Freemason 32nd Degree Ritual

Originally posted by sebatwerk


So where does Nemrod fit into all that? Where did I hear that one from? i don't even remember. ML, ever heard of that?

Nimrod is mentioned in the Gothic Constitutions as the founder of Ninevah. Apparently, at least according to the Scriptures, he directed a band of ancient stonemasons in constructing the Tower of Babel, a brief reference of which is found in the Third Degree.

However, aside from that, Nimrod is of little importance to Masonry except in a few of the French degrees. Another similar example is the inclusion of the legend that Noah was the first Grand Master, with these Rites calling themselves "Noachites". The Noachite degree in the Scottish Rite and French Rites are examples, as well as the degree of Royal Ark Mariner.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Nimrod is mentioned in the Gothic Constitutions as the founder of Ninevah. Apparently, at least according to the Scriptures, he directed a band of ancient stonemasons in constructing the Tower of Babel, a brief reference of which is found in the Third Degree.

However, aside from that, Nimrod is of little importance to Masonry except in a few of the French degrees. Another similar example is the inclusion of the legend that Noah was the first Grand Master, with these Rites calling themselves "Noachites". The Noachite degree in the Scottish Rite and French Rites are examples, as well as the degree of Royal Ark Mariner.

Leave it up to the French to do everything differently! I've actually seen several refernces to the Tower of Babel in masonic literature, even without the mention of King Nemrod. Anyways, thanks for your answer, ML.

Masonic Light - what is your take on Catholic Pope Worship as a Symbol or Metaphor for Nimrod Worship (Nimrod was a King of Ninevah - Connected to Babylon? - Mesopotamia for sure right)?! You know that certain HAT the Pope wears that looks like a Fish Head & the "Fish Symbol" which supposedly represents "Jesus" - Can it be Traced back to that Nimrod Babylonian stuff? Isn't there a Strong connection to Judaism &
"Sea Creatures" for some reason i.e. "Leviathan" & "Dagon" (although those are supposed to be Demons)? Weren't the Phoenicians known to be a "Sea Faring Race"? I can definitely see how all of this connected into the Lore/Mythology of certain Mediterranean Cultures - I myself being an Italian American!

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

It all comes down to the Quintaur, the original bestower of knowledge on mankind. I believe the story goes the being could only be among Man in the day time, and at night went back to the sea.

BUT>>> the most interesting has to do with languages referring to the ancient sky as the SEA! It appears to be a reference to the firmament of pre-Flood times, the sea in the sky, as it were.

So he returned to the Sky at night, but he was represented as half-fish, half man.

I would say the Pope hat is blatant Pagan symbolism, don't accept the RCC apologetics that they were merely borrowing (the use of candles, transubstantiation, etc.) the Symbol to help the people become accustomed to it.
Thats the excuse for one generation only, fellas, not 1500 years!
Pope JP also likes to use a branch symbolizing a broken cross to 'bless' the people, so who knows. Oh, and then there is the gematria value for the Pope's title: (using the roman numerals duh)
VICARIUS FILII DEI
" V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = none
R = none
I = 1
U = 5
S = none
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112

F = none
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
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53

D = 500
E = no value
I = 1
501
112
53

112 + 53+ 501 = 666" And translated, the title means In Place of the Sun (son) of God, yes indeed.



[edit on 23-3-2005 by akilles]

Well - VICARIUS FILII DEI = Vicar of the Son of God! So in other words CHRIST = GOD! GOD made MAN & MAN made GOD! Only thing just what exactly do they mean by "Christ" - do they mean
Jesus/"Jesus Christ" (St. Paul came up with that BTW)? I am sure how you can imagine some Pagan god like say Apollo or Mars or something getting in there! In the RCC's eyes the More the Merrier - the More Converts the MORE POWER - it’s all the same to them! It’s all a Camouflage! Personally I could give a RATS A** if people want to Worship the Sun or a Sun God! Just don't say that you are something Specific when you are OBVIOUSLY NOT! Your Credibility goes down the drain!

