reply to post by zorgon
I agree... pesticides are bad news... and eventually the bugs will build immunity so they will be useless anyway..
Yeah that's why I was bit ruffled, someone else was arguing about pyrethrum with me and because they use it on "organic" foods... but the stuff
degrades fast... we switched from it from DDT because it last longer and it's an environmental nightmare and imho so is everything else they are
using. Pyrethrum is the only insecticide that bugs have never for whatever reason become immune to and it seems they never will... then you have the
water table amphibians soil lock down uv degradation the way it acts on the body... etc etc...
Organic, non organic... yeah term can be very confusing, in a nut shell one workd and doesn't have long term consequences on the body and the other
stuff really stinks and creates immune bugs anyway...
so knowing all that, my choice is clear which I'd rather eat...
But fully do understand your point that most people don't actually "Get" what's going on, and what the real story is
No one answered Di-hydrogen Oxide, Citric Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Fructose, Sucrose, Alpha-Linolenic-Acid, Asparagine, D-Categin, Isoqurctrin,
Hyperoside, Ferulic-Acid, Farnesene, Neoxathin, Phosphatidyl-Choline, Reynoutrin, Sinapic-Acid, Caffeic-Acid, Chlorogenic-Acid,
P-Hydroxy-Benzoic-Acid, P-Coumaric-Acid, Avicularin, Lutein, Quercitin, Rutin, Ursolic-Acid, Protocatechuic-Acid, and Silver. How about you? Care to
take a stab at it? Which of those are good for you and which are poison
lol your a funny guy...
My biggest complaint would be the Di-Hydrogen Oxide particularly it's adverse effect on cats and the potential damage over time to mountains and
Unless i'm overlooking something because i'm tired i'd eat them all... and they all would be highly toxic if used wrongly or in exceptional dosage
I get the point "what's a chemical? how many people even know? " It's a hella lot more complicated than Organic vs inorganic...
MY only stand on the subject comes down to the Organophosphates in use and their long term effects. And the methods used in organic produce vs
inorganic and what's really going on.
Fine so how many has that killed so far? Any statistics? What about all the car exhaust fumes and oil products leaching into the soil? Ever see the
grime from roads near farms on plants? Need solvent to get that off.
Given agreed... disgusting, and for the record it's way over due that we replace the methods by which cars operate entirely and it would be worth
every single penny.
My opposition to foods that come equipped with the wrong pesticides... I'll spare you the whole frog amphibian bird and fish shpiel.. of links...
but throw these two in...
To quote from Link 2
More alarming, studies in animals now show that even a single, low-level exposure to certain organophosphates, during particular times of early brain
development, can cause permanent changes in brain chemistry as well as changes in behavior, like hyperactivity. Chlorpyrifos (the chemical in the
insecticide Dursban), for example, decreases the synthesis of DNA in the developing brain, leading to drops in the number of brain cells. If these
findings pertain to humans, it may mean that early childhood exposures to chlorpyrifos can lead to lasting effects on learning, attention, and
behavior -- just as were seen with another environmental neurotoxin, lead.
I do agree with you...
We are living better, given a choice, eat the foods that have had pesticides used on them when the reality is you can't get anything without some
nasty chemicals in it period and take your chances with the right diet and the health effects outweighing the cumulative toxins... done right your
going to be FAR better off than not eating apples and oranges per say
I genuinely think though that what i'm talking about here is a major contributor to the dumbing down process, add memory loss etc, that i see as... a
Plague around me, like people are getting less capable mentally by the day... and I seek to eliminate everything I can and reduce volumes entirely...
living in a major city until a month ago I had to do live on an extremely serious regimen to feel okay... and I have since moved away
(obviously pesticides was one small part) pollution and poor water far worse...
It's each... a small battle in a big picture to clean things up...
with that said, i'm allot happier overall with Organic foods treatment than... most produce and yeah, some could find and point out and surely exist
examples of some pretty toxic Organic produce that manages to get out... like a harvest truck that leaked transmission fluid perhaps on your orange
trees roots or what have you
yeah... NO Guarantees because it says Organic..
I just feel the need to eliminate as much as humanly possible... I've talked about TOXIC Overload allot in here
I think we have passed a breaking point in overall chemical consumption, between prescription meds, pollutants, pesticides, artificial materials the
body is not accustomed too, bad eating habits microwaves...
all debatable by point...
My point however is...
I'm frightened by what I'm seeing I think people are having reactions perhaps too... the combination's and interactions of so many things in trace
amounts entering their body's that it is... impossible to figure out exactly what is happening...
Fatigues, mood disorders... metal illness, just plain becoming stupid lol
I know the more seriously I take keeping myself pure, the better I feel, the better I function and I use organic produce as part of my personal
regimen now whenever I can...
But with that said 100% agreement your 10x better off eating healthy in terms of detoxifying the mess... be the food Organic or not...