for 100% of their own care, but so long as the government keeps stealing from us I don't think we should allow the corporations to get in on it too...
Our freedoms shrink, our money disappears, and the chains of debt are slapped tight on our wrists as early as they can get us. Its a fine line between freedom and slavery, and while we may still be leaning toward the freedom side in this country I don't think it would take much to tip us over the edge.
"it is just an expense" - no it is not it is the well being of the worker, and it is in the best interest of the business to keep workers healthy is it not?