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Masonic Light - what is your take on Catholic Pope Worship as a Symbol or Metaphor for Nimrod Worship (Nimrod was a King of Ninevah - Connected to Babylon? - Mesopotamia for sure right)?!

The Catholics consider the Pope to be not only the successor of Peter, but the "Vicar of Christ". This is possibly due to the influence of Mithraism on the early Church. It's interesting to note that this idea evolved only after the Bishop of Rome and Bishop of Constantinople excommunicated each other, with the Bishop of Rome taking charge of the western (Roman Catholic) Church, and bishop of Constantinople being the leader of the eastern (Orthodox) Church.

Sorry I've really got to have another go at my fav disinformer;
Masonic Lite, The explainations of Morals & Dogma by Albert Pike MATCH the rituals as written by McClenechan.

That's why I recommend reading BOTH of these works at the same time as McClenechan's "Book" focuses more on the physical elements and symbolism of the Rite while "Morals and Dogma" concentrates on the underlying philosophical aspects.
By reading the 2 books together you get a good 90% of what all the rituals are about (I doubt sitting in a chair wacked up on Benzos watching a quick run of the ritual will give you half of it...)

Maybe one day they will let you read it, then you won't have to sprout off the few scraps of mantra they push under your door to repeatedly punch into this forum.
I admit it's a big ask for "interested parties" to rummage through 1500 odd pages of Masonic text just to see that you have never read these books yourself, but hey why not try it out?
You may even learn something - thats why I made this book available to the public in the first place.

www.freemasonry101.org.uk...

[edit on 26-3-2005 by MrNECROS]

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Sorry I've really got to have another go at my fav disinformer;
Masonic Lite, The explainations of Morals & Dogma by Albert Pike MATCH the rituals as written by McClenechan.

That's why I recommend reading BOTH of these works at the same time as McClenechan's "Book" focuses more on the physical elements and symbolism of the Rite while "Morals and Dogma" concentrates on the underlying philosophical aspects.
By reading the 2 books together you get a good 90% of what all the rituals are about (I doubt sitting in a chair wacked up on Benzos watching a quick run of the ritual will give you half of it...)

Maybe one day they will let you read it, then you won't have to sprout off the few scraps of mantra they push under your door to repeatedly punch into this forum.
I admit it's a big ask for "interested parties" to rummage through 1500 odd pages of Masonic text just to see that you have never read these books yourself, but hey why not try it out?
You may even learn something - thats why I made this book available to the public in the first place.

www.freemasonry101.org.uk...

[edit on 26-3-2005 by MrNECROS]

It's always been available to the public. Stop tooting your own horn, fraud.

Show me anywhere other than my site where you can get it.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Show me anywhere other than my site where you can get it.

OK, let's try this again, kids:

The version you have is no longer available, as the ritual has changed SEVERAL times since then. Hence, that version is no longer available. BUT, until the ritual had changed, it was widely available. That can be attested to by the number of masons on this forum who claim they have a copy, and told you exactly where you could've gotten it in the past. They even told you who the publisher was!

Now can you please stop being such a troll!?!?

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Show me anywhere other than my site where you can get it.

Here's part of it that's been on the web for several years.

www.freedomdomain.com...

It's also available in reprint form for ANYONE to buy at Kessinger Publishing Company

dogbert.abebooks.com...

OR if you prefer an old copy here are a couple for starters....

dogbert.abebooks.com...

dogbert.abebooks.com...

dogbert.abebooks.com...

dogbert.abebooks.com...

dogbert.abebooks.com...

HMMMM!!!! That book's not quite as rare as Mrs Necros seems to think.

Hey Mrs Necros....DO NOT BE AFRAID TO GOOGLE ! ! ! ! Google is your friend.

Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Show me anywhere other than my site where you can get it.

Here's part of it that's been on the web for several years.

www.freedomdomain.com...

HMMMM!!!! That book's not quite as rare as Mrs Necros seems to think.

Hey Mrs Necros....DO NOT BE AFRAID TO GOOGLE ! ! ! ! Google is your friend.

Thanks homie.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Thanks homie.

I keep hoping that someday Mrs Necros will see that CTM's "Book of the AASR" is a good book. ...but not secret . . . not current . . . and not hard to find.

...maybe someday [sigh]

Originally posted by senrak
...maybe someday [sigh]

I wouldn't hold my breath...

Actually the snippet you posted was originally from Freemasonry Watch where I found out about the book.
How you think that 16 anotated pages from the whole book constitutes the whole thing only a Freemason could add that logic up.
Remember when Masonic Lite tried to BS that he owned the book by quoting part of this news post at the beginning of this thread?
And it seems only to be available on non Masonic sites.
There are no references to this book in any of the official sites other than the odd throw-away masonic line of "this is completely wrong."

Yes Kessinger are now listing it as available again, still can't find any copies of it around, maybe they are going to have to make it public now it's available on the web, same as they did with Morals and Dogma, but that would be blowing my own horn.

Dunno why I'm continuing with this thread for the moment, clearly none of you have read the posted material.
I admit asking anyone to read all 610 pages of Masonic rituals is a bit tough but then again you don't have to polute this thread with your nonsense if you haven't bothered to look at it and read the 24 pages on the 32nd Degree.
If you think you have another version of the 32nd Degree then by by all means post it, don't just stand there talking out your @rse.
If the best you can contribute is "no. its completely wrong...ha ha ha ha" then nobody can take what you say seriously except your own cult stooges.

Pass the Rohipnol please...

[edit on 27-3-2005 by MrNECROS]

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Actually the snippet you posted was originally from Freemasonry Watch where I found out about the book.
How you think that 16 anotated pages from the whole book constitutes the whole thing only a Freemason could add that logic up.
Remember when Masonic Lite tried to BS that he owned the book by quoting part of this news post at the beginning of this thread?
And it seems only to be available on non Masonic sites.
There are no references to this book in any of the official sites other than the odd throw-away masonic line of "this is completely wrong."

Yes Kessinger are now listing it as available again, still can't find any copies of it around, maybe they are going to have to make it public now it's available on the web, same as they did with Morals and Dogma, but that would be blowing my own horn.

Dunno why I'm continuing with this thread for the moment, clearly none of you have read the posted material.
I admit asking anyone to read all 610 pages of Masonic rituals is a bit tough but then again you don't have to polute this thread with your nonsense if you haven't bothered to look at it and read the 24 pages on the 32nd Degree.
If you think you have another version of the 32nd Degree then by by all means post it, don't just stand there talking out your @rse.
If the best you can contribute is "no. its completely wrong...ha ha ha ha" then nobody can take what you say seriously except your own cult stooges.

Pass the Rohipnol please...

[edit on 27-3-2005 by MrNECROS]

Necros, can you NOT READ? I posted SEVERAL sites from Advanced Book Exchange where you can buy AN ORIGINAL????? Are you THAT dense? No, you're not. You are a liar. You continuously LIE and say it can't be found. Check out Advanced Book Exchange and do a search. Use ANY other used book seller and do a search.

Do you DENY that I've told you repeatedly that I own THREE original authentic copies??????????? Do you want a picture of the three of them...with ME holding them?

C'mon. This thread is WORN OUT. You've got an old book. It's a good book. I REALLY like it... BUT . . . It's NOT rare. It's NOT impossible to find. It's NOT secret. It's....well...it's really no big deal. But then again, Mrs Necros you troll....you're really no big deal either. I hate to have to tell you that, but I believe in telling the truth. You're really no big deal.
Enjoy your book! ...and if you wear it out, do an Advanced Book Exchange search and buy another one before the Masons buy them all up so you trolls can't have them.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

...you pitiful troll.....











[edit on 27-3-2005 by senrak]

Great, its available now....maybe.
You can see from earlier in this thread it wasn't.
Kessinger did a one-off run of 1000 copies back in 2003, they were withdrawn from circulation, maybe they are putting them back out.
I generally don't quote people because it makes threads overly long but here's one from a guy called Senerak who reckons the whole thing is available online....ummmmmm...why yes it is...on my site.

Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by MrNECROS
I?ve now got someone saying that the whole of the Northern Jurisdiction in 1884 was so overrun with corruption that the rituals & monitors I?m posting are completely irrelevant.
[snip]
What is my objection to Freemasonry?
Personally I'm a bit miffed by being drugged senseless and having a bunch of neo-pagan loonies try to brainwash me into one of their own and then spending the last 3 years trying to silence/destroy me.

I never said that the NMJ was "so overrun with corruption that the rituals & monitors" are "completely irrelevant." What I said WAS the Rituals & Monitor you've posted are not CURRENT. Do you know what CURRENT means? They're not ACCURATE. COmpare them to the link I posted of the more recent 32nd Degree. The NMJ has CONSTANTLY REVISED their rituals to the extent that what they were doing in the late 19th Century bears little or no resemblance to what they are calling "Degrees" today. The SJ doesn't do this as much and many of their degrees are still quite similar to what they were in Pike's day, but even today there is a recently released set of SJ rituals entitled "Revised Standard Pike Rituals." ...so Pike's Monitors (called "Liturgy of the A&ASR") are NOT (NOT NOT NOT) current.

As to being drugged etc. You must not have joined real Freemasonry. Sounds like some of Aleister Crowley's off-the-wall whacko group. I'd sue if I were you.

Oh, and thank you for the time you spent scanning, cropping, straightening, folding, ironing and pasting CTM's "Book of the Ancient & Accepted Rite" It's been available as public domain on-line for several years. ...I guess someone should have told you.

I hope this post clears up my positition for you MrNecros, it's my last response to any of the rediculous things you post.

[edit on 27-3-2005 by MrNECROS]

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Great, its available now....maybe.

MAYBE? You really CAN'T read, can you? It's available on SEVERAL sites. What's so hard to see about that? Can you REALLY deny that?

You can see from earlier in this thread it wasn't.

No. I can't see anything from earlier in this thread except that you were (and ARE) lying. The book's been CONTINUALLY available. It was available 100+ years ago and it's available NOW. You've done NOTHING (except give me a good copy that I converted into pdf) (Thanks!)

Kessinger did a one-off run of 1000 copies back in 2003, they were withdrawn from circulation,

B.S! Kessinger will provide you with a copy right NOW!!!! Call Roger and ask him. He's in it to make $$$$$

maybe they are putting them back out.

Duh??? Ya' think????

I generally don't quote people because it makes threads overly long but here's one from a guy called Senerak who reckons the whole thing is available online

LIAR! I said it was part of it that had been available for a long time. The WHOLE THING IS available from used booksellers,though. Deny that!!!!!!!!!

....ummmmmm...why yes it is...on my site.

Again thanks! I converted it to PDF and am enjoying having the whole thing in electronic format!






[edit on 27-3-2005 by senrak]

Originally posted by senrak
No. I can't see anything from earlier in this thread except that you were (and ARE) lying. The book's been CONTINUALLY available. It was available 100+ years ago and it's available NOW. You've done NOTHING (except give me a good copy that I converted into pdf) (Thanks!)

MrNECROS is living in his own delirious world. He think that NOW it's being made available for purchase on the web because he exposed it!!! The cover has been blown, we might as well just sell it to everyone now! MrNECROS is out of his friggin' mind.

Senrak, I'm really sick of your continued "going for the man and not the ball antics" - the links have been published and the discussion launched on the ritual of the 32nd Degree etc...and yet 90% of this thread is nothing other than hogwash to ignore the fact that there is now a good representation of the 32nd Degree in the forum for discussion, you and your loony mates have all conceded that you will lie through your teeth to not give over the REAL secrets so why not just bugger off?

You have nothing to contribute to this thread other than disinformation by your own admisssions.

No one can trust what you say because you openly admit it is forbidden for you to reveal the secrets of Masonry.

The longer you stand here talking out your @rse, the MORE credibility you give to these claims